Hacking [SPECULATION] SSSpwn allows kernel access?

[kevin_1351]

http://smealum.net/?page_id=299

everyone should read this. this should clear up all the confusion here.

Yeah exactly. This could indeed be used for piracy and smea/Jordan himself isn't really against it, but he doesn't want any legal issues like geohot any many other teams got; while still being in the spotlight (else he would have released it anonymously). That's why he worked on the card saving method instead of letting it run on the sd card or nand. I think it won't take long though until GW or some other team reroute this though. And you could even interpret smea's sarcasm in some of his statements as if that's what he even really wants himself.

And he also knew that we could figure it out now thanks to the available tools/keys out there. If he REALLY didn't want to piracy to ever happen, he would never have released it.

I also do think that giovanny isn't a complete noob/illiterate or whatever as many people are stating now. Even if he really stole the cfw; it takes a bit (albeit not that much) to do what he did.
So maybe he will be the one to make this happen. I personally bet more on GW though. And this code was exactly what they needed.

So in the end he got what he wanted. The scene/community loves him. He also got something to show off at future job interviews etc, it's a big merit I mean. He can't get charged for it as geohot got, because he purposely engineered it to not allow piracy (with a lot of extra effort). And even if GW make piracy happen through this, we/the community will always credit him for it anyway.

But that's just how I see it. Maybe I'm completely wrong.

 

[GoldenSun3DS]

Then what's the point in saying ninjhax has kernel access?
If you write something to achieve that then that'd be another exploit, even if it somewhat relies on ninjhax.

If it is possible to rewrite Ninjhax for full access, then it would still be the same exploit, they'd just be taking more advantage of it.
A good comparison is that if you have a smartphone and you only use it for calls and ignore the app functionality, that doesn't suddenly make it not a smartphone.

 

[Timburpton]

Me think emunand super important. See this, if no emunand, 3ds update and no good anymore. some say can downgrade but you will lose stuff yes? Me think those people say emunand useless are not correct. They wrong.

 

[Oxybelis]

Well userland is the first step to kernel access. Now we need kernel exploit.

 

[Ra1d]

chekc smea nd govanif cybre fihgt in tweter

Link please

Edit***

Found it, GovanifY got owned though.

 

[RenegadeKid]

I just want to say this :

People are never satisfied with what they have, they always want more.

This kind of speculation or bashing makes me tired.

I mean we have the Gateway, Sky3DS... to play 3DS games... Now we have Ninjhax to use homebrews and emulators. Smealum could have kept this exploit for himself but he decided to share it with everyone and it's "free"...

Don't you remember that 2 years ago, we had no way to play roms? You always want everything for free waiting for a kernel exploit... but can't you just pay 40 or 50 dollars to buy a flashcart if you want to play 3DS roms ? Is it so difficult? Don't you have enough games to play? Come on guys...

Honestly since I have a Gateway, I didn't finish any game...

Or if you really do love video games, just go to the nearest store and just buy your games.

 

[desertwarior]

Smea exploited the game not the firmware! we won't be having a kernel access unless we have found an exploit in the firmware if someone did it then it's already a new exploit not related to Ninjhax, now if someone ported an already existing kernel exploit to Ninjhax then fine but it should not be named Ninjhax ,so Duo8 is right! if that's the case then there is no point in saying Ninjhax has kernel access.

 

[ken28]

Smea exploited the game not the firmware! we won't be having a kernel access unless we have found an exploit in the firmware if someone did it then it's already a new exploit not related to Ninjhax, now if someone ported an already existing kernel exploit to Ninjhax then fine but it should not be named Ninjhax ,so Duo8 is right! if that's the case then there is no point in saying Ninjhax has kernel access.

not really true, smealum said that ninjhax uses a game exploit to triger a firmware exploit.

 

[desertwarior]

not really true, smealum said that ninjhax uses a game exploit to triger a firmware exploit.

where did he say that and what did he say exactly ? it's a usermode exploit all it can do right now is what a retail game can do accessing hardware at the user level , accessing system files at the kernel level is not possible with this exploit because this is just its nature unless someone ported another separated work, i don't see this leading us to kernel accesses, but i could be wrong! i'm thinking inside the box lol.

 

[Foxi4]

not really true, smealum said that ninjhax uses a game exploit to triger a firmware exploit.

That in no way entails privilege elevation.

 

[ken28]

That in no way entails privilege elevation.

The point was it using an firmware exploit not just an game exploit

where did he say that and what did he say exactly ? it's a usermode exploit all it can do right now is what a retail game can do accessing hardware at the user level , accessing system files at the kernel level is not possible with this exploit because this is just its nature unless someone ported another separated work, i don't see this leading us to kernel accesses, but i could be wrong! i'm thinking inside the box lol.

"It's just a vulnerability in a game to access a vulnerability in the system firmware. All they'd really need to do is patch the firmware and then the game doesn't even matter."

Last part of the euro gamer interview

 

[173210]

Hey, if you have time to debate, why don't you reverse it?

 

[Qtis]

Smea exploited the game not the firmware! we won't be having a kernel access unless we have found an exploit in the firmware if someone did it then it's already a new exploit not related to Ninjhax, now if someone ported an already existing kernel exploit to Ninjhax then fine but it should not be named Ninjhax ,so Duo8 is right! if that's the case then there is no point in saying Ninjhax has kernel access.

If Nintendo updated the firmware (which it will do sooner or later), it could make it detect the exploit and not let it load. It could even make it detect and delete the modified save or files on the SD card/game cart itself. This was done with the Cooking Coach exploit by WinterMute on the DSi, which Nintendo blocked by making the firmware detect the modified save file (both retail carts as well as flashcarts) and deleting the save file itself.

 

[Theyrealone]

Before we start having grief and sadness over a yet unblocked exploit, if we revrse SSSpwn and recreate it with more indepth features that allow more functionality such as gateway's 4.5 but with cubic-ninja we create an open source update-able cartridge .
And if you still deny this possibillity you just midread smealum devblog article .

 

[WaryLouka]

This argument will lead to nowhere.

1. If you claim that Smealum doesn't want to develop a kernel exploit for whatever reason, do it yourself. Reverse engineer SSSPwn and do your own shit to prove it. You got no proof other than a random, user-written, step-guide on how the exploit works, only vaguely mentioning that the exploit elevates his permissions. What permissions? Kernel? No. It elevates to the game's maximal permissions.
2. Sysmodules are not always installed into the system. Certain sysmodules can be directly implemented in the game card to use diverse functions (Ex. A game using the microphone has the microphone sysmodule attached).
3. The one who magically claimed such a possibility doesn't know to code, nor he did make anything. Leaking someone's work is NOT development, and such is actually bad and he should not merit respect for it. If you think it is respectable, then you are incredibly stupid and you should learn Developing 101.

The end.

 

[Theyrealone]

This argument will lead to nowhere.

1. If you claim that Smealum doesn't want to develop a kernel exploit for whatever reason, do it yourself. Reverse engineer SSSPwn and do your own shit to prove it. You got no proof other than a random, user-written, step-guide on how the exploit works, only vaguely mentioning that the exploit elevates his permissions. What permissions? Kernel? No. It elevates to the game's maximal permissions.
2. Sysmodules are not always installed into the system. Certain sysmodules can be directly implemented in the game card to use diverse functions (Ex. A game using the microphone has the microphone sysmodule attached).
3. The one who magically claimed such a possibility doesn't know to code, nor he did make anything. Leaking someone's work is NOT development, and such is actually bad and he should not merit respect for it. If you think it is respectable, then you are incredibly stupid and you should learn Developing 101.

The end.

Well, I am not exactly sure who you are replying to but if it's for me, then you clearly miss-understood me
The assumption was that SSSpwn (ninjahax) didn't allow anything other than running basic homebrew code
Meanwhile there is a claim that is does allow kernel access, and I am not claiming it does, but smealum article shows that SSSpwn doesn't allow us to see the full potential of these 2 exploits, which might even allow to avoid nintendos block .
But if none will develop such a thing, these exploits might go to waste, and I am not even considering GW as an option because at the time of writing they are nothing more than a good scoop .
More on the topic of GW fanboys if you consider 4.5 viable well , I dont because you dismiss the new 3ds awesome hardware and interface.
Anyway, back to replying: If I had cubic ninja at this time I would code for the 3ds, and with this unwilling attitude I and more developers might get discouraged from releasing their work for you all. Instead of saying code it yourself join yourself and learn how to code! (generally speaking)
Well the exploit might not allow full kernel access or any if you so insist but it is blocked and alternative firmware is always good even when it sucks . . .
I have no idea who or what claims that it has kernel access, altough it might talk truth, saying thing as such discouraged minds from looking into remaking the exploit, such as saying it's userland only dismissed many newcomers who might develop intrest into the scene.

Be quite or stop dismissing possibilies without proofs! Everything might be possible unless proved wrong, and I don't see any from any side those who do claim kernel access is possible and those who claim it isn't

 

[WaryLouka]

Well, I am not exactly sure who you are replying to but if it's for me, then you clearly miss-understood me
The assumption was that SSSpwn (ninjahax) didn't allow anything other than running basic homebrew code
Meanwhile there is a claim that is does allow kernel access, and I am not claiming it does, but smealum article shows that SSSpwn doesn't allow us to see the full potential of these 2 exploits, which might even allow to avoid nintendos block .
But if none will develop such a thing, these exploits might go to waste, and I am not even considering GW as an option because at the time of writing they are nothing more than a good scoop .
More on the topic of GW fanboys if you consider 4.5 viable well , I dont because you dismiss the new 3ds awesome hardware and interface.
Anyway, back to replying: If I had cubic ninja at this time I would code for the 3ds, and with this unwilling attitude I and more developers might get discouraged from releasing their work for you all. Instead of saying code it yourself join yourself and learn how to code! (generally speaking)
Well the exploit might not allow full kernel access or any if you so insist but it is blocked and alternative firmware is always good even when it sucks . . .
I have no idea who or what claims that it has kernel access, altough it might talk truth, saying thing as such discouraged minds from looking into remaking the exploit, such as saying it's userland only dismissed many newcomers who might develop intrest into the scene.

Be quite or stop dismissing possibilies without proofs! Everything might be possible unless proved wrong, and I don't see any from any side those who do claim kernel access is possible and those who claim it isn't

I didn't replied to you. I said it for the majority of people who thinks SSSpwn is hiding the illuminati some kernel exploit thing.

 

[metaljay]

Y U Do Dis Y R U Inuslitng me ):

Spoderman pls, dis nt da tym 4 jkz

 

[gamesquest1]

Well, I am not exactly sure who you are replying to but if it's for me, then you clearly miss-understood me
The assumption was that SSSpwn (ninjahax) didn't allow anything other than running basic homebrew code
Meanwhile there is a claim that is does allow kernel access, and I am not claiming it does, but smealum article shows that SSSpwn doesn't allow us to see the full potential of these 2 exploits, which might even allow to avoid nintendos block .
But if none will develop such a thing, these exploits might go to waste, and I am not even considering GW as an option because at the time of writing they are nothing more than a good scoop .
More on the topic of GW fanboys if you consider 4.5 viable well , I dont because you dismiss the new 3ds awesome hardware and interface.
Anyway, back to replying: If I had cubic ninja at this time I would code for the 3ds, and with this unwilling attitude I and more developers might get discouraged from releasing their work for you all. Instead of saying code it yourself join yourself and learn how to code! (generally speaking)
Well the exploit might not allow full kernel access or any if you so insist but it is blocked and alternative firmware is always good even when it sucks . . .
I have no idea who or what claims that it has kernel access, altough it might talk truth, saying thing as such discouraged minds from looking into remaking the exploit, such as saying it's userland only dismissed many newcomers who might develop intrest into the scene.

Be quite or stop dismissing possibilies without proofs! Everything might be possible unless proved wrong, and I don't see any from any side those who do claim kernel access is possible and those who claim it isn't

well thats a backwards approach "i can say anything i like and nobody can say im chatting complete shit unless they can prove my very vaguely worded possibility"....in which case ssspwn works on the xbox one,ps4,gamecube, atari2600, and samsung smart tv's........................now go do my guess work or you cant call me wrong...ever unless you do every possible thing imaginable to each console from rubbing beans into it to firing it from a rocket into the sun

if you make a claim you prove it, thats how these things work

 

[Deleted-355425]

Spoderman pls, dis nt da tym 4 jkz

I. R baboon ?