thaddius' Console Roast 2014 Edition - Round 2

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Round 2 - The Worst Console of the Second Generation

Poll closed Feb 27, 2014.
  1. The Atari 2600

    17 vote(s)
    5.7%
  2. The Fairchild Channel F

    104 vote(s)
    35.1%
  3. The Magnavox Odyssey^2

    48 vote(s)
    16.2%
  4. The Intellivision

    21 vote(s)
    7.1%
  5. The Colecovision

    22 vote(s)
    7.4%
  6. The Atari 5200

    84 vote(s)
    28.4%
  1. thaddius
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    Welcome to thaddius' Console Roast 2014 Edition, where you, the GBATemp users, vote on what you think the worst console ever made is. Each week I will pit the individual generation's consoles against their contemporaries. We'll whittle down the generations after which we finally pit the 'winners' against each other to determine GBATemps least preferred console!

    Recap:

    What a wonderful first round!

    The winner of Round 1 with 6 votes is The Nintendo Color TV Game! Congratulations Nintendo. I suspect your victory arises from general ire for not having released these Japan-only systems State/Europe-side. And who could blame them? That was a dick move Nintendo.
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    For more information, check the thread out here.

    Intro:

    So now we move into the Second Generation of Consoles. This generation was so bad the video game market had to implode to save us consumers from the badness. Thanks, video game industry. We owe you one.

    So, before we go to the next round, why not recap the rules no one ever reads?

    Rules:
    Warning: Spoilers inside!
    Enough of that crap, time to get started!

    This Week's Challengers:

    The Atari 2600
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    Sound was apparently an afterthought for this console as it would make horrible farting noises seemingly at random. And the games! My god, the games! If it wasn't sub-par arcade ports it was meaningless abstract games that were nigh impossible to play. And don't get me started on shameless movie-tie ins that are tangentially related to the movie's plot/setting/etc..

    Luckily for us Atari's lack of standards in games led to the crash of '83 that highlighted that very issue.

    The Fairchild Channel F
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    The Fairchild Channel F is a dumb name. Just gonna put that out there.

    This wonderful machine could display up to 8 amazing colours. The games... were exactly what you'd expect. And it's clear that people were still trying to figure out just how to make controllers as the Fairchild's controller was often described as a joystick without a base.

    Around the time of the crash they released a second model, but it failed to capture the hearts and minds of the public for some reason...

    The Magnavox Odyssey^2
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    Above is the European model, I believe.

    This thing struggled against the popularity of the 2600. That led to the system having very little third party support. Despite its predecessors success, Magnavox was unable to support themselves primarily with first party software like a certain modern company does.

    Magnavox tried to market it as a personal computer-like device, but that was a hard sell from something who's primary function was a toy.

    The Intellivision
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    This was one of those consoles that highlighted just how behind in the times the 2600 was. The only problem was that it was too little too late.

    The 'Intelligent Television' flourished for a little while, but it was clear that the market was saturated a few years in. It had a number of games that probably would have sold well if it weren't for that pesky crash I keep talking about...

    And that number pad controller - god those were ugly! I think that's the reason for the crash right there.

    The Colecovision
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    Two consoles with 'vision' in their name? I guess it could have been worse... like The Fairchild Channel F.

    The Colecovision was a step up from its Telstar series in the looks department (not that that is saying much) and it had superior arcade ports over the 2600 (something that was a big deal back then), but after a failed personal computer-like adapter this would be Coleco's last contribution to the console wars. The crash of '83 was pretty tough on all of us.

    While the games may have seemed better than the 2600 a lot of them were no better gameplay-wise. And that controller... I'll never understand why number pads on the controllers were desirable.

    The Atari 5200
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    Larger than an original Xbox, that thing is.

    If you know anything about the 5200, released in 1982, it's that it was a rapid successor to the 2600, released in 1977. This was a market that wasn't used to replacing technology so rapidly. And to make matters worse it was, initially anyway, NOT backwards compatible - confusing consumers to no end.

    Its bastard of a controller wasn't much help either. This wouldn't be the last time Atari put a number pad on their console... You'd think they would have learned?

    Outro:

    "Video game crash of '83 video game crash of '83 video game crash of '83. You sound like a broken record thaddius!" But it was important, guys. I don't envy you voters. If there was a poll for worst console generation I'd be surprised if the second didn't win. Sadly there's no Nintendo consoles to kick around this time, but at least you'll be able to share AVGN vids and discuss the finer points of number pad based controllers.

    This poll will close next Thursday. Please remember to vote by then!

    Current Standings:

    Warning: Spoilers inside!
     


  2. Foxi4

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    I'll have to vote for the Atari 5200, mostly because it's the only one of the systems above that was a real disappointment. The 2600 was loved by many and people had high hopes for the 5200 - hopes that were shattered.

    While it's definitely a step-up hardware-wise, it has too many flaws that just can't be overlooked. It's absolutely massive, the number of games is scarce and the controller, albeit nicely designed for the era, is so infamously prone to failure that it reached legendary status. People invested pretty penny into their 2600's and collections of games and although I always say that backwards compatibility doesn't make or break a system, it certainly helps push systems in the initial transition phase. Neither gamers nor the developers really jumped on the 5200 ship and what users ended up with was a machine with broken controllers and only 69 games available in comparison to the 2600's 250+, god knows how many are there since the lists I've seen differ greatly. Some that include Sears's 2600 go up to 500+ titles!

    To summarize, it's a system that can only be recommended to really hardcore collectors. Anyone will tell you that it's far better to invest in a 2600 or one of the Visions, seeing that they have 2600 game compatibility adapters: CollecoVision Atari Converter and the Intellivision System Changer.

    If not for the disappointment value, I'd probably vote Fairchild Channel F (even though I find it quite pretty and the controller is fascinating more than anything... but 250 000 units sold is pretty underwhelming) or the Oddyssey^2 (but that was a huge step-up from the original Oddyssey, it was more-or-less well-designed with the keyboard separate on the main unit and only failed on the market due to 2600's massive popularity... plus it sold 2 million units, more or less - that's twice as much as the 5200 and a respectable result cat the time!)... but I can't just dismiss a let-down like that, not when it's such a step down from the highly successful 2600.
     
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  3. trumpet-205

    trumpet-205 Embrace the darkness within

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    You know this should be on gbatemp front page, otherwise there won't be a lot of people voting.
     
  4. thaddius
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    I asked for some visibility last time but didn't get a response. We get enough votes though. :)
     
  5. Foxi4

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    It should be, but I don't know if it'll go along with the "GBATemp's No Hate Policy". I'm afraid I can't do anything until other Reporters and the Chief Editor have their say, these sorts of threads can turn into a nasty flamewar - not everyone can keep it civil. ;)

    EDIT: I spoke with T-hug about the matter and the thread has been greenlit as a Community Poll. We hope that the thread will remain civil, good community fun! Please message T-hug whenever a new round rolls in, thaddius. :)
     
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    Oh man, Atari 5200 = toilet. My dad used to have one years ago, I remember trying to play any of the games and the controller was just plan garbage. He had a box with like 3 or 4 different controllers in it, all busted and shit.
     
  7. Foxi4

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    A lot of people are voting 2600... which I find bizzare since it's the unquestionable winner of this generation, at least in my opinion. I changed the poll's title to reflect that we're talking about the worst system in the second generation, so that trigger-happy users who don't read the actual thread know what they're voting for - I hope you don't mind, thaddius. :)
     
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    Atari 5200.
    It's a tryhard bothvision.

    I'd nearly say the Magnavox odyssey but then again.
    Atari 5200...
    Just a copy of the bothvision.
    Atari, what are you doing!?
     
  9. Foxi4

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    I don't know if I'd resort to saying that it was a Vision copy. If you're on about the number pad, Atari firmly believed that it was going to become an "industry standard", even though none really existed at the time. This belief led them to implement a keypad on the Jaguar controller, too. The numberpads weren't completely useless either - they could be used for game functionality and more. Think back to the Atari Keyboard Controller for the 2600. It was just two number pad controllers that could be joined into one and used for programming on your Atari in BASIC - definitely a fun thing to do. It definitely didn't copy the stylistic side of things either and it has a joystick rather than a "disc" controller.
     
  10. calmwaters

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    I, uh, have a particular weakness when it comes to Japanese console makers; they're just... superior. I'll try to stay fair, though. I guess it's a good thing that Atari stopped making game consoles. And I'm not going to say much on how some consoles have bad names. I could pick all the systems in this lot; I mean really, do any of these systems have good names? The Odyssey is cool, but that's about it. And the games: well they were still trying to evolve from arcade games to home games, if that makes any sense.

    All right, enough fooling around. I voted for the Magnavox Odyssey^2 because it reminds me of a certain company's system that was behind the times and also had trouble getting first party support. And also, why does this have an entire keyboard? And wouldn't this make joysticks on that thing obsolete? It looks like a giant calculator with that little screen on the top. Plus it didn't have a great amount of games which, considering the success of its predecessor, puts it to shame. Here's another reminder of a certain company's system that also had this problem.

    I'm pretty sure the Atari 5200 will win this poll, but giant keyboards are out. Number pads are one thing, but that's just ridiculous.

    ATTENTION, future voters! Try not to fight with each other; it is possible to give a negative review of a console without flaming someone else about their decision.
     
  11. xwatchmanx

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    I can't fairly vote on this, since it was a bit before my time.
     
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  12. Gahars

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    Atari 2600, because I'm not going to be held down by convention, man!

    Give the Atari 5200 some credit. 5200 is a bigger number than 2600.
     
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    Sweet deal. Thanks.

    Don't mind at all.
     
  14. Foxi4

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    To be fair, the games look the way they look because that was the state of contemporary technology, not because the consoles were poor. If you have a look at arcade games from that time period, they don't look miles better either. The matter has little to do with the systems being western or eastern, really. There are good games out there for those early systems, they're just not nearly as advanced as games from the third generation when the industry properly kicked off. ;)
     
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    Fairchild Channel F. Just look at that thing? Did you know anyone who owned one? I sure didn't, because it sucked. All the rest at least someone I knew owned (or I did).

    Odyssey 2 wasn't very good either, but at least it wasn't Fairchild.

    Anyone voting for either of the Ataris, Intellivision, or Colecovision is straight up trippin.
     
  16. Foxi4

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    Atari 2600? Yes, absolutely legendary, nothing but praise for it. ColecoVision and IntelliVision? Top notch gear, very advanced for their time. 5200...? C'mon, 5200 was a mistake, at least in the form it was released in. 7800, that's a system one could stand behind, but the 5200? No. It fell on its face and squirmed.
     
  17. Logan97

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    Fairchild channel F... just sounds like a badname, if I ever see one of those, I'll probably imagine it's Flappy bird, and Falcon Punch the shit out of it :).
     
  18. Foxi4

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    I must say, this is becoming a really heated battle between the Atari 5200 and the Fairchild Channel F! Results so far were to be expected, but I'm still eager to see which one was the bigger disappointment overall. Good thread, good fun! :yay:
     
  19. Psionic Roshambo

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    I voted for the 5200, out of all those consoles the only one I don't own is a Channel F lol

    All of them had some problems but the 5200's bad controller was legendary bad. I have 1 working controller out of like 6, and that one I had to modify heavily myself. (I used a crap ton of parts from other 5200 controllers and some custom shaving and cutting and soldering and and and....)

    I really enjoyed my Odyssey at the time though, almost as much as my 2600. I also loved the Intellivision for B52 bomber and Night Stalker and AD&D was really cool.

    Surprised the TI-994A isn't on this list but maybe it's not much of a console? I guess I just treated it like one with the giant collection of carts... lol Maybe it was considered more a PC with the PEB and all that.

    Anyway this is a good topic!!!
     
  20. Foxi4

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    The TI-994A is rather considered to be a home computer, just looking at it with the peripherals connected can give someone a headache. :P

    Warning: Spoilers inside!
    Ink printer *and* thermal printer? Now we're in business, baby - time to do some taxes! :rofl2:
     
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