Hacking [Suspended] ARM11 kernel access project

[ironmaster49]

Okay, I have an idea. If you want to keep your development confidential and safe from the prying eyes of Nintendo but you still want help and want to talk to the other devs just start a skype group and add the devs, confidential and safe from Nintendo while you can still work

 

[ric.]

Or they could just stick to IRC, which is what I believe they've been doing until now. I don't think MassExplosion has asked people to leave him alone or to keep quiet, in fact he seems to be pretty open about the whole thing.
It's the countless "ey b0ss can i habe the exploit next month pls" posts that make people want to keep things private to avoid giving new users false hopes. Which I can definitely understand.

 

[Ronhero]

Okay, I have an idea. If you want to keep your development confidential and safe from the prying eyes of Nintendo but you still want help and want to talk to the other devs just start a skype group and add the devs, confidential and safe from Nintendo while you can still work

We already have that.... It's called the Best friends / Kindness squad featuring Paul Berry

 

[ironmaster49]

We already have that.... It's called the Best friends / Kindness squad featuring Paul Berry

What? What are you saying? A skype group is a good idea though to talk about how exploits work so Nintendo won't find out how they work and thus they cannot patch the exploits then

 

[Ronhero]

What? What are you saying? A skype group is a good idea though to talk about how exploits work so Nintendo won't find out how they work and thus they cannot patch the exploits then

Yes that is what I am saying, we have a think tank that is made of a bunch of dudes and gals with no lives geared towards childish dribble and the occasional break through idea

 

[WulfyStylez]

If he comes up with an exploit, then things will get private, as he should search for Devs ala @WulfyStylez or someone to take a look and get everything they need in terms of research and usability instead of it releasing immediately and getting patched with no further development.

here's a thing a lot of devs can probably relate with - ninjhax 2 (and etc) is excellent for homebrew to the point where you're probably not going to be able to find skilled devs who will help with downgrade-minded stuff. like you can get 124mb of ram and 2 cores running at 3x old3ds speed through a variety of unpatched entrypoints. besides some hbloader/libctru quirks that're being worked out (and that still apply to cia homebrew even), thats a very very solid homebrew environment.
anything beyond that is, in the eyes of a lot of people including me, basically just extra for piracy. i actually dont mean to start a piracy discussion (god knows ive seen enough), its just that thats the demeanor people familiar with the platform tend to have.
nintendo's like a good pal. publicizing stuff for the sake of piracy would feel like pushing that good pal down a really long flight of stairs.

tl;dr people who want a kernel exploit are jerks who like pushing people down stairs

 

[Selim873]

There ought to be a law against that. Can't modify your system without your authorization.

The only way it can be legal is if it's in the WiiU's terms and conditions. Which I've heard it is.

 

[ironmaster49]

Yeah, read the EULA, well for Wii U updates can't you just block eshop and play online on games, like you can do on 3ds and you can still play online

 

[Normmatt]

here's a thing a lot of devs can probably relate with - ninjhax 2 (and etc) is excellent for homebrew to the point where you're probably not going to be able to find skilled devs who will help with downgrade-minded stuff. like you can get 124mb of ram and 2 cores running at 3x old3ds speed through a variety of unpatched entrypoints. besides some hbloader/libctru quirks that're being worked out (and that still apply to cia homebrew even), thats a very very solid homebrew environment.
anything beyond that is, in the eyes of a lot of people including me, basically just extra for piracy. i actually dont mean to start a piracy discussion (god knows ive seen enough), its just that thats the demeanor people familiar with the platform tend to have.
nintendo's like a good pal. publicizing stuff for the sake of piracy would feel like pushing that good pal down a really long flight of stairs.

tl;dr people who want a kernel exploit are jerks who like pushing people down stairs

 

[zoogie]

here's a thing a lot of devs can probably relate with - ninjhax 2 (and etc) is excellent for homebrew to the point where you're probably not going to be able to find skilled devs who will help with downgrade-minded stuff. like you can get 124mb of ram and 2 cores running at 3x old3ds speed through a variety of unpatched entrypoints. besides some hbloader/libctru quirks that're being worked out (and that still apply to cia homebrew even), thats a very very solid homebrew environment.
anything beyond that is, in the eyes of a lot of people including me, basically just extra for piracy. i actually dont mean to start a piracy discussion (god knows ive seen enough), its just that thats the demeanor people familiar with the platform tend to have.
nintendo's like a good pal. publicizing stuff for the sake of piracy would feel like pushing that good pal down a really long flight of stairs.

tl;dr people who want a kernel exploit are jerks who like pushing people down stairs

The stairs analogy made me lol. I guess that's why your friend @shinyquagsire23 chose his avatar.

 

[ironmaster49]

No, homebrew doesnt work perfect on ninjhax 2. A perfect example of this is retroarch. None of the emulators work well on a o3ds, why? Because you need kernel access for dynamic recompilation. Also for home menu mods and for the sake of having full control over your device. With kernel access you can get dyanrec and they should work perfectly or really well

 

[Woody8275]

No, homebrew doesnt work perfect on ninjhax 2. A perfect example of this is retroarch. None of the emulators work well on a o3ds, why? Because you need kernel access for dynamic recompilation. Also for home menu mods and for the sake of having full control over your device. With kernel access you can get dyanrec and they should work perfectly or really well

So is that why all GBA emulators are no good because I need kernel access for them to work properly on 3ds so what can user access do for you except edit saves

 

[ironmaster49]

So is that why all GBA emulators are no good because I need kernel access for them to work properly on 3ds so what can user access do for you except edit saves

You need dynamic recompilation to make them work properly, and you need kernel access to get that. You can only have an interpreter to work on userland, which is really slow. And also you can inject virtual console games with kernel access as well which allows native gameplay

 

[Aroth]

No, homebrew doesnt work perfect on ninjhax 2. A perfect example of this is retroarch. None of the emulators work well on a o3ds, why? Because you need kernel access for dynamic recompilation.

You do understand that emulation is, at its core, piracy right? So any dev that maintains an anti-piracy stance is not going to be persuaded to delve into kernel access research because "emulators don't work right" on NinjHax 2.0 or its variants.

 

[ironmaster49]

You do understand that emulation is, at its core, piracy right? So any dev that maintains an anti-piracy stance is not going to be persuaded to delve into kernel access research because "emulators don't work right" on NinjHax 2.0 or its variants.

Its not piracy if you dump your own cartridges and play the digital files you dumped or you own the original
Its a grey disputed area

 

[Woody8275]

What about this project any progress or anything

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You need dynamic recompilation to make them work properly, and you need kernel access to get that. You can only have an interpreter to work on userland, which is really slow. And also you can inject virtual console games with kernel access as well which allows native gameplay

How come DS flashcarts are able to run ds games perfectly on latest firmware

 

[ironmaster49]

What about this project any progress or anything

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How come DS flashcarts are able to run ds games perfectly on latest firmware

These just pretend to be legit cards, thats how they work. Kernel access is having administrative privileges over the console

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The thread is open because the OP has a project, its just he hasnt come on for a while

 

[Aroth]

Its not piracy if you dump your own cartridges and play the digital files you dumped or you own the original
Its a grey disputed area

It is considered piracy because the vast majority of the people who use emulators are not playing personally made backups of their cartridges/discs. Game companies know this. Lawyers know this. WE know this. So trying to mask it behind "grey area" and "disputed" is just trying to hide the fact that you want something that enables piracy. At the end of the day emulators enable piracy, kernel access is required to enable proper emulation, and that in turn further enables piracy on the current generation of the system. So WulfyStylez's comment about the stairs (made me lol) still holds true.

And before anyone jumps on me, I don't give two craps about piracy vs anti-piracy. I simply understand where the devs are coming from and that no amount of browbeating is going to make the ones that have stuck to their guns this far give in.

 

[ironmaster49]

It is considered piracy because the vast majority of the people who use emulators are not playing personally made backups of their cartridges/discs. Game companies know this. Lawyers know this. WE know this. So trying to mask it behind "grey area" and "disputed" is just trying to hide the fact that you want something that enables piracy. At the end of the day emulators enable piracy, kernel access is required to enable proper emulation, and that in turn further enables piracy on the current generation of the system. So WulfyStylez's comment about the stairs (made me lol) still holds true.

And before anyone jumps on me, I don't give two grabs about piracy vs anti-piracy. I simply understand where the devs are coming from and that no amount of browbeating is going to make the ones that have stuck to their guns this far give in.

Yeah, i just read it was a grey area. This just gives the POTENTIAL for piracy, but also gives the potential for others as well. Your pc on guest account with restricted privileges/parental controls cannot install pirate software but on admin it can its exactly the same here

 

[Woody8275]

One of the reasons why I want kernel access is because my card slot is becoming unresponsive so I want to store my games digitally as Nintendo would probably charge my the price of 2 new games to fix it and... its completly unresponsive now so I cant use any of my game cards im inserting and removing different game card but nothing appears so a sky3ds would be useless for me anyway and it also dosent support homebrew