Why does everyone hate Epic?

[JFizDaWiz]

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[The Real Jdbye]

Because they bribe devs to get exclusivity. Devs aren't making any money on EGS, they're surviving off the exclusivity deal.

 

[Julie_Pilgrim]

A lot of people are just attached to steam, as we've had it for years

 

[Sonic Angel Knight]

Hate? I don't even know them. Besides knowing they did fortnite, gears of war, and owner of unreal engine, that's all I know about them. I mean surely they aren't as bad as the stuff I hear about EA games (let's remember they used to be great once, this was during the good old days of sega megadrive) but I mean, I can't say I hate them. I never even played one of their games nor do I want to honestly.

 

[Jayro]

Steam was supposed to be the "end-all, be-all" of game distribution, and they've done really well over the years. I hate that game launchers are now becoming so fragmented. No, I don't want to install your shitty game launcher just to play the game I legally bought through Steam. **Stares in EA's uPlay**

This fragmentation is literally becoming the model it seeked to replace. Just like how Netflix destroyed the cable companies, now everyone and their mom's dog has a streaming solution, fragmenting channels again, just like cable. It makes zero sense to the consumer, and just ends up fucking US in the end.

 

[Tom Bombadildo]

Because they throw money at devs for exclusivity deals for their objectively worse storefront, "forcing" gamers to install yet another resource hogging client so they can enjoy their games, further fragmenting an already fragmented ecosystem (with Uplay and Origin and MS Store and GoG and Blizzard etc etc)

It's one thing when a AAA dev does it for their own games, it's shit but what are you gonna do? But it's another when a company is effectively holding games "hostage" to try and force their shitty services onto gamers instead of just, y'know, having a good service in the first place. I wouldn't mind Epic that much if their client wasn't just straight dogshit, but it is and they know the only way people will use it is if they throw cash at devs for free/exclusive games.

 

[Julie_Pilgrim]

I honestly don't get people comparing epic exclusives to console exclusives, with console exclusives if you wanna play them you need to spend $300, meanwhile with epic exclusives you have to click on a different icon in your taskbar

 

[Jayro]

Because they throw money at devs for exclusivity deals for their objectively worse storefront, "forcing" gamers to install yet another resource hogging client so they can enjoy their games, further fragmenting an already fragmented ecosystem (with Uplay and Origin and MS Store and GoG and Blizzard etc etc)

It's one thing when a AAA dev does it for their own games, it's shit but what are you gonna do? But it's another when a company is effectively holding games "hostage" to try and force their shitty services onto gamers instead of just, y'know, having a good service in the first place. I wouldn't mind Epic that much if their client wasn't just straight dogshit, but it is and they know the only way people will use it is if they throw cash at devs for free/exclusive games.

Exactly right.

 

[Kioku]

A lot of people are just attached to steam, as we've had it for years

No. It's deeper than this.

Epic, and Sweeney especially, are creating problems where there were none. Shelling out millions and even snaking games for exclusivity on their launcher. Taking aim at software giants under the guise "for the consumer" and breaking the rules, acting like they don't apply to them. The launcher is still a joke, a few years later. It runs stupidly slow.. Still missing basic functionalities, that are on the backburner until something catches fire.

They're not providing healthy competition for the gaming marketplace. They're a toxic company that doesn't care about you, they just want to make waves.

It's easy to say it's petty to hate Epic, but I'd rather use Origin almost exclusively than reinstall the EGS.

 

[Kwyjor]

Considering how much people love to hate on Steam these days for allowing so much shovelware, it seems to me that Epic is objectively better in that regard.

I wouldn't mind Epic that much if their client wasn't just straight dogshit

Forgetting about the storefront features for a moment (especially considering that's exactly what you get with any web browser), is the client really that much worse than Steam or UPlay or Origin?

Taking aim at software giants under the guise "for the consumer" and breaking the rules, acting like they don't apply to them.

I can't say I've been following the matter closely at all, but isn't is possible that Apple's rules actually are bad?

 

[Kioku]

I can't say I've been following the matter closely at all, but isn't is possible that Apple's rules actually are bad?

Did I at all imply they weren't?

It may have made the difference. There's a potential bill in the works would change mobile marketplaces and how they work. I sincerely doubt it wasn't for a selfish reason, though.

 

[Seliph]

I'm not a huge fan of their mistreatment of developers (specifically the people who work on Fortnite, I hear working conditions are awful). That whole debacle between Epic and Apple with the lawsuit a while ago really didn't help either.

Jim Sterling has made a great video on the subject of Epic Vs. Apple and their video about the Epic Store is pretty solid too (a bit dated tbh, but they still have some good points) if you want to check em out.

 

[Julie_Pilgrim]

I'm not a huge fan of their mistreatment of developers (specifically the people who work on Fortnite, I hear working conditions are awful). That whole debacle between Epic and Apple with the lawsuit a while ago really didn't help either.

Jim Sterling has made a great video on the subject of Epic Vs. Apple and their video about the Epic Store is pretty solid too if you want to check em out.

The real enemy in that situation was capitalism

 

[BigOnYa]

I like Epic. They give out a new game like every week!

 

[Seliph]

The real enemy in that situation was capitalism

Always has been.

 

[Julie_Pilgrim]

Always is!

Dammit, you had the perfect opportunity to make a "always has been" joke

 

[CeeDee]

They made Fortnite.

Fortnite.

How fucking dare they.

 

[Julie_Pilgrim]

They made Fortnite.

Fortnite.

How fucking dare they.

They also did a bunch of bad business practices apparently, but that doesn't matter because it pales in comparison to the sin of making a game that I don't like

 

[BigOnYa]

They also did a bunch of bad business practices apparently, but that doesn't matter because it pales in comparison to the sin of making a game that I don't like

True. Ubisoft is the worst...making crap like Scott Pilgrim Vs The World....lol

 

[Seliph]

They made Fortnite.

Fortnite.

How fucking dare they.

My friend's demon little brother sold his life to that game. At this point he's probably spent over 500 dollars on it and he's only 12. The game corrupted him.

Well... I guess he's always been a demon but he's especially demonic when he can't have his turn on the Switch to play Fortnite. Not something you want to deal with when you're trying to get in practice the night before a concert.

Jokes aside, it's really terrible what Epic's monetization strategy for Fortnite has done to people. It traps in people susceptible to addiction and absolutely destroys incomes. Of course, this is a problem with the game industry as a whole obviously and other games have been worse with lootboxes, but that certainley doesn't make Epic innocent.

Dammit, you had the perfect opportunity to make a "always has been" joke

What do you mean? It always said that. Always has been that, if you will.