Something really horrible.

[Shinigami357]

All comes down to your philosophy on the value of life. In my opinion people too often try and shove a human perspective on an animal. For example:

How would YOU feel if you were hunted/lured/tricked into a net only to be slaughtered as if you are nothing?
How would that make you feel? Oh, that's right, you wouldn't be feeling anything, cause you'd be DEAD.

( Oh this isn't based on the quote above, just various comments in the thread)

1. A dolphin is not a human it does not think or feel in our human capacity

2. Intelligence has nothing to do with how much pain it feels. Pain is purely to do with the nervous system, in order to remind/alert the being that they have been injured to aid survival.

3. 'Dolphins' are not endangered. Certain types of dolphin are.

4. Humans are animals...wow...Captain Obvious to the rescue.

5. No one answer is going to be correct, we are humans we all think/feel/have opinions different from each other.

In my opinion as long as the dolphins are killed humanely and a healthy population of these types of dolphins are maintained they can go about their business.

oh, so people try to make it seem that it's human, huh? and that detracts the value of a life how? what's wrong with that? you're not tellin me you are afraid of your own humanity? it's called putting things into perspective (putting yourself in one's shoes, etc) and there's nothing wrong with that. rather, it is when people stop thinking about the next guy (or animal) that the shit hits the fan.

1. how would YOU know? ever been dolphin? had an encounter with a talking one? wait, no YOU'RE aquaman? maybe you pioneered the field of dolphin neurology? and what does pain have to do with it? if i strangled your pet dog/cat (or whatever) while it was sleeping, you'd cry even if he didn't feel a darned thing, amirite?
on the subject of dogs... why do people always accept the "fact" that dogs are "smart" animals? coz they can learn tricks? coz they get the morning paper? coz they save people's lives? dolphins also learn things, they also help save people's lives and their ability to live together is far better then dogs. so why is the dog considered smart and - according to you - the dolphins aren't?

2. hmmm... i doubt you'd volunteer if i said i'd turn you into a senile old fart and then saw your foot off, to see if you feel it as much as you wold have with all your intelligence intact. like i said above, pain has nothing to do with this. it's about people doing cruel things that we are crying foul over.

3. oh, so lack of endangerment is lack of responsibility for your own damn actions now? you are implying that humans are so near-sighted they don't give a damn about other species as long as there is still a few dozen or so in some place somewhere? what exactly is the point here? you do accept the fact that so far, we have yet to find any planets with life? that dolphins might well be a unique species across the cosmos? and yet you'd wait for them to get endangered before you start to care? don't humans think always of the individual rather than the whole?

4. and your point being what, exactly? huh? did you put up point number 4 just for spite? yes, humans are animals, glad we agree on that.

5. now you're avoiding the question altogether? what, humans get to be impertinent, uncaring idiots when they don't feel a certain way about something? let me tell you something here. the reason humanity has survived up to now is because they have always found a way to compensate for differences in thinking, opinions etc (like i said, putting yourself in one's shoes). you're telling me humans can only find level ground when it concerns us, not about anything else? i think you must have a pretty low view of the human race then.


i dunno... you would think tempers wouldn't get in an uproar if the dolphins were being killed humanely right? think about this: japan is there in the pacific ocean, slightly closer to the main south-east asia landmass than, say the philippines. the surrounding waters here have a highly vast diversity of seafood. why go out of your way to kill dolphins when the person who's gonna be eating it probably won't even know it is dolphin meat? because it's "tradition"? i beg to differ. also, as far as i know, dolphins don't exactly lurk in shallow water, meaning these japanese fishermen have to be going further out, way past their territorial waters and into international territory, which would make this activity illegal.

 

[DarkShinigami]

All comes down to your philosophy on the value of life. In my opinion people too often try and shove a human perspective on an animal. For example:

How would YOU feel if you were hunted/lured/tricked into a net only to be slaughtered as if you are nothing?
How would that make you feel? Oh, that's right, you wouldn't be feeling anything, cause you'd be DEAD.

( Oh this isn't based on the quote above, just various comments in the thread)

1. A dolphin is not a human it does not think or feel in our human capacity

2. Intelligence has nothing to do with how much pain it feels. Pain is purely to do with the nervous system, in order to remind/alert the being that they have been injured to aid survival.

3. 'Dolphins' are not endangered. Certain types of dolphin are.

4. Humans are animals...wow...Captain Obvious to the rescue.

5. No one answer is going to be correct, we are humans we all think/feel/have opinions different from each other.

In my opinion as long as the dolphins are killed humanely and a healthy population of these types of dolphins are maintained they can go about their business.

i agree with you some people on this board are trying to shove their values down each others throat

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

some people on this board are trying to shove their values down each others throat

Well yeah, that's kinda the point of a debate.

 

[Raika]

i think this is a sick act, but hey, we're talking about us humans, the race that kills anything that looks delicious enough to eat *cough cannibalism*

 

[Shinigami357]

lol, shoving values down other people's throats. what, you mean we're shoving the ridiculously evil values of appreciating life and standing up against inhumane acts?

 

[Terminator02]

lol, shoving values down other people's throats. what, you mean we're shoving the ridiculously evil values of appreciating life and standing up against inhumane acts?

yep, exactly that, they're just animals that Japanese think are good for eatin'

, although they are being slaughtered a bit... extremely. Oh well, it won't last too much longer anyway caz they'll all be dead. What can we do about it?

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

What can we do about it?

We can stop it. Duh.

 

[Terminator02]

What can we do about it?

We can stop it. Duh.

plz tell me how, i will support it (unless it's one of those scam organization pieces of bs)

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

Complain about it, tell more people about it, and so forth. Shouldn't be too hard and should have a noticeable effect at least.

 

[BobTheJoeBob]

I am seriously having a hard time understanding this thread. The only person here who decided to stand against the popular opinion was banned? I agree with every word he said sans anything that could be considered flaming. Dolphins are animals, cows are animals, we are animals, we inhumanely slaughter our own, and every other animal on the face of this planet, yet people want to specifically focus on the "cute" and "demi-intellegent" one for some reason. I'm not a vegetarian, I am just ambivalent to the fact that this is the natural order of things, and if doing this to cows, chickens, pigs and a plethora of other animals, why is this not okay? It's either all alright, or none of it is. You can't just cry when you don't get your way and expect things to change, and abuse what little power you do have to people who don't agree with you.

I am of course, talking about the treatment of the Animals, not the role of the Japanese government. Mercury is mercury, you'd have to be naive to believe that a nation who's diet consists of mostly sea-food is not getting gratuitous amounts in their diet, check out their longevity if you think that it's that big of a factor.

To build onto that, what do you think is in our manufactured school meals all around the globe? What they claim, or something else to cut corners. Pffft, I'd be shocked if I haven't eaten the processed remains of at least 10 rats throughout my life.

N4RU70 FR34K was banned for being a idiot.

As for the rest of your post. If you watched the video you would see how there killing the dolphins, it's completely inhumane and almost definitely causes the dolphin a lot of pain. At least cows, chicken etc die instantly thus not feeling too much pain. And dolphin's are endangered, yet the japanese continue to kill them. Also, the people of japan are unaware that their eating dolphins.

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

At least cows, chicken etc die instantly thus not feeling too much pain.

As much as I'd like to agree, that is not true. The way they get killed varies greatly, it can be instantly, but they can also be skinned alive.

 

[BobTheJoeBob]

At least cows, chicken etc die instantly thus not feeling too much pain.

As much as I'd like to agree, that is not true. The way they get killed varies greatly, it can be instantly, but they can also be skinned alive.

Well I'm not too knowledgeable on how they get slaughtered and I have heard that some get stunned to death. But I only eat halal meat, meaning the animal dies seconds later.

 

[giratina16]

At least cows, chicken etc die instantly thus not feeling too much pain.

As much as I'd like to agree, that is not true. The way they get killed varies greatly, it can be instantly, but they can also be skinned alive.

Most animals here get stunned. For instance, they will stun a chicken then stick a knife in it's mouth and slit it's throat. Also I cant remember if it was a a cow (technically it's not a cow but oh well) or if it was a pig (could be both) but they stun it then stick a knife in its throat and let them bleed to death.

 

[_Chaz_]

The Japanese are notorious for this type of thing. It serves no purpose other than "sport" and it shouldn't be happening, but in all honesty, it looks kinda fun.

 

[BobTheJoeBob]

The Japanese are notorious for this type of thing. It serves no purpose other than "sport" and it shouldn't be happening, but in all honesty, it looks kinda fun.

I wouldn't have the stomach to stab a defenseless animal with a spear.

 

[alucard77]

Wow, I am surprised that this post took off as much as it did. It was a dead thread for a couple of days. I just posted because I was moved by watching the documentary.

For those commenting without seeing the whole documentary, I highly recommend that you watch it. It is free, and I believe it is on demand. It is on the Animal Planet and it has consistant play time, as they are releasing a new show called "blood dolphin" that follows these people trying to stop this.

Some one asked how long this is going on for, I am not 100% sure. However, the main guy said there was between 500,000 to 1,000,000 dolphin killed in this area alone. The slaughter that you see in the video happens every day between September and March. So this is a daily occurance 6 months out of the year.

Also, I would watch the special to see what is meant by the intelligence of the dolphin. They show video of the dolphins actually doing artistic things. They talk about how dolphins do things for fun. They talk about the communication between the dolphins. I mean, like another poster said, this video by itself is taken out of context.

I could see this video and say, wow how horrible. If you see the whole documentary, you realize why it is so horrible. They explain that the dolphin understands it is going to be killed. It knows what is happening. So, imagine just sitting somewhere knowing your going to die. Also, if you watch the documentary, they talk about the fact the dolphins get ulcers. That dolphins can commit suicide and so on. To me it shows a tremendous amount of intelligence.

Next, take a look at the video and note the baby dolphin that jumps out of the water to get away. The baby dolphin is slaughtered with all the rest. In any fishing you throw back the fish that are not a certain size. So that by itself is inhumane.

I don't defend meat eating, but I do eat meat. The state of the meat business is also very sad. There are documentaries about how inhumane the animals are treated as well, and how we will eventually get sick from the meat we eat as well.

But realistically, the reason behind the documentary is to do somethig somewhere to stop one thing. So it may be dolphins in this one area, and some people don't get that. But the truth is, it takes one small move to make a change. You can't change everything together.

Also, for the guy laughing at this, I doubt that you can really stand in front a scene like this and laugh. Unless laughter is a defense mechanism for you.

At least cows, chicken etc die instantly thus not feeling too much pain.

As much as I'd like to agree, that is not true. The way they get killed varies greatly, it can be instantly, but they can also be skinned alive.

Well I'm not too knowledgeable on how they get slaughtered and I have heard that some get stunned to death. But I only eat halal meat, meaning the animal dies seconds later.

Well, it depends on the farms on how the animals get stunned and killed. One documentary I saw on pigs, they have individual stalls for each pig. In its 1 year of life the pig never leaves its 6x6 stall. It literally never walks a step. They get the food in front of their face, and they shit into a stall. Upon slaughter, they get pushed onto a conveyor belt that takes the heads off of the pigs. In 20% or more of cases the Pig gets a heart attack and dies of fear from moving the couple of steps to the conveyor belt. The other 80% have no idea what is coming.

Realistically, you don't want to know how your food is made. It is all a production line. Old school farms don't exist any longer. They couldn't even exist is the farmers wanted them to. The farmers have to pay a lot of money to get these tools to create a "profitable" farm. So a lot of them when interviewed think it is horrible, but they need to do it to pay back the money. A lot would stop the method. But it is a business in the long run.

The problem with Dolphins for me, is that they kill you when you eat them. So what is the point? Why eat them.

 

[kirby145]

The problem here is that the dolphin hunters are hiding what they are doing. Sure, we kill cows and chickens but it is regulated and anyone can record the process of how its done...

But what I see from the videos is that they are not regulated, people don't even know its dolphin, and cameras are not even allowed?

 

[_Chaz_]

The Japanese are notorious for this type of thing. It serves no purpose other than "sport" and it shouldn't be happening, but in all honesty, it looks kinda fun.

I wouldn't have the stomach to stab a defenseless animal with a spear.

pffffft

 

[alucard77]

The Japanese are notorious for this type of thing. It serves no purpose other than "sport" and it shouldn't be happening, but in all honesty, it looks kinda fun.

I have gone fishing before. Me and a couple of friends caught a 450 lb. swordfish. It took us close to 3 hours to reel him in. That maybe considered some kind of sport.

The way that the fishing of dolphin happens is like this.

- The ships go out in the ocean and lay down metal lines between the ships.
- They then bang on a the line which causes a wall of noise
- The dolphins think there is this massive object approaching them so they run in the other direction, which is "cove" area
- They then net off the area so that the dolphins cannot escape
- The next morning, dolphin trainers come and buy the dolphins at $150,000 a piece
- The remaining dolphins are bought to a side cove by moving the nets
- Once the nets are set, the "fisherman" get in the boats and row to the middle of the dolphins
- Since the area is full of dolphins, you can basically blindly throw a spear in the water and hit a dolphin to kill it.

I am not sure where there is any form of "sport" in this. It is going hunting for dear in a room that is 100 x 100, and there are 100 deer in the room. Also, instead of a rifle, you have a bazooka. No real "sport there.

By the way, I think it is bullsh*t that Youtube constantly marks this inappropriate for people under 18. Why? You telling me someone younger cannot understand this. I think it is BS censorship. I know you can sign on, but how many people are going to sign on to see a video?

I just changed the link on the main page again.

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

Nearly everyone on YT has an account of 18+, or is willing to create one to see a video (at least that's what I did before knowing there was no porn).

To be honest I don't even know why those exist, because it's not like there's any porn on YouTube.