The Pirate Support Thread

[DCG]

(and I'm out of here, thanks to BAF/brein/RIAA/Buma Stemra/whatever employee xxNathanxx, there just isn't one way to reason with you)

The music I listen is mostley from amateurs who don't charge money for their hobby so am I pirating those too????

 

[Just Another Gamer]

But I am right. Are you an artist? No. You're a pirate. The message you think you are sending isn't the message the artist receives. You seem to think these are one and the same, but they're not.


Hey man thanks for the ad hominem, makes your point extremely valid.

People (I assume you mean virtually the entire world population) make piracy out to be evil? Most people don't even have a clear opinion on piracy. Simply because you change the word used to define the act of copying someone's content without paying for it doesn't mean it will be seen as less 'evil' by those who already make it out to be evil, and won't change the opinions of those who have yet to think about it either.


Whoa man, another ad hominem, thanks a bunch! So far the only 'rational' argument I've heard for piracy from you (and everyone else in this thread) is: "I want to play games but I don't want to spend my money on them."

Wow, its like you clearly ignored what everyone else is saying and stubbornly stand on your high horse.

And not spending n absurd amounts of money for a hobby is wrong now? Maybe you haven't noticed but not everyone here is a multimillionaire who can buy anything they want when they want it and by your logic they're suppose to miss out because the retailers and rich billion dollar companies want to put a high price on their products?

 

[JulietStMoon]

But I am right. Are you an artist? No. You're a pirate. The message you think you are sending isn't the message the artist receives. You seem to think these are one and the same, but they're not.

Except you AREN'T right. Anyway, I don't pirate anymore, did you even read the OP? Or did you just see "piracy" in the thread's title, and go "ZOMG TIME TO RIGHTEOUSLY ATTACK THE EVIL MOFOS???"

So far the only 'rational' argument I've heard for piracy from you (and everyone else in this thread) is: "I want to play games but I don't want to spend my money on them."

Except that's not the only argument. Most of them boiled down to "I can't afford them." Again, not saying I agree. but there's definitely more than one argument being given here, and you just refuse to take off the "I'mma better than all y'all" lenses and consider people's situations. Do you owe it to them to not say that you think what they're doing is wrong? Of course not. But you can't just charge in here and insult a bunch of people over the blanket term pirate applying to them.

Btw, found it!

http://lightmare-studio.com/the-piracy-fallacy/

 

[xxNathanxx]

Isn't that what piracy is? and is the point of this thread?

My point is that all of you somehow feel entitled to own those games without paying for them. How is that, in any way, morally acceptable?

(and I'm out of here, thanks to BAF/brein/RIAA/Buma Stemra/whatever employee xxNathanxx, there just isn't one way to reason with you)

The music I listen is mostley from amateurs who don't charge money for their hobby so am I pirating those too????

More ad hominem. Hurray!

If those people give out their music for free, that's fine! When did I ever say it is piracy when you get the music that those people released for free, for free?

EDIT: lol, telling you're 'out of here', but still staying in the thread, classic.

Wow, its like you clearly ignored what everyone else is saying and stubbornly stand on your high horse.

And not spending n absurd amounts of money for a hobby is wrong now? Maybe you haven't noticed but not everyone here is a multimillionaire who can buy anything they want when they want it and by your logic they're suppose to miss out because the retailers and rich billion dollar companies want to put a high price on their products?

The thing is, a year later, you can find the things that cost, let's say, €50 on release day, for €5 at a garage sale, in perfect condition. Why do you feel entitled not only to owning products without having paid for them, but owning them ASAP, often even sooner than people who paid their hard-earned money for those products?

Except you AREN'T right. Anyway, I don't pirate anymore, did you even read the OP? Or did you just see "piracy" in the thread's title, and go "ZOMG TIME TO RIGHTEOUSLY ATTACK THE EVIL MOFOS???"


Except that's not the only argument. Most of them boiled down to "I can't afford them." Again, not saying I agree. but there's definitely more than one argument being given here, and you just refuse to take off the "I'mma better than all y'all" lenses and consider people's situations. Do you owe it to them to not say that you think what they're doing is wrong? Of course not. But you can't just charge in here and insult a bunch of people over the blanket term pirate applying to them.

And I am wrong because? Do you have any clue how this works?

Should you be able to get a free sports car just because you want one but can't afford one? Should you be able to get free music tuition just because you would like to learn how to play the piano but can't afford the lessons? Why should people be able to get free games just because they want them but can't afford them?

All this said I am eagerly awaiting the arrival of Megabox to see how it will turn the piracy game upside down.

 

[Just Another Gamer]

My point is that all of you somehow feel entitled to own those games without paying for them. How is that, in any way, morally acceptable?

Well atleast I guess this argument i going somewhere and honestly morall acceptable is subjective I mean what is wrong to you might be neutral to me.

The thing is, a year later, you can find the things that cost, let's say, €50 on release day, for €5 at a garage sale, in perfect condition. Why do you feel entitled not only to owning products without having paid for them, but owning them ASAP, often even sooner than people who paid their hard-earned money for those products?


And I am wrong because? Do you have any clue how this works?

Should you be able to get a free sports car just because you want one but can't afford one? Should you be able to get free music tuition just because you would like to learn how to play the piano but can't afford the lessons? Why should people be able to get free games just because they want them but can't afford them?

So what I have to wait a year just because someone can't step off their high horse? Yea i'll pass on that. Also what about all those ridiculous DRM and stuff hm? Like FF3 on Android which requires you to be online to be play a single player game. Cause there is alot of incentive there for me to not pirate something that has such a ridiculous system in place.

You can't download a sports car or free music tuition so none of your examples even make sense in the first place.

 

[JulietStMoon]

And I am wrong because? Do you have any clue how this works?

You're the one who made the original claim, so the burden of proof rests on you. You can't just make a claim with no proof, and then when someone challenges you, say "prove me wrong." That's not how it works. Because YOU made the initial claim, it's up to YOU to defend why you're right before other people defend why they think you're wrong.

Should you be able to get a free sports car just because you want one but can't afford one? Should you be able to get free music tuition just because you would like to learn how to play the piano but can't afford the lessons? Why should people be able to get free games just because they want them but can't afford them?

Why do you continue preaching to the choir? I already said I think that piracy is morally wrong. My problem is that you continue to generalize all pirates as "not paying because they don't want to/are too lazy to," and continue to ignore the fact that many of them have given reasons BESIDES flat-out not wanting to pay (such as a flat-out inability to afford games). Does that make piracy right? Still no, in my opinion. But you refuse to acknowledge that not all pirates are just selfish and lazy, and instead some simply can't even pay the developers of these games even if they wanted to.

And since you're just making a copy of a game, not truly stealing it (like the sports car you mention), there's really not much of a comparison between actual theft and piracy. Theft not only prevents a profit from the seller, but actually STEALS something of value from them. When you pirate a game, you're not walking into GameStop and stealing a physical copy from them, which they can never sell again. You're making an unlicensed copy without affecting the "stock" of the digital product. Like I said for the billionth time, I think it's still wrong. But my point is there's so many holes in your view of this that it's not even funny.

PS: Heck, there's 6 votes in the poll that say they would LIKE to stop pirating, at least.

 

[nryn99]

My point is that all of you somehow feel entitled to own those games without paying for them. How is that, in any way, morally acceptable?

ALL of us? lol.
I just pirate because I can't pay. Maybe I shouldn't but I can so I will. Unless something can stop me.
For example, if i would steal from a store I would get caught and have a record.

Though with piracy, It's not like if I stole a Washing Machine from a department store they'd be 1 washing machine short to sell. there's just a bit of difference. Those who would buy, could still buy. While me who couldn't buy, can still play without really doing real damage.
Though there are also those who would pirate even they have the money.

 

[Eerpow]

But you aren't studying full-time, you're playing games.

I'm not saying you should get a job during the week, that's ridiculous. A Saturday job where you do the dishes at a local restaurant (or do whatever at a grocery store) and get paid €8-10 per hour goes a long way. You don't need a car, a bicycle will do fine (unless you live on one side of a huge city and need to get to the other side).


The people who made the content you are pirating aren't losing income? Okay.

Pfft local restaurant, if it was that easy I would be working already. I live in a small town and as I said I have other stuff to do than studying, I have a family to take care off and well life! Should I really sacrifice myself that much just to play some games, hell no. You don't have a clue, it's not like I'm sitting there all day playing games.

No they aren't losing income because if pirating wasn't an option I would be stuck with the small amount of games I can afford. I wouldn't even buy the games I pirate in the first place. Have you even read what I posted???

And stop double posting it's annoying.

You do know he's from sweden, right?
Some places are way more remote than germany and could even be dangerous to travel trough without a car...

That isn't a problem, crime is very low here... you should read up on sweden a little more.
Maybe "germany" too.

 

[ilman]

I pirate because, as many people said, I can.
After all I'm 14 years old and it'd be pretty hard to find a job for me. Especially when I have to work during school hours/English classes (gotta get dat FCE)/other classes. I buy games for consoles I can't pirate (3DS in particular) and I think I've gave enough money to gaming companies with all the things I've bought (high-end laptop, 3DS, wii, PSP, a lot of 3DS games, some WII games), so I do what I want cuz a pirate is free, I am a pirate.

 

[xxNathanxx]

So what I have to wait a year just because someone can't step off their high horse? Yea i'll pass on that. Also what about all those ridiculous DRM and stuff hm? Like FF3 on Android which requires you to be online to be play a single player game. Cause there is alot of incentive there for me to not pirate something that has such a ridiculous system in place.

You can't download a sports car or free music tuition so none of your examples even make sense in the first place.

More ad hominem!

I agree DRM sucks shit and I think patches to disable stuff like requiring an online connection are good. You paid for the game (or whatever), so it should be yours and not limited to several conditions.

My examples were oriented more to the 'everything must be free' than the 'downloading' aspect of piracy.

You're the one who made the original claim, so the burden of proof rests on you. You can't just make a claim with no proof, and then when someone challenges you, say "prove me wrong." That's not how it works. Because YOU made the initial claim, it's up to YOU to defend why you're right before other people defend why they think you're wrong.

Why do you continue preaching to the choir? I already said I think that piracy is morally wrong. My problem is that you continue to generalize all pirates as "not paying because they don't want to/are too lazy to," and continue to ignore the fact that many of them have given reasons BESIDES flat-out not wanting to pay (such as a flat-out inability to afford games). Does that make piracy right? Still no, in my opinion. But you refuse to acknowledge that not all pirates are just selfish and lazy, and instead some simply can't even pay the developers of these games even if they wanted to.

And since you're just making a copy of a game, not truly stealing it (like the sports car you mention), there's really not much of a comparison between actual theft and piracy. Theft not only prevents a profit from the seller, but actually STEALS something of value from them. When you pirate a game, you're not walking into GameStop and stealing a physical copy from them, which they can never sell again. You're making an unlicensed copy without affecting the "stock" of the digital product. Like I said for the billionth time, I think it's still wrong. But my point is there's so many holes in your view of this that it's not even funny.

lol I thought you were the one who made the original claim so I thought the burden of proof was on you. Nevermind. Pretty sure I already gave several arguments why I am right though.

Those questions were not directed toward you in particular but to everyone (as everyone is replying to these posts anyway).

Anyway I'm tired, if anyone else wants to pick up where I left off feel free to do so.

Get someone to merge my posts if you don't want me double posting.

Adieu.

 

[Depravo]

Get someone to merge my posts if you don't want me double posting.

I've merged all your double posts but staff should not have to do this. Use the 'Edit' function in future.

 

[Eerpow]

- Yeah, let someone else take care of it.
Says mr. I'm perfect I don't pirate.

What an asshole.

Pretty sure I already gave several arguments why I am right

Man what a douchy thing to say.

 

[JulietStMoon]

I've merged your all your double posts but staff should not have to do this. Use the 'Edit' function in future.

Off topic, but I'm assuming the auto-merge feature isn't re-enabled yet?

- Yeah, let someone else take care of it.
Says mr. I'm perfect I don't pirate.

What an asshole.



Man what a douchy thing to say.

I kinda agree with you, but eh, just let it go. He's stopped now, no need to dwell on it. Let's get back on topic

 

[Just Another Gamer]

I kinda agree with you, but eh, just let it go. He's stopped now, no need to dwell on it. Let's get back on topic

Yea. I like I said earlier one of my main reasons to enjoy pirating is because of DRM and crap that forces you to be online to play a single player game like FF3 on Android and Chaos Rings otherwise I usually pirate if I can't buy the game cause i'm short of money plus I like to cheat t remove grinding and its hard to do that in a legit game.

 

[Eerpow]

Off topic, but I'm assuming the auto-merge feature isn't re-enabled yet?

I kinda agree with you, but eh, just let it go. He's stopped now, no need to dwell on it. Let's get back on topic

It's just that no one can be right or wrong when it comes to piracy which is what I'm pointing out.

Anyway arguments are fine I think as long as people aren't flaming. Sorry.

 

[GammaGeorgeX]

Depends how you define 'unique'. Something can be 'unique' because there is nothing even remotely like it, or it can be 'unique' because it is a unique combination of things that already exist, e.g., if I were to make a hybrid table/towel, it would (probably) be unique in the sense that no one has made a hybrid table/towel before, but it would not be unique in the sense that it is merely a combination of a table and a towel.

Yeah, I think of it as 'no possession exists' in a way. I mean some people even call humans their own possessions, so what mean is that if we're all in the same source, pirating is good for it's convenience imo.

 

[JulietStMoon]

It's just that no one can be right or wrong when it comes to piracy which is what I'm pointing out.

Anyway arguments are fine I think as long as people aren't flaming. Sorry.

It's no problem.

 

[Hadrian]

Use to pirate a lot nowadays I just do it to test, I don't seem to like many modern titles and with the lack of demos and GOOD review sources plus I tend to be pickier than others it's hard to know which game to get if I'm on the fence about something. And I do only test, if something seems really damn good then I quit playing until I buy the game because I've had many moments where I've finished a game and then when I can afford it I don't end up buying it until it's on sale if at all. Of course I still pirate roms, most I do tend to buy when they're re-released but sadly many home computer games never get reissued.

I do pirate a lot of TV but I do end up getting the boxsets when they become available with exception to BBC stuff as the TV license funds them.

When it comes to movies I just rent them now, unless it something I really enjoy then I buy the DVD.

Since I decreased the piracy and hoarding I've got way too much HDD space left. Piracy is still bad though, even "trying" is wrong but without options of demoes and in some cases games not even getting a release in some countries there is no other way.

 

[Taleweaver]

Piracy is for losers. If you're in a position where you can't afford games (or records or books or whatever) and you resort to piracy, you suck. Maybe you should use the time you spend playing pirated video games to think of ways to improve your life, or at the very least your wage. Do you NEED that PS3 game? Do you NEED that episode? Do you NEED that album? Of course not. They might be nice extras that make you feel good for a minute but in the end you could have spent the time you spent playing the game doing something more useful which would actually allow you to spend more time playing games in the future (and would allow you to pay for said games).

If you have the money to afford everything you want but still resort to piracy, you're a complete twat.

I completely agree with this.

It isn't fun to hear, as I pirate stuff on a pretty regular basis...but I can't deny it's true. :-\

I do have the money, so that's not the issue. And indeed: why the fuck do I do it? Especially on the wii front, I'm more busy checking whether game X or feature Y works, rather than actually playing (I can testify that over a 100 games start on neek2o...of that, I've played practically a dozen until the third level. And about six of those I've played longer than that).
I wish I could say "but I've always bought the games that I've finished"...but that's not really true either. There are always fake reasons to avoid buying it.


I voted "...but I would like to stop". On PC, it's been many years since I pirated*. And I've gotta admit: steam makes it easier to go legit (part of my reasoning of pirating is that you don't have to go out the door to buy something). On android: the same thing (though they REALLY need to get a freakin' paypal paying method in place). On the wiiU, I'll try to resist it once it gets hacked (or at least buy it faster than "whenever my conscience is bugging me").

We'll see what happens...






*I'm leaving a cracked version of borderlands out of this: I actually downloaded and installed that out of frustration because of some retarded issue with the retail disk.

 

[Gahars]

I thought this thread would be a support group regarding plundering the seven seas.

Agreed. There's a worrying lack of doubloons in this thread.

On topic, I'm in the "Doesn't Pirate" boat. It's a mix of two factors: I like to support the developers if I can, and I'm too lazy to bother with it in the first place. Mostly laziness, though.