The Pirate Support Thread

[JulietStMoon]

*I'm leaving a cracked version of borderlands out of this: I actually downloaded and installed that out of frustration because of some retarded issue with the retail disk.

Well, of course you already paid for the game. so that's a non-issue.

Agreed. There's a worrying lack of doubloons in this thread.

On topic, I'm in the "Doesn't Pirate" boat. It's a mix of two factors: I like to support the developers if I can, and I'm too lazy to bother with it in the first place. Mostly laziness, though.

It's funny how laziness can work for both sides of this.

 

[nryn99]

It's funny how laziness can work for both sides of this.

Well, not all games are just download and go play. It's easier to just buy the game instead of waiting for a crack. or a fix for the crack.

 

[Sterling]

Define: entitlement -

belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges

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Define: Ad Hominem -

1. (of an argument or reaction) Arising from or appealing to the emotions and not reason or logic.
2. Attacking an opponent's motives or character rather than the policy or position they maintain.

At the moment Nathan, you've been using the second term to describe people's arguments. Not only are you using the 1st definition, but also the second definition to dismiss their claims and reinforce yours as fact. You're walking a fine line, and you're going to fall off sooner or later.

You can't have a discussion about piracy without falling into ad hominem in the first place. Piracy is a really ambiguous subject without a lot of hard facts. Things like companies losing sales is not a sure thing as much as it is a potential to. You can't try to reason your way into a purely emotional justification like you can with science or literature. Piracy is something that cannot be justified through reason.

Most pirates understand that piracy is wrong. While there are many people who get pissed because of an update that renders flashcards or back-up loaders useless, there others who understand why and then just accept it. Very few of us feel "entitled" to pirated copies. That term is thrown around all to often and is an insult to those of us who don't think like that.

I pirate because I want to and because I can. I pirate because I like modding my systems and that's something that I can do. If my flashcart suddenly doesn't work after an update, it's no real loss to me. I'm not attached to the copies. Maybe the saves, but not the copies.

 

[JulietStMoon]

Well, not all games are just download and go play. It's easier to just buy the game instead of waiting for a crack. or a fix for the crack.

I suppose. I wouldn't really know, since none of the kind of games I ever pirated needed cracks.

 

[Arm73]

For popular artists this isn't a problem because they earn enough money anyway through various sources. Less popular artists CAN NOT survive (by survive, I mean, continue doing what they do) without the income generated by sales of their albums on Bandcamp or similar.

Holy fuck, you can't tell the Belgian flag from the German one?

And how do you think artists used to survive, and even get famous and have a great life of success back when recording studios weren't invented yet ?
REAL ARTIST can perform LIVE, they love it actually , and the better they are, the bigger gig they get in better and bigger places.
You can be an artist, and work everyday doing what you like and get paid for it. You can also sell your CDs to people that actually enjoy your music and want to take it home.
Back in the day, artists were artists.

I'm glad that piracy is killing the music industry ( or so they say ) so that we can get rid once and for all of all the crap that's out there.
Ex gangsters, rappers with questionable life styles who try to teach young people how to live theirs.
They deserve to die ! No wait, even better , they deserve to be put on a stage with a live microphone and a real band and see what the fuck can they really do and run away in shame......

In other words, real talent pays off, no matter what industry are you in.
But if you suck at what you do, then I'm glad people won't even bother to pirate your junk stuff......

 

[pyromaniac123]

I used to pirate before I had a job. Now I've got a job, I still pirate.

aarrgghh.

 

[stomp_442]

I would never admit to such activities.

 

[suppow]

i do some game development on my spare time,
and my main goal aside from making that (putting it out there, finishing it, creating it, etc)
is to get others to play it / experience it.
same as when making music, or writing a book.

so for me it's better for someone to not pay for them and still play them,
than not pay for them and not play them at all.
(in the second scenario i'm not gaining anything over the first one)

i think that when it comes to it, the people who would "pirate" my games,
either disagree with the price (but are still interested since they're "pirating" them, and not just ignoring it)
or cant afford it. and i'm fine with that.
so the people that would pay for it would still do it, and the people who wouldnt, wouldnt anyways.

so when it comes to pricing, instead of thinking how much money i'd like to charge or gain,
i think how much i would be willing pay for it myself (if it was somebody else's) without wanting to pirate it.
some even for free.
it's better to put out a game for $1 and still have people buy it and like it, and maybe buy your next one,
than making $100 and no one buying it.


so buying, not buying and pirating all send different messages.


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i also have a weird theory that video game sales should focus on hardware
and companies making the consoles (like nintendo, microsoft, sony) should more or less subsidize software

it's analogous to how i think musicians should focus on live performances for revenue and and recordings for support.

that's just my very disorganized two cents

 

[Felipe_9595]

Piracy is for losers. If you're in a position where you can't afford games (or records or books or whatever) and you resort to piracy, you suck. Maybe you should use the time you spend playing pirated video games to think of ways to improve your life, or at the very least your wage. Do you NEED that PS3 game? Do you NEED that episode? Do you NEED that album? Of course not. They might be nice extras that make you feel good for a minute but in the end you could have spent the time you spent playing the game doing something more useful which would actually allow you to spend more time playing games in the future (and would allow you to pay for said games).

If you have the money to afford everything you want but still resort to piracy, you're a complete twat.

Who are you to tell me about what i do with my time??

 

[triassic911]

I only pirated stuff when I have no job. Otherwise I pay for everything.

 

[ShadowSoldier]

I'm actually happy that I stopped pirating all together.

I go out and buy the games, and I like having a collection. Before I would just have a huge amount of games on a MicroSD, and I found myself never finishing any of them. And now that I actually pay for them, I want to get my money's worth out of them. I mean, I'll be honest, I'm a huge AC fan, but if I pirated AC3, chances are I wouldn't even play it, same goes for Mass Effect 3.

I like having a huge collection of games to choose from. I don't know, it just feels better. Hell, I don't even really buy used anymore unless that's all there is. I'll gladly go to EBGames, and pay full price for a game...except for Resident Evil 6, that game is a piece of shit and deserves to be pirated. I'm glad I got 18 bucks for it at EBGames. What a waste of money and resources that game was.

 

[suppow]

i was watching this slightly related video on DRM, which i thought might interest some of you.


while on the subject, i do think most of those are crap, except for steam,
but i actually kinda liked how Activision went about it with Skylanders

 

[Just Another Gamer]

Just watched that and honestly this is one of the reasons why I pirate my games, its usually so I don't have to put up with this type of bullshit that companies do cause if I buy it legit then i'm stuck doing something I don't even want to do in the first place like not being online to play a single player game or jumping through hoops just to start playing by myself.

 

[shoyrumaster11]

I'm totally fine with pirating all my games and softwarez! I do it to try the full versions of games and software so that I know what i'm planning on buying isn't shit! All the demo's and trial's are total shit if you ask me. I'm in for piracy. I just do it to test games and software, however!

 

[Fazermint]

I'm a shameless pirate. I can see the moral problems with it, but I'm quite frankly not that bothered by it. I could go on and try to justify this, but I don't think it would serve any purpose.

 

[suppow]

Just watched that and honestly this is one of the reasons why I pirate my games, its usually so I don't have to put up with this type of bullshit that companies do cause if I buy it legit then i'm stuck doing something I don't even want to do in the first place like not being online to play a single player game or jumping through hoops just to start playing by myself.

right, copy protection should never get in the way of legitimate users, piracy is always going to be there no matter what,
but let those who actually paid for it enjoy it without all that nonesense.
couse in the end the one's you're punishing are not the 'pirates' but the actual buyers
ugh

 

[DinohScene]

I'm pirating yep.

Although I do buy lots of games/movies/series
I <3 limited collectors edition games ;3

 

[Just Another Gamer]

right, copy protection should never get in the way of legitimate users, piracy is always going to be there no matter what,
but let those who actually paid for it enjoy it without all that nonesense.
couse in the end the one's you're punishing are not the 'pirates' but the actual buyers
ugh

I wish companies think of a better way if they are afraid of piracy instead of slapping some ridiculous DRM on their game but its unfortunate that companies don't see that it only makes piracy become the better option because it doesn't force them to do anything except play the game.

 

[Mr. Prince]

I only pirate DS games. I used to pirate PSP games, but there isn't anything to pirate anymore.

 

[DJPlace]

i only get a 160 dollars per month to spent on games and i only get 40 per week... and i use to have a ps3 and i was stressing out myself and everyone else around me of having what i want with it since the ps3 may or may not be hacked i gave up on it and sold it for 200 bucks at gamestop and got back into wii side of things been a pirate. and i'm a disk lover... and i hate mod chips... so i love soft mod systems like ps2 wii dreamcast etc... so ps3 for people who can afford it...