The situation in Ukraine...

[JoeBloggs777]

and the penny drops for the Putin fans

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

..oh so by your logic, the ROC agreement are not valid , .. than that would state any USSR agreement are also void. Cool so the make believe NATO expansion agreement is not* valid also as 1990 was with USSR

Strawman. I do not decide the government of China, the Chinese do. I do not view contracts between your mother and the Taliban as invalid. What is the point of that? Turkey could be kicked out of NATO. So what? In principle, Russia, Sryia, China etc create their own version of NATO, which wouldn´t make the world safer. Do you disagree??

EDIT*** also it looks like your making up shit so you don't look foolish as PROC as created on 1949 and the Sino-Soviet Treaty was signed on 1950 with Stalin and Mao
SEE BELOW

Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship, Alliance and Mutual Assistance​

Sorry I didnt not catch that at the Start.. I should know better then take Sino-Soviet points at face value

THERE WAS A TREATY OF 1945 and one of 1949.

https://military-history.fandom.com... Soviet Socialist Republics at 14 August 1945.
"

Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship and Alliance Not to be confused with Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship, Alliance and Mutual Assistance."

your quote:
"it was called Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship
and it blow up in their faces"

 

[djpannda]

Strawman. I do not decide the government of China, the Chinese do. I do not view contracts between your mother and the Taliban as invalid. What is the point of that? Turkey could be kicked out of NATO. So what? In principle, Russia, Sryia, China etc create their own version of NATO, which wouldn´t make the world safer. Do you disagree??

THERE WAS A TREATY OF 1945 and one of 1949.

https://military-history.fandom.com... Soviet Socialist Republics at 14 August 1945.
"

Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship and Alliance Not to be confused with Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship, Alliance and Mutual Assistance."

your quote:
"it was called Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship
and it blow up in their faces"

… lol you sweating and reaching for that straw

 

[djpannda]

Strawman. I do not decide the government of China, the Chinese do. I do not view contracts between your mother and the Taliban as invalid. What is the point of that? Turkey could be kicked out of NATO. So what? In principle, Russia, Sryia, China etc create their own version of NATO, which wouldn´t make the world safer. Do you disagree??

THERE WAS A TREATY OF 1945 and one of 1949.

https://military-history.fandom.com... Soviet Socialist Republics at 14 August 1945.
"

Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship and Alliance Not to be confused with Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship, Alliance and Mutual Assistance."

your quote:
"it was called Sino-Soviet Treaty of Friendship
and it blow up in their faces"

But the Treaty although similarly name are two different ideals and Purposes.
1945 was about China having protection andguarantees from the Soviets against Japan and to cement borders between them and Mongolia
1950. Was about communist countries banding together to stop capitalism from What they believed was western capitalism expansion
Mostly similar names but they are not the same and in fact the ROC considered it Soviet Betryal to acknowledge the CCP during the Chinese Civil War

so the CCP and Soviets use similar name to white wash their betrayal

 

[KuntilanakMerah]

NATO = No Action Talk Only

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

so the CCP and Soviets use similar name to white wash their betrayal

So what? I am neither a CPC member nor Soviet representative.
Do you think an anti-American alliance (e.g. Russia, China, Iran) with a three-musketeers credo would make the world a safer place or increase the danger of nuclear war?

The Chinese (or e.g. the Indians) do not enter an alliance like that because they have wisdom. The West is led by fanatics.

 

[Dark_Phoras]

I'm confident that Finland and Sweden are safer in NATO. After all, Russia invaded the non-NATO countries Ukraine and Georgia, but didn't dare touch NATO countries.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

I'm confident that Finland and Sweden are safer in NATO. After all, Russia invaded the non-NATO countries Ukraine and Georgia, but didn't dare touch NATO countries.

Ukraine and Georgia would not have been attacked if there had not been Western interference. Finland and Sweden would be safer in NATO but the world would be less safe.
Cuba would be safer with Russian missiles pointing at Washington but you and I would not be.

 

[Dark_Phoras]

Ukraine and Georgia would not have been attacked if there had not been Western interference.

That's like when domestic violence abusers say the victims are to blame because they didn't subjugate to their every whim.

 

[djpannda]

Finland and Sweden would be safer in NATO but the world would be less safe.

Translation: Russia is mad that Neighboring countries aren't listening to them and that they don't want to Join the New RUSSIA USSR willingly like colonel Lukashenka's Belarus
RUSSIA ::: if you don't follow me I will Nuke/Invade you ( to literally most of the countries surrounding them)

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

In a perfect world Russia would sing Kumbaya with its neighbors.

That´s not how large powers behave in the real world. The difference is: USA attacks countries all over the world, Russia only in its region.

The USA thinks it can tell the Solomon Islands what to do regarding alliances. I have yet to hear a counter argument.

 

[djpannda]

In a perfect world Russia would sing Kumbaya with its neighbors.

That´s not how large powers behave in the real world. The difference is: USA attacks countries all over the world, Russia only in its region.

The USA thinks it can tell the Solomon Islands what to do regarding alliances. I have yet to hear a counter argument.

when
1. you tag me or reply to my message so I get notified that you were speaking to me
2. When the Thread is Titled " American imperialism " We can start speaking about it ( as It personally affects me as a victim of American imperialism)

Til them This Spefic thread is about the War Crime/ Special Military Operation ( whatever your Government allows) that Russia is committing and the Ramification of those actions.
NOT your whataboutisms.

 

[Coto]

My respects to Finland and Sweden:

You've taken the right path.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

when
1. you tag me or reply to my message so I get notified that you were speaking to me
2. When the Thread is Titled " American imperialism " We can start speaking about it ( as It personally affects me as a victim of American imperialism)

Til them This Spefic thread is about the War Crime/ Special Military Operation ( whatever your Government allows) that Russia is committing and the Ramification of those actions.
NOT your whataboutisms.

Whataboutism is not an argument. It is the admission of not having an argument.

I have stated that the Russian response has not been anything special or unforeseen. Any big power would behave in this way if it is pushed. Cuba 62 and the recent threat against the Solomon Islands are evidence you do not want to discuss.

I appreciate that we agree. Be a man and say it.

 

[djpannda]

Whataboutism is not an argument. It is the admission of not having an argument.

I have stated that the Russian response has not been anything special or unforeseen. Any big power would behave in this way if it is pushed. Cuba 62 and the recent threat against the Solomon Islands are evidence you do not want to discuss.

I appreciate that we agree. Be a man and say it.

so your response to me pointing out your whataboutisms is MORE whataboutisms?.. COOL

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

so your response to me pointing out your whataboutisms is MORE whataboutisms?.. COOL

Alright, Susi.
I might remember it incorrectly, but I wonder if you would write a comment or like a comment which states that Russia should not talk about the Neo Nazis in Ukraine because they have their own Neo Nazis.
Now isn´t that whataboutism?

 

[djpannda]

Alright, Susi.
I might remember it incorrectly, but I wonder if you would write a comment or like a comment which states that Russia should not talk about the Neo Nazis in Ukraine because they have their own Neo Nazis.
Now isn´t that whataboutism?

I really don't think you understand whataboutism is ?

...Pointing out the make up Reason that Russia is Committing war Crimes in Ukraine (nazis) is actually an issue Russia has internally MULTIPLE times greater is not whataboutism.... is pointing out the Flimsy excuse for Ukrainian Land Grab..

BUTT...Comparing USA imperialism as an excuse to justify Russian Current Crimes is whataboutism

but hey I understand thats all you got to defend Russia indefensible atrocities

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

I really don't think you understand whataboutism is ?

...Pointing out the make up Reason that Russia is Committing war Crimes in Ukraine (nazis) is actually an issue Russia has internally MULTIPLE times greater is not whataboutism.... is pointing out the Flimsy excuse for Ukrainian Land Grab..

BUTT...Comparing USA imperialism as an excuse to justify Russian Current Crimes is whataboutism

but hey I understand thats all you got to defend Russia indefensible atrocities

It is exactly the same.
If sb mentions Ukrainian Nazis and you point to Russian Nazis, you zoom out of Ukraine to point to Russia. Just as I zoom out and point out to show the big picture.

I have never defended atrocities. Strawman.
I said it has been completely predictable. Your mother should not hit you (it is even illegal), but if you call her a whore, she will. And if you would have done the same in her position (which I have proven with Cuba 62 and the Solomon Islands), you have no leg to stand on when criticizing her.

 

[djpannda]

It is exactly the same.
If sb mentions Ukrainian Nazis and you point to Russian Nazis, you zoom out of Ukraine to point to Russia. Just as I zoom out and point out to show the big picture.

I have never defended atrocities. Strawman.
I said it has been completely predictable. Your mother should not hit you (it is even illegal), but if you call her a whore, she will. And if you would have done the same in her position (which I have proven with Cuba 62 and the Solomon Islands), you have no leg to stand on when criticizing her.

So more whataboutisms… to justify Russian atrocities…

 

[KingVamp]

If anything, Putin would have attack more places while continuing to give flimsy excuses, if not for NATO.