Someone pls explain why Democrats don't want ICE contacted if illegal aliens attempt to buy guns

[Tigran]

We have guns to protect ourselves from criminals and a tyrannical government.

Then why hasn't someone used it on the police, ice and Trump yet?

 

[Lacius]

You're pretty well off-topic, but the demographics of 'mass shooters' isn't that different from the population distribution*, i.e. about 70% of the USA population is caucasian, so it follows that the majority of 'mass shooters' would also be caucasian. Almost all murderers in Japan are Japanese. "Mass shooters" account for a very small percentage of gun deaths, anyway. Want to talk about the demographics for gun crime generally? Make a thread.


https://www.statista.com/statistics/476456/mass-shootings-in-the-us-by-shooter-s-race/

It should be noted that legal residents are more likely to commit violent crime than illegal residents.

Nice argument.



I don't have any information that says that, and neither do you. It's just your assumption. But even if so, so what? It isn't going to specifically target illegals, the majority of times this offense is committed it's a convicted felon or person with a domestic violence conviction who lies by saying their record is clean.

The amendment specifically lists ICE, even though it didn't have to. ICE = immigration.

Edit: You can also look at how this is being reported, if you're not convinced this amendment is about immigration.

 

[PanTheFaun]

Then why hasn't someone used it on the police, ice and Trump yet?

In what way should someone use a gun against them?

 

[Hanafuda]

The amendment specifically lists ICE, even though it didn't have to. ICE = immigration.

So, ICE shouldn't be notified when an illegal/undocumented person commits a crime? Ok.

 

[Tigran]

You figure it out. You said it was for Tyrannical government.

 

[Lacius]

So, ICE shouldn't be notified when an illegal/undocumented person commits a crime? Ok.

I'd go a step further and say ICE should be abolished, but I'm glad we agree.

 

[LowEndC]

lol
youre still asking about why democrats do the things they do?
you should know better

 

[PanTheFaun]

You figure it out. You said it was for Tyrannical government.

The militia will act when they feel it is appropriate.

 

[RaptorDMG]

We have guns to protect ourselves from criminals and a tyrannical government.

Well if guns were illegal it would be harder to obtain them for criminals and they would be in lower numbers and the arguement about fighting the government is pointless as it relies 100% with the military being on your side afterall 100k people with guns vs 100's tanks, airforce etc would likely be a one sided fight

 

[Hanafuda]

Then why hasn't someone used it on the police, ice and Trump yet?

There's an old saying, "When you just can't take the tyranny anymore and run out your front door, rifle in hand and ready for the revolution ... if none of your neighbors are there and also ready for war, go back inside."


So when that guy shot a bunch of cops dead in Dallas a few years ago (a black mass shooter, btw @Tigran) ... that was premature.

 

[LowEndC]

The militia will act when they feel it is appropriate.

except, the militia, which at the moment is part of the older generation, and they aren't aware of the psyops that go on and the bio manipulation that is happening.

we should of moved decades ago...

 

[erikas]

There is no worse law, than a law that stops you from protecting yourself.

 

[IncredulousP]

who lies by saying their record is clean.

This is the illegal part. Let me get this straight, you are advocating that ALL failed background checks be reported, falsified or not? Or just ones where the applicant lied (which is a crime)? As I understand, it's not illegal to simply fail a background check, so why report it if the applicant was completely truthful?

 

[PanTheFaun]

Well if guns were illegal it would be harder to obtain them for criminals and they would be in lower numbers and the arguement about fighting the government is pointless as it relies 100% with the military being on your side afterall 100k people with guns vs 100's tanks, airforce etc would likely be a one sided fight

No. People who obey the law should be able to use their guns as a way to protect themselves from those who don't. If guns were banned it wouldn't stop criminals from using them. The United States defeated Britain and we had a huge disadvantage.

 

[Tigran]

I didn't claim Blacks never mass shoot. I never claimed blacks, or undocumented aliens didn't commit crimes. But false equivalence is getting very old.

I also find it funny that people are whining about this, when most gun advocates don't even want universal background checks to begin with.

 

[Clydefrosch]

Why do you guys always have to bring your political bs into my videogame forums?

And why do you guys always insist that the anti-migrant parties law proposals aren't at all in pursuit of their anti-migrant agenda?

 

[Tigran]

No. People who obey the law should be able to use their guns as a way to protect themselves from those who don't. If guns were banned it wouldn't stop criminals from using them. The United States defeated Britain and we had a huge disadvantage.

I'd also like to remind you that the Boston Tea party was nothing in reality but a cowardice act of terrorism.

 

[Clydefrosch]

No. People who obey the law should be able to use their guns as a way to protect themselves from those who don't. If guns were banned it wouldn't stop criminals from using them. The United States defeated Britain and we had a huge disadvantage.

and one huge advantage. you didn't need to ship your way into the fucking landmass first.

 

[Hanafuda]

This is the illegal part. Let me get this straight, you are advocating that ALL failed background checks be reported, falsified or not? Or just ones where the applicant lied (which is a crime)? As I understand, it's not illegal to simply fail a background check, so why report it if the applicant was completely truthful?

Have you ever purchased a firearm from an FFL and completed the 4473? You cannot attempt to make the purchase without turning in a completed 4473. You cannot complete the 4473 without representing that you are legally eligible and not prohibited from purchasing. The background check is not run until you complete the form and all your answers say you are good to buy.

 

[mstephens1984]

The response of a 4473 background check only says pass or denied. There is now way to know now will there ever be for the employee running the check to see what particular issue, and I say issue because it can be an issue and nothing more. Further more, a valid state Id is required to run the 4473, of which the state government of that area felt it was worth issuing to the said individuals. The firearms store employee has no way to know if a crime has been committed, nor any onus to report on an event that is not considered a crime.