Ubisoft to EA: Y u so mad?

[Ethevion]

Ubisoft has just increased my faith (surprisingly) in the gaming industry.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

Did I literally just read that Nintendo fans scientifically develop at a slower rate than others?

Like I'm certainly not on the Nintendo camp but holy fuck I'm not saying they have like autism or something.

You mean the kickass Zelda who helps slay Ganon? And just because a spiked turtle 3 times your size captures you, that doesn't mean you're "helpless". Pretty sure you couldn't take on Bowser.

Also, Samus anyone?

Zelda also literally became a puppet by Ganon(dorf) in Twilight Princess and she's usually helpless as fuck.

I'd say Samus... then they wrote Other M and basically ruined any chances of me thinking they were trying for a genuinely strong female protagonist in Samus. Don't say "That was Team Ninja" because it was written by Nintendo.

 

[JoostinOnline]

Zelda also literally became a puppet by Ganon(dorf) in Twilight Princess and she's usually helpless as fuck.

Meh, just because she's not always successful against someone with overwhelming power doesn't make her helpless. Even if it did, she would still be stronger than everyone (except Link) in all of Hyrule, since she has some success.

I'd say Samus... then they wrote Other M and basically ruined any chances of me thinking they were trying for a genuinely strong female protagonist in Samus. Don't say "That was Team Ninja" because it was written by Nintendo.

I know you're probably going to dismiss this as a "fanboy's justification", but I didn't find anything wrong with Samus's attitude Other M. It added a "human element" to her. It made perfect sense that she would be terrified at points (you can't tell me you wouldn't be sh*ting your pants), but that never stopped her. The whole point is that she OVERCAME her fear.

It made perfect sense that she would be especially scared of Ridley. I'm sure most people haven't read the manga (it's the only manga I've ever read), but it adds a lot of explanation to her reaction. Ridely killed her parents when she was a little girl. That's why it kept showing her as a child, it was PTSD. She finally thought she was safe from him, and he comes back to kill her. She'd have to be an emotionless drone not to be terrified. It's how I always image heroes, male or female, reacting to such things.

That being said, Nintendo was largely to blame. They expected you to know the back story of a Japanese comic, instead of explaining it in the game.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

Meh, just because she's not always successful against someone with overwhelming power doesn't make her helpless. Even if it did, she would still be stronger than everyone (except Link) in all of Hyrule, since she has some success.

I know you're probably going to dismiss this as a "fanboy's justification", but I didn't find anything wrong with Samus's attitude Other M. It added a "human element" to her. It made perfect sense that she would be terrified at points (you can't tell me you wouldn't be sh*ting your pants), but that never stopped her. The whole point is that she OVERCAME her fear.

It made perfect sense that she would be especially scared of Ridley. I'm sure most people haven't read the manga (it's the only manga I've ever read), but it adds a lot of explanation to her reaction. Ridely killed her parents when she was a little girl. That's why it kept showing her as a child, it was PTSD. She finally thought she was safe from him, and he comes back to kill her. She'd have to be an emotionless drone not to be terrified. It's how I always image heroes, male or female, reacting to such things.

That being said, Nintendo was largely to blame. They expected you to know the back story of a Japanese comic, instead of explaining it in the game.

For Zelda, it's just that in almost EVERY Zelda game she's captured by Ganondorf or something of the sort. Yeah she may be part of what defeats Ganondorf but it's easy to see her as a tool not as badass independent chick who does it on her own.

It makes no sense of her to be scared of Ridley when she fights him in MULTIPLE GAMES BEFORE OTHER M with absolutely zero fucks given. There's also a very clear, abusive sort of relationship between Adam and Samus. Adam does nothing but shits on her but she's always just falling for him and bending over backwards. She literally walks through fire for him because he didn't authorize part of her suit. Not even a hazardous part of her suit (admittedly the justification for depowering most of her suit was kinda shitty but believable enough, the whole "some parts are dangerous they may hurt the other marines"), it literally just makes sure she can survive extreme temperatures.

And the fact is that in tons of other games with the same situation but a male protagonist, they give zero fucks and just be brave. Hell even in Other M she needs a big, strong, glorious man to save her fragile and obviously feeble female form. Like even if it is "characterizing" her it makes her character an incredible example of patriarchy. Men are strong, women are weak. Combine that with the character she was already presented subtly through her past games (a strong, independent female bounty hunter who is a lone wolf) and it's character assassination.

 

[JoostinOnline]

No, she's not a badass (except for in OoT). But she's not helpless either, and it has nothing to do with her being a woman. With the exception of Link, every man, woman, and child fell to Ganon in an instant. She only ends up surrendering because he essentially holds all of Hyrule ransom. Your argument is basically, "She didn't let everyone die, she must be helpless."

It makes no sense of her to be scared of Ridley when she fights him in MULTIPLE GAMES BEFORE OTHER M with absolutely zero fucks given.

See, that's the point people are missing. Up until MM, you never knew what her reaction was. It's logical that she would be terrified of him, and that she would suffer from PTSD. Did you think she was emotionless? That would make her a psychopath, not a hero.

 

[Hero-Link]

It makes no sense of her to be scared of Ridley when she fights him in MULTIPLE GAMES BEFORE OTHER M with absolutely zero fucks given.

you mean 2 times, right? Other M happens between Super Metroid and Metroid Fusion.

She only fought against Ridley in the Original Metroid and in Super Metroid at that time.

Also, she snapped, it wasn't just "OH NOES, PLZ HALP", although we saw her there in the floor like a sissy, her mind was elsewhere until the other marine came and "slapped" her out of it.

Although I did hate that part, the gameplay and overall story was nice and all.


Also when the hell did this turn into a Zelda/Metroid talk? HEY UBISOFT, TEACH THAT EA SOME MANNERS, WILL YA? hehehe

The Wii U launch is looking to be another 3DS mojo-jojo. Now if it will recover... we have to wait and see, but third parties aren't helping that's a fact.

 

[EzekielRage]

Also: The Prime games are NOT canon. So basically she fought him TWICE and only killed him ONCE. Sakamoto stated as much. And as badly written MOM was (and it is a badly written, misogynistic crapfest of a story) Sakamoto at least tried to tighten the Series up.

 

[JoostinOnline]

Also: The Prime games are NOT canon. So basically she fought him TWICE and only killed him ONCE. Sakamoto stated as much. And as badly written MOM was (and it is a badly written, misogynistic crapfest of a story) Sakamoto at least tried to tighten the Series up.

Uh...yes they are. They are created by Nintendo.

But like I said, the point is she overcame her (logical) fear. That's far more than you could expect from any average person.

 

[Chiejina]

What will get people buying wii u?

Super smash brothers
Mario Kart
omg new Megaman legend. Maybe they're porting the 3ds game they didn't release to the wii u. ! CONSPIRACY. I can only wish.

Oh and metroid. Brand new, not other M crap.

 

[chartube12]

Plus Other M was meant as a prequel to the whole metroid series. And the prime series is canon, it ends with her leaving for the mission in fusion's prolong. Why is so hard it for the video game fandom to understand character development. Not all heroes start off as brave as hell badasses. They all have to start somewhere.

 

[EzekielRage]

Uh...yes they are. They are created by Nintendo.

But like I said, the point is she overcame her (logical) fear. That's far more than you could expect from any average person.

no they are not, they are created by retro and sakamoto and nintendo stated on many occasions that the prime games are NOT canon but their own series. Much like the ultimate marvel universe is not canon to the classic marvel universe.

Official nintendo press release back when MOM was released:
http://gonintendo.com/?p=134762

 

[Eerpow]

I really want to like Ubisoft, they make lovely games. It's just their treatment of paying customers I really couldn't care less for.

And to add to that statement, they don't treat their devteams that nicely either.

 

[Gahars]

Plus Other M was meant as a prequel to the whole metroid series.

No, it's not. It's a direct followup to Super Metroid - Hell, the first cutscene recaps the ending of that game. In fact, the game is second to last in terms of continuity, just behind the events of Fusion.

See, that's the point people are missing. Up until MM, you never knew what her reaction was. It's logical that she would be terrified of him, and that she would suffer from PTSD. Did you think she was emotionless? That would make her a psychopath, not a hero.

Except there is no reaction. Samus doesn't freeze. Samus doesn't revert to a scared, helpless little girl (also, what the fuck was up with that?). You can't just make up a reaction and say that's how it has always been when, no, it isn't. She's fought Ridley three times up to this point (Metroid, Mecha-Ridley if we're counting Zero Mission, and Super Metroid) - NOW she is psychologically unable to handle his presence? That's not character development - that's just an asspull.

Also, there's a difference between having emotions and being an emotional, codependent wreck of a human being.

The real shame of the scene is, if you wanted to write Samus losing her cool over Ridley, you could totally do that without shitting on her character. Easily. How about instead of her suddenly developing PTSD, have her get angry and frustrated at having to kill this bastard again. She loses her cool and messes up, allowing Ridley to gain the upper hand before help arrives. That fits the bill of a hardened, lone bounty hunter much better, and allows her to display an emotional core without robbing her of her agency.

 

[EzekielRage]

Well the main problem with Metroid are the Prime games. Don't get me wrong, I LOVE the prime games to death, but they gave us a picture of samus that was nothing like the other games.
Samus inner monologue started with super metroid. read the intro. most of it fits perfectly with the samus from other M and not so much with the prime one. same for fusion. the prime games showed us this badass woman that never existed. we made her badass in our heads and the prime games solidified that and when other M came along this picture was ruined.

as said, other M is horribly written but metroid was never well written to begin with. Metroid 1 was alien, basically, Metroid 2 was aliens and super metroid was just metroid 1 again. we filled in the blanks ourselfs. not to say that this is our fault, it isnt, its clearly sakamotos fault. just saying that prime is so much more better they should just continue that series and let the classic series die.

i still hope for a wii u spinoff from retro: GF Marines - a game about the badass prime 2 and 3 galactic federation troopers. the game could start or end with the invasion of the pirate homeworld and build a story around that^^

 

[JoostinOnline]

no they are not, they are created by retro and sakamoto and nintendo stated on many occasions that the prime games are NOT canon but their own series. Much like the ultimate marvel universe is not canon to the classic marvel universe.

Official nintendo press release back when MOM was released:
http://gonintendo.com/?p=134762

There is nothing in there about it not being canon. Being its own series (i.e. not directly connected to the other games) is not the same thing as being non-canon (i.e. fan made). Anything licensed by Nintendo is canon.

Except there is no reaction. Samus doesn't freeze. Samus doesn't revert to a scared, helpless little girl (also, what the fuck was up with that?).

I think you missed my previous post (read the second to last paragraph if you don't want to read it all) where I explained that. Nintendo is stupid for assuming everyone would understand it though. Most people didn't get that it was her remembering Ridley murdering her parents when she was a little girl.

 

[Gahars]

I think you missed my previous post (read the second to last paragraph if you don't want to read it all) where I explained that. Nintendo is stupid for assuming everyone would understand it though. Most people didn't get that it was her remembering Ridley murdering her parents when she was a little girl.

I already knew the backstory going into the game and it's a bunk explanation. The manga introduced the idea, sure, but there's a key difference - that's set during her first encounter with Ridley, not the 3rd (or however many if we count the Prime series in, too - seriously, she probably passes Ridley every time she goes shopping for groceries). Plus, in the manga adaptation, she overcomes her fears on her own to triumph and win the day - in Other M, she is reduced to a cowering wreck, completely unable to function until a man shows up to set her straight (I'm not normally one to go picking for stuff like that, but considering the buttload of issues with Other M's portrayal of Samus... it sticks out).

No one's saying a character can't have fear or can't have emotion - but it has to make sense with the character. It wouldn't make sense if, upon seeing yet another Metal Gear, Solid Snake started shitting his pants uncontrollably out of fear. It wouldn't add to the character - it just contradicts it.

That does sound like something Kojima would do, though...

 

[JoostinOnline]

I think they went overboard on the emotion, but I get what they were trying to do and it made sense to me. We never got to see her emotions in the other games because it switched straight to the boss battle.

Anyway, we are so far off topic it's unrecognizable. We've turned from a thread on Ubisoft to female characters in Nintendo games.

 

[Eerpow]

Drop the Metroid talk, we've already been there at least 5 times this year alone.

About EA, it seems like MS is giving them a good deal, probably yet another reason they're currently not developing for the WiiU besides the bad sales of the system. It's EA trying to do good business, their plans for the year are not affected by sour relationships because of no Origins or whatever.

 

[Fishaman P]

If you honestly believe Nintendo is in serious trouble, the WiiU will fail and Nintendo will go software only, slap yourself in the face with a fish dick

ShadowSoldier, keeping it classy on the front page as always.

 

[DSGamer64]

And what if Ubisoft said "We're not developing for the WiiU"?
"So? Assassin's Creed III sucked on the WiiU, and Rayman is a worse platformer than Mario." - Nintendo fans

THIS thread is a clear example of doublethinking (See George Orwell's 1984). What makes Ubisoft more improtant than EA, software-centric or financially? I would argue it's the other way around, yet Nintendo fans are so quick to dismiss EA as worthless for the WiiU.

Actually, I disagree. Assassins Creed 3 was actually a pretty decent port, considering the time frame the team had to work with in getting it out in time for console launch. And Rayman is honestly at this frame in time, a very good rival when it comes to the platformer market, though as a franchise it's still under appreciated despite it's age.

Oh, and Ubisoft has the moral high ground because they realized that people hated them forcing DRM upon consumers, while EA continues to try and justify that shit like Sim City Always Online DRM is a good idea, or that people want Origin both on their PC as well as having it forced integration into consoles. They figure just because they have a large number of registered Origin accounts, that people actually want to use it, but they like the games so much they have no choice because EA doesn't give them an alternative, while Ubisoft who have their U Play service, still offer other means of buying their games digitally while EA does not.

You know what though, I am still pissed off at Ubisoft for delaying Rayman Legends by making it multiplatform, but I am not pissed off at them because they are continuing to support the Wii U while other devs are being douche bags.