So much for dns blocking

Discussion in 'Wii U - Hacking & Backup Loaders' started by Trumpasaurus, Aug 2, 2017.

  1. Trumpasaurus
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    I didn't think I'd have to resort to deleting the update folder as some have suggested. I had it set to "no automatic updates", no standby, and all of the other settings you're supposed to have. I only had one connection set (not multiple connection setups) so I no I didn't accidentally log into the wrong one.

    My Primary DNS was set to 168.235.092.108 and my secondary DNS was set to 035.164.240.189. I've been seeing the system update from Nintendo fail to install this past week, so I figured it was working. However, I booted up my system today and it is on the newest firmware.

    Nintendo is ridiculous. If you select NOT to install system updates, you shouldn't be forced to. The fact that we have to change the DNS at all is ridiculous. Think of all of the systems you own. They don't force updates on you. OSX, Windows, Xbox, and PS4: none of them force updates unless you try to proceed with something that requires a newer version and it STILL gives you the option to choose not to update and terminates the selected process.
    Even the 3DS doesn't stealth install updates. It just sends nag prompts.
    Fuck Nintendo for doing that on Wii U. I should have deleted that update folder when I had a chance...
     
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  2. MattKimura

    MattKimura 3DS & WiiU Enthusiast

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    That option to not receive software has nothing to do with system updates. There's no real way of disabling the automatic system updates, which is why we use DNS in the first place. The 3DS is the only system that asks to update, but not the Wii U. And most likely the Switch has automatic updates as well because it's better security.

    I have my updates folder deleted so no updates can get to me. But last night I looked at my internet settings and the DNS was set to Auto obtain, even though I set the DNS the other day! I heard someone mention that this happened to them, I don't know what causes it to change on it's own. For the most part the DNS works, it's rare that this happens.
    I don't really need the DNS myself, I just leave it up anyways.
     
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    DNS should be:

    TitleDNS "The Netherlands" (081.004.127.020)
    TitleDNS "Los Angeles" (168.235.092.108)
     
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    Why would that apply to him if he is in the USA?:blink:
     
  5. MattKimura

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    Both DNS work, though since he's from USA he should use the Los Angeles one as primary. Using both DNS is good because if one goes out, the other one will become usable. So leave the Netherlands DNS as secondary, it's a good backup plan.
     
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    Well it worked fine here, No update!
     
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    It happened to a friend too. Just buy kawashima brain training (or get it for free who can) and install haxchi.
    maybe when both DNS dont work at a time or are busy, it jumps back to automatic? I set the DNS and it is fine.
     
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    same thing just happened to me as well. had my dns settings up for blocking updates, and last night i get a store change notice, which i thought was weird. just booted my system up, and says 5.5.2. downloading crunchyroll now for the next deal
     
  9. Lacius

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    The only way a Wii U can accidentally update to 5.5.2 is human error.

    The DNS settings should be as follows:
    The only times I've seen these fail are when they aren't entered properly, the user waits too long before entering the DNS settings, and/or the user sets up a different internet connection without setting up the update-blocking DNS settings.

    People should also delete the update folder from the NAND in order to block updates: https://gbatemp.net/threads/block-wii-u-system-updates-without-dns-blocking.477944/

    Installing Haxchi is also a good way to make sure one still has homebrew access in the case of an accidental update.
     
  10. mrjoshuaco

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    Think of DNS like an internet phone book (a crude analogy). For the purposes of this discussion, the physical location is only relevant when you're considering response time (ie - how long it takes the request to be received and answered). Since these particular servers have the effective function of returning bogus Nintendo update server information (update.nintendo.com = xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx vs yyy.yyy.yyy.yyy), we use them regardless of end-point location, since other, more local DNS servers would return accurate information (as they should), which is what we want to avoid in this instance.
     
  11. Trumpasaurus
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    Good to know it's rare. I checked after the update and DNS was still set to manual. Oh well I have CBHC. Just wanted a desirable firmware in case I ever wanted to start from scratch.

    Yes, I agree. DNS blocking is not 100%. Only way to be sure is to delete that update folder. Router blocking would also be 99.99% effective. Then again, I wouldn't put it past Nintendo to throw out a surprise URL just to shake things up. Kek
     
  12. Lacius

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    Assuming something isn't done server-side, DNS blocking should be 100% effective if done properly.

    In my opinion, this is the best way, but I wouldn't use it as the only way.

    Considering the router variety that exists, and its effects on other Nintendo services, this is not a method I recommend. It's definitely not a method I recommend using without other backup methods.

    In order for any new URL's to work, the system would first have to be updated to become aware of the new URL's.
     
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    I feel a little better I'm not alone.
    Hey, at least we took precautions. I guess DNS is like condoms. Only 98% effective against pregnancy. Now, my Wii U is pregnant with 5.5.2.
    Or would a better analogy be that 5.5.2 is a STD?
     
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  14. Lacius

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    I like the analogy because the failure rate is due to human error.
     
  15. GerbilSoft

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    I take it you don't use Windows 10.
     
  16. Lacius

    Lacius GBAtemp Guru

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    The default behavior of Windows is to install updates without asking, but that behavior can at least be changed without having to block URL's, employ DNS settings, etc.
     
  17. GerbilSoft

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    Not on Windows 10. You have to use all sorts of third-party hacks to attempt to stop forced updates, and most of those hacks will get reverted if you upgrade to a new major release.

    Windows 10 "Pro" has an option to "delay" updates, but not to simply cancel them.
     
  18. Lacius

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    Windows 10 Pro has a Group Policy option to have the same Windows Updates settings as previous versions of Windows.
    You are absolutely correct about non-Pro versions of Windows 10.
     
  19. godreborn

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    u might also try this as an alternative to dns blocking: https://gbatemp.net/threads/tutoria...tes-and-play-online-with-ccproxy-easy.369720/

    I wrote a tutorial (on psx-place) on this as well, but this one has pictures. note: u won't be able to access the eshop at all with this even if using nnu patcher, so it's higher protection really. what I'd suggest is to manually input an ip in order to use ftpii everywhere or something with ease and to input the dns servers into the dns section. that way, whenever u want to access the eshop, u can just turn the proxy off. this is something u can do if your router doesn't allow for blocking urls. you'll have full control over everything. as long as your pc is on, you'll be blocking updates; if the pc is off, you won't be able to connect to the internet at all, so you're safe in either scenario. good luck.
     
  20. OrGoN3

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    Or just set secondary to 127.0.0.1 just in case the primary fails.