USB-C non standard implementation

[ikynx]

Another deceptive disappointing nintendo practice.

https://www.removepaywall.com/searc...rty-docks-dont-work-authentication-encryption

 

[ut2k4master]

where is the "deceptive" part?

 

[ikynx]

where is the "deceptive" part?

read the article ffs.

 

[SecureBoot]

What's deceptive? Did Nintendo ever advertise functionality with third party docks? There are hundreds of non standard USB c implementations from dozens, if not hundreds of companies.

 

[RyanTheArchivist]

Another deceptive nintendo practice.

https://www.removepaywall.com/searc...rty-docks-dont-work-authentication-encryption

So what you're telling me.... it uses a more standard signal than the original Switch but still not completely normal lol.

 

[Lostbhoy]

read the article ffs.

Too long, Can't be arsed.... What's the problem?

 

[ut2k4master]

read the article ffs.

i did, thats why im asking you

 

[yankii]

Too long, Can't be arsed.... What's the problem?

Something along the lines of

 

[AmandaRose]

Too long, Can't be arsed.... What's the problem?

I read it and there isn't one and there is also fuck all deceptive about what Nintendo have actually done.

 

[Biduleman]

Another deceptive nintendo practice.

https://www.removepaywall.com/searc...rty-docks-dont-work-authentication-encryption

I'll advise you to open a dictionary and look up the word "deceive" and "deception"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deception
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deceive

The Switch 1's dock was already non-standard and Nintendo never, ever said that the Switch 2 dock would be different.
Then the Switch 2 was released, and the dock is non-standard. But never has Nintendo advertised the contrary.
So please, instead of telling people to read the article, maybe you can tell us how this actually is a deceptive tactic.

You could just have said "it sucks" instead of trying to stir up a controversy when there is none.

 

[RyanTheArchivist]

I'll advise you to open a dictionary and look up the word "deceive" and "deception"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deception
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/deceive

The Switch 1's dock was already non-standard and Nintendo never, ever said that the Switch 2 dock would be different.
Then the Switch 2 was released, and the dock is non-standard. But never has Nintendo advertised the contrary.
So please, instead of telling people to read the article, maybe you can tell us how this actually is a deceptive tactic.

You could just have said "it sucks" instead of trying to stir up a controversy when there is none.

If anything the Switch 2 is more standardized since they've actually properly implemented USB-PD this time.

 

[Ondrashek06]

Nintendo has always implemented proprietary standards, so this is not new. The Switch generation is much better about it because it can be charged with any USB-C charger, meanwhile previous Nintendo handhelds have always had some sort of proprietary charging port.

 

[sarkwalvein]

This isn't deceptive. To be honest there are some other things that I would consider deceptive, but not this.
Deceptive?

Well... making the 120Hz VRR HDR screen a big part of the marketing, and then releasing the console without any piece of software (save for some small segments of a $10 tech demo) that uses the 120Hz capability.

Also promoting the screen as "HDR", but then it has so little brightness and contrast that it doesn't really look HDR... I guess it can technically be barely classified as HDR, so this passes the lawyer test, but still fishy.

Or the situation with banning consoles that used MiG cards, how this affects the second hand market, and how they pretend it's alright. I would not be offended by the banning, if they at least make it obvious in some way, I don't know, show a big watermark stating "banned console" in the OS or something so that the idiot that is buying a second hand console realizes the problem immediately.

Also the fact that they promoted VRR through HDMI, but later backpedaled, it is somewhat deceptive. Sure there's more stuff I don't remember now (like not allowing you to turn on the console with a Switch 1 Pro Controller, that's a lame way to cry for you to spend money on a Switch 2 Pro Controller, at least they let you play with the Pro Controller 1 I guess), but they using some proprietary protocol for the dock is not one of them in my opinion.

 

[RyanTheArchivist]

This isn't deceptive. To be honest there are some other things that I would consider deceptive, but not this.
Deceptive?

Well... making the 120Hz VRR HDR screen a big part of the marketing, and then releasing the console without any piece of software (save for some small segments of a $10 tech demo) that uses the 120Hz capability.

Also promoting the screen as "HDR", but then it has so little brightness and contrast that it doesn't really look HDR... I guess it can technically be barely classified as HDR, so this passes the lawyer test, but still fishy.

Or the situation with banning consoles that used MiG cards, how this affects the second hand market, and how they pretend it's alright. I am would not be offended by the banning, if they at least make it obvious in some way, I don't know, show a big watermark stating "banned console" in the OS or something so that the idiot that is buying a second hand console realizes the problem immediately.

Also the fact that they promoted VRR through HDMI, but later backpedaled, it is somewhat deceptive. Sure there's more stuff I don't remember now (like not allowing you to turn on the console with a Switch 1 Pro Controller, that's a lame way to cry for you to spend money on a Switch 2 Pro Controller, at least they let you play with the Pro Controller 1 I guess), but they using some proprietary protocol for the dock is not one of them in my opinion.

They never once straight up advertised VRR in docked. It was visible on specifically the NOA site for like 6 hours before it was removed. I'd say that was more likely a mistake.

 

[CMDreamer]

Another deceptive nintendo practice.

https://www.removepaywall.com/searc...rty-docks-dont-work-authentication-encryption

Speaking of deceptive practices, is that "Sunny of a Beach" following standards on ALL their products?

The PS Vita used stupidly overpriced non standard storage cards, as well as a stupidly overpriced non standard charging connector and cable. That "Sunny of Greed".

Don't know about other consoles from them because I didn't cared about them at all.

It seem that lately, people are on a whinning spree.

 

[The Real Jdbye]

Non standard, sure. I don't think anybody is surprised by that as the same was the case for the Switch. But for it to be considered deceptive they would have had to imply otherwise, which they never have to my knowledge.

Also promoting the screen as "HDR", but then it has so little brightness and contrast that it doesn't really look HDR... I guess it can technically be barely classified as HDR, so this passes the lawyer test, but still fishy.

That is sadly the norm, and is why VESA came up with the DisplayHDR certifications.

TVs for the most part offer decent, if not perfect HDR, especially considering the relatively low cost of TVs with local dimming. But if you look closely at the specs of computer monitors, you'll be hard pressed to find one that offers anywhere near 1000 nits peak brightness without paying $1000+ for it. Making a small screen that offers high peak brightness and contrast ratio (in other words a true HDR experience) seems to be more difficult/expensive than a large screen, at least it's much harder to find a smaller screen with equivalent contrast/brightness as a larger screen. OLED of course is a whole other can of worms since it trades peak brightness for perfect blacks and contrast.

The integrated screen is not very bright, I will agree. But the colors look very good. At least for an LCD. So for indoor use, I can't complain. For outdoor use in bright sunlight, it's probably near unusable.

 

[ikynx]

Mea culpa for the wrong choice of words. I was tired and got mixed up in my choice of words. I meant "disappointing".

Still, I am getting tired of standards being implemented in a shitty proprietary fashion, not to provide some extra clever feature, but merely to lock users in. Is Nintendo the only tech giant doing it? no. Is it the first time they are doing this kind of thing? no. Whataboutism is never an excuse.

@ut2k4master my apologies

@CMDreamer
People are at last getting a little more made aware / educated about existence of standards, interoperability, (somewhat better) enforced thanks to EU regulations, and people are just getting sick of capitalistic BS.

Louis Rossmann puts it nicely:

It is amazing how many people will defend the multi-billion dollar company that screws them, and attack the person who points it out.

 

[SecureBoot]

No one here is defending Nintendo. This just isn't a big deal compared to a bunch of other stuff

And Rossman is a narcissistic tool. He's made some good progress towards right to repair, but I wish there was a spokesman with a smaller ego

 

[Kioku]

No one here is defending Nintendo. This just isn't a big deal compared to a bunch of other stuff

And Rossman is a narcissistic tool. He's made some good progress towards right to repair, but I wish there was a spokesman with a smaller ego

In this case, his ego is why it got to where it is. It takes an inflated ego to fight inflated egos.

 

[SecureBoot]

In this case, his ego is why it got to where it is. It takes an inflated ego to fight inflated egos.

You may be right. Still makes me kinda grumpy though. Taking the same attitude as the inflated egos doesn't make me trust you any more lol