Switch Update 5.0.0 Released

Discussion in 'Switch - Hacking & Homebrew' started by Lia, Mar 13, 2018.

  1. aofelix

    aofelix GBAtemp Advanced Fan

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    i updated by mistake altho im not holding my breath for any developments. I've already bought so many switch games. at least i play them compared to other consoles.

    can't imagine playing smash without online tbh.
     
  2. Arkangelshadow

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    On xbox one, it didn't cross my mind to make it offline as i got the idea that this will never get piracy also i went all digital on it.

    But nintendo consoles don't have the same feeling, piracy is coming no matter what. I bought the switch almost knowing that it needs to be offline forever, the 3ds has been offline for years.

    I think it is because the kind of games, as xbox1 rely heavely on multiplayer and nintendo are almost always single player centered or lack the benefits of playing in a group
     
  3. Soluble

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    I'm the same XB1 has never not been online(I'm also all digital with game sharing with a mate), I purchased odyssey odyugh and when it was announced 3.0.1-4.1 were interchangeable I figured I may aswell update all my games and stay put. I have never played a Nintendo Game online though.
     
  4. xStellar

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    Giga, Uh, I might be out of the loop but who said that we can play newer games on lower firmware?
    This isn't the case on 3DS so why would it be the case on the Switch.
     
  5. DVDVDcz

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    That is not true. Whet I set DNS manually to 173.255.238.217, I am not able to play online nor access e-shop anymore but I am still able to manually update my games (click "+" button, "Software Update" and then there is something like manual update"). Just make sure you have automatic software updates turned off and when the game itself asks you to update because there is an update, do not do it, since that is for FW update not the game SW. I tried this with ARMS several minutes ago and it works for me with the manual update.
     
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    yeah, there's apparently a grace period of time where you can use online services after an update drops
    it's short though
     
  7. TheCyberQuake

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    Actually it was the case on 3ds with emunand. And it will be the same with switch and emunand
     
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    No one said anything about emunand tho. I'm sure he meant non modded systems
     
  9. DVDVDcz

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    That is the reason, why I am updating all my games right now because it will not be possible later, when there is 5.0.1. I am currently at 4.1.0 but I am happy with it and I already played more than enough Splatoon 2 / ARMS / Mario Kart 8 ... but lets hope, I will be able to get to it later with some kind of emunand like on 3DS or some methods on WiiU that allowed online play.

    Unfortunately, NS is expensive here compared to wages, so I cannot just by second one for having one updated and one not.
     
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    No, I didn't mean non modded system. A non-modded system, you would need to update to play latest games.

    I was talking about emunand or a cfw. Never had any problem with 3DS or Wii U games needing a firmware higher than I had. It definitely won't be a problem with the Switch either.

    I feel zero remorse pirating nintendo stuff. They are by far the most greedy company of all 3. Their games almost never go on sale and they take forever to drop in price.
     
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  11. xStellar

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    (I know that non modded systems have to be updated)
    I just wasn't sure if emunand/cfw allows that. Neat I guess. (My modded 3DS and Wii U are up to the date so)
     
  12. Giga_Gaia

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    Pirates have always found a way anyway. The only exception I can think is the current PS4 scene. No way to play games that are higher than a certain firmware, but that's likely not gonna be a problem longer because higher firmware also have exploits, so I guess it's a matter of time until they get hacked. There is also the fact Sony systems seems to be drastically different from Nintendo in term of security.
     
  13. andijames

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    Updated. Fixed the dodgy right stick disconnects so far so am happy. Bought plenty of games and Happy to put the money back into the ecosystem for a fantastic console. It has a bootrom exploit. This will always have a backdoor. If not now then in the near future. I can live with that :)
     
  14. TheCyberQuake

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    I've stated this multiple times since bootrom exploit was announced. We don't know the requirements to install the bootrom exploit, at least if you want a software only entry. The exploit itself is unpatchable, but may require at least basic code exec from browser, which can get patched. Until we have more details about the exploit, you can't just update and assume you'll have access to a software based bootrom exploit until we get info on what is required.
    Just think back to the 3ds. Even though it's bootrom was exploitable from software, it requires code exec of some kind to access.
     
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  15. andijames

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    The bootrom is exploitable even before kernel load right? That gives you complete control over what you do from that entry point. Sure I'm never going to say this task is easy but this is the most exploitable and consistent attack vector. This just won't be released until it's moot. Which by the looks of things isn't far off.
     
  16. Selim873

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    Does this include downloading archived games from the home menu?
     
  17. TheCyberQuake

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    The exploit loads early in boot, but thats once the exploit is installed. We don't know what the requirements are for installing the exploit. It's the same situation on 3ds. Before ntrboot existed installing b9s required arm9 exploits to install. For usually for a software based exploit you have to start with some kind of code execution. Just as b9s required arm9, the switch bootrom exploit installation will likely require some kind of code execution. So the exploit itself is unpatchable, the access to installing that exploit may be patchable without a hardware entry point, meaning hardmod.
    On 3ds for a while those on newer firmware had no access to installing b9s without hardmod or getting a friend do the system transfer method.
    Until the devs confirm the bootrom exploit is installable on every firmware with only software, you can't go around just updating saying "I'll get bootrom eventually", because nothing guarantees it will be able to install with software only on every software.
     
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  18. DVDVDcz

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    Feel free to try. I do not have any archived SW, so I cannot test it but since it should work similar way (from home screen without e-shop), I would bet that it works. It just needs to be done before the next minor update.
     
  19. andijames

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    I understand the principal of a coldboot exploit and the strengths of it. I also understand the 3ds but I'm not referring to that right now - appreciate we do not know everything about it at this point but it gives you a permanent entry point in which you can exploit the target. We don't have the whole 9-11 handoff situation here we have essentially trustzone manipulation. If you have root at the start anything is potentially available (hardmod or not). The updates to the firmware are all mitigation tactics and not fixes. They're defensively coding against attack vectors. If this wasn't an issue i'd hazard a guess they would not have bumped a major version, blown a fuse and essentially made all new future software signed from the new key.
     
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  20. OctolingRift

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    Does this mean 4.1.0 hacks are on the horizon?
     
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