Settlement in George Hotz Case

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MEGAMANTROTSKY said:
xfcrowman said:
Regardless of what anyone thinks of geohot, I think that this whole episode may change how people release their work.

Any future releases of exploits, homebrew, or piracy should be done as anonymously as possible, or released publicly in a country where the laws are favorable to hackers and not corporations.
I agree with your statements about anonymous releases after this case. In that perspective, the case has indeed set a precedent: hackers will now have to guard their identities more closely to defend themselves. Contrary to FAST6191, I don't think that it's a positive development that one has to remain anonymous under threat of "law". It's not that hacker names are bad, but they shouldn't be the only option of taking credit. Personally, this settlement does not come across to me as anything other than a loss. Hotz is perma-banned from hacking Sony products, and the community will have to be far more cautious than they did before to avoid legal persecution from Sony. At the very least, it is certainly not a "tie," as some others have said.

Upon rereading my post I agree I could have used better phrasing in it. Suffice it to say I too am a great fan of security research/reverse engineering and having to have it as something of a cloak and dagger affair courtesy of the (civil) law as opposed to the vast majority of other areas of research is not something I am fond of in the slightest (if nothing else it looked like a lot of work was repeated by different people). If it was not already evident I would even go so far as to say in this case Sony overstepped the mark in a big way and will certainly second the idea of it being an example of the law being used to persecute.
 

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SPH73 said:
Hey Mods, what's with all the censorship?

Seriously whomever is moderating this topic really needs to lose their moderator privilidges. There was nothing offensive about any of these posts. Simply people speaking their minds. You might not agree with what I have to say, and I might not agree with some of my oppenents, but there's NOTHING wrong with this conversation and you're acting like a censor happy goon.
Discussion is good, but most of the time yours is just mindless fanatism blinded by anti-Sony hate. Tone that down, otherwise I'll keep trashing your posts, since it's just blatant flamebait.
 

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well, sony wasted millions of dollars destroying their reputation by showing themselves to be an inherently anti-consumer company.

this just in: "the ps4 will come equipped with a finger-print scanner which must be activated in order to turn on the system. upon first use of their system, users will be greeted with a welcome screen that asks them to firmly place their index finger on the finger-printing apparatus whereupon their finger will be scanned, and a scanned imagine will be uploaded to sony's fingerprint upload database or (SFUS) or sony's fu database."
 

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SPH73 said:
And Geohot created 1000s of PS3 hackers by sharing his information with the world.

Again, Pandora's box. Sony lost. That's basically it.What does it feel like to be wrong every time you open your mouth?

Geohot didn't make ANY hackers.
He might have assisted SOME, but the "1000s" of people using apps derived from his works are not hackers.



QUOTE(WiiBricker @ Apr 11 2011, 06:39 PM) I'm just sayin that it's theoreticly possible to build 100% secure stuff. It's unprobable that such thing will ever be made, but you cant say thats impossible.

Proof? Try hacking an account of someone who has a password like this:

$6tgxgwt55(hztr$$456788jbbFhhZGgg5%%%0=9876563"Ggggztgfxw
gztr54$$$5612§46ujnbvcÜijiuuuuuuuu8ez26stg2666666&%43wwzyya$$$561
2§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$
$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46
ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$56
12§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb
gggztgfxwgztr54$$$gggztgfxwgztr54$$$gggztgfxwgztr54$$$gggztgfxwgztr54
$$$gggztgfxwgztr54$$$gggztgfxwgztr54$$$bFhhZGgg5%%%0=9876563"Ggg
gztgfxwgztr54$$$5612§46ujnbvcÜijiuuuuuuuu8ez26stg2666666&%43wwzyya
$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§4
6ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5
612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb
$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§4
6ujnbgggztgfxwgztr54$$bFhhZGgg5%%%0=9876563"Ggggztgfxwgztr54$$$56
12§46ujnbvcÜijiuuuuuuuu8ez26stg2666666&%43wwzyya$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5
612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb
$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§4
6ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$56
12§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnbgggztgfxwgztr54$
$bFhhZGgg5%%%0=9876563"Ggggztgfxwgztr54$$$5612§46ujnbvcÜijiuuuuuuu
u8ez26stg2666666&%43wwzyya$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46
ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$561
2§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$
$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46uj
nb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnbgggztgfxwgztr54$$
Except it's not.


You make the mistake of thinking the only only way to gain access to the account would be with a password which is 100% WRONG, so your proof is proof of your ignorance on the subject.
 

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RockmanForte said:
personuser said:
BobTheJoeBob said:
I wonder what this means for the future.
absolutely nothing. We're literally back to square one.

How do you know ? You are not psychic anyway. We shall wait and see.
I don't thik one has to be Psychic to see into the past (to a certain extent).
 

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twiztidsinz said:
You make the mistake of thinking the only only way to gain access to the account would be with a password which is 100% WRONG, so your proof is proof of your ignorance on the subject.

Insulting someone again? Hm..I think you are the kind of person that doesnt know otherwise. Drink some milk and relax kid.
 

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WiiBricker said:
twiztidsinz said:
You make the mistake of thinking the only only way to gain access to the account would be with a password which is 100% WRONG, so your proof is proof of your ignorance on the subject.

Insulting someone again? Hm..I think you are the kind of person that doesnt know otherwise. Drink some milk and relax kid.
Except he didn't insult you, he's just saying you're wrong.
 

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WiiBricker said:
twiztidsinz said:
You make the mistake of thinking the only only way to gain access to the account would be with a password which is 100% WRONG, so your proof is proof of your ignorance on the subject.

Insulting someone again? Hm..I think you are the kind of person that doesnt know otherwise. Drink some milk and relax kid.
Calling someone wrong is not an insult... especially when they're wrong.
Which makes you wrong again.
 

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dgwillia said:
So basically.......Sony not only managed to completely own Hotz, but they managed to make him make himself look like a douche for bailing to South America off money people donated?

I guess you can "Kinda" call that a win......aside from all the money they wasted, and the fact that all the hacking has already been done/spreaded across the net

People like you will actually bring a downfall to the world in 2012. Seriously, the stupidity, it's just... unbelievable.

They didn't "own" Hotz.
They didn't make him look like a douche for bailing. He had a paid vacation during Spring Break, because that's what college students do. No money people donated were used.

Nobody wins. Hotz should just be thankful that Sony didn't pay the courts more money to get away with more bullshit stuff.
 

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purechaos996 said:
So it was basically a tie. Sony got what they wanted which was to slap around the community to make a impression, and hotz didnt go to jail or forced to pay a huge amount of money to sony.

So it was basically pointless.

It was a civil suit, not a criminal case, he wasn't going to jail regardless.
 

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twiztidsinz said:
WiiBricker said:
twiztidsinz said:
You make the mistake of thinking the only only way to gain access to the account would be with a password which is 100% WRONG, so your proof is proof of your ignorance on the subject.

Insulting someone again? Hm..I think you are the kind of person that doesnt know otherwise. Drink some milk and relax kid.
Calling someone wrong is not an insult... especially when they're wrong.
Which makes you wrong again.

Calling someone ignorant who even dont know who you are is not an insult to you? You really have some balls. Again, relax.
 

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WiiBricker said:
twiztidsinz said:
WiiBricker said:
twiztidsinz said:
You make the mistake of thinking the only only way to gain access to the account would be with a password which is 100% WRONG, so your proof is proof of your ignorance on the subject.

Insulting someone again? Hm..I think you are the kind of person that doesnt know otherwise. Drink some milk and relax kid.
Calling someone wrong is not an insult... especially when they're wrong.
Which makes you wrong again.

Calling someone ignorant who even dont know who you are is not an insult to you? You really have some balls. Again, relax.

Gaming forum on the internet. Relax.
 

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well i gave up hacking and cfw im selling my 3k once i flash 6.35 ofw on it and my xbox 360 will not be hacked and good thing sony didn't ban me on psn even if i hate them
 

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ShadowSoldier said:
WiiBricker said:
twiztidsinz said:
WiiBricker said:
twiztidsinz said:
You make the mistake of thinking the only only way to gain access to the account would be with a password which is 100% WRONG, so your proof is proof of your ignorance on the subject.

Insulting someone again? Hm..I think you are the kind of person that doesnt know otherwise. Drink some milk and relax kid.
Calling someone wrong is not an insult... especially when they're wrong.
Which makes you wrong again.

Calling someone ignorant who even dont know who you are is not an insult to you? You really have some balls. Again, relax.

GamingTrolling forum on the internet. Relax.

Fixed.
 

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I'd tell all of you to relax, but it won't have any effect. Why don't we all move back on topic?

Edit: What Duskye said.
 

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WiiBricker said:
ShadowSoldier said:
WiiBricker said:
twiztidsinz said:
WiiBricker said:
twiztidsinz said:
You make the mistake of thinking the only only way to gain access to the account would be with a password which is 100% WRONG, so your proof is proof of your ignorance on the subject.

Insulting someone again? Hm..I think you are the kind of person that doesnt know otherwise. Drink some milk and relax kid.
Calling someone wrong is not an insult... especially when they're wrong.
Which makes you wrong again.

Calling someone ignorant who even dont know who you are is not an insult to you? You really have some balls. Again, relax.

GamingTrolling forum on the internet. Relax.

Fixed.
Will all of u calm the hell down!?
 

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WiiBricker said:
I'm just sayin that it's theoreticly possible to build 100% secure stuff. It's unprobable that such thing will ever be made, but you cant say thats impossible.

Proof? Try hacking an account of someone who has a password like this:

$6tgxgwt55(hztr$$456788jbbFhhZGgg5%%%0=9876563"Ggggztgfxw
gztr54$$$5612§46ujnbvcÜijiuuuuuuuu8ez26stg2666666&%43wwzyya$$$561
2§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$
$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46
ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$56
12§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb
gggztgfxwgztr54$$$gggztgfxwgztr54$$$gggztgfxwgztr54$$$gggztgfxwgztr54
$$$gggztgfxwgztr54$$$gggztgfxwgztr54$$$bFhhZGgg5%%%0=9876563"Ggg
gztgfxwgztr54$$$5612§46ujnbvcÜijiuuuuuuuu8ez26stg2666666&%43wwzyya
$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§4
6ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5
612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb
$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§4
6ujnbgggztgfxwgztr54$$bFhhZGgg5%%%0=9876563"Ggggztgfxwgztr54$$$56
12§46ujnbvcÜijiuuuuuuuu8ez26stg2666666&%43wwzyya$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5
612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb
$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§4
6ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$56
12§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnbgggztgfxwgztr54$
$bFhhZGgg5%%%0=9876563"Ggggztgfxwgztr54$$$5612§46ujnbvcÜijiuuuuuuu
u8ez26stg2666666&%43wwzyya$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46
ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$561
2§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$
$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46uj
nb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnbgggztgfxwgztr54$$
i'm not a cryptology or hacking expert, but that password is certainly not 100% secure.
i see a lot of patterns/repeats which probably aren't that good for security, and a password can never be 100% secure.
at best this is like 99.9999(...)% secure.
if the security in the password verification system is good enough you'll need a lot of luck to crack it.
if there's no proper login-count protection all you need is enough time and a decent computer to do a little brute-forcing..
 

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thedicemaster said:
WiiBricker said:
I'm just sayin that it's theoreticly possible to build 100% secure stuff. It's unprobable that such thing will ever be made, but you cant say thats impossible.

Proof? Try hacking an account of someone who has a password like this:

$6tgxgwt55(hztr$$456788jbbFhhZGgg5%%%0=9876563"Ggggztgfxw
gztr54$$$5612§46ujnbvcÜijiuuuuuuuu8ez26stg2666666&%43wwzyya$$$561
2§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$
$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46
ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$56
12§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb
gggztgfxwgztr54$$$gggztgfxwgztr54$$$gggztgfxwgztr54$$$gggztgfxwgztr54
$$$gggztgfxwgztr54$$$gggztgfxwgztr54$$$bFhhZGgg5%%%0=9876563"Ggg
gztgfxwgztr54$$$5612§46ujnbvcÜijiuuuuuuuu8ez26stg2666666&%43wwzyya
$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§4
6ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5
612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb
$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§4
6ujnbgggztgfxwgztr54$$bFhhZGgg5%%%0=9876563"Ggggztgfxwgztr54$$$56
12§46ujnbvcÜijiuuuuuuuu8ez26stg2666666&%43wwzyya$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5
612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb
$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§4
6ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$56
12§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnbgggztgfxwgztr54$
$bFhhZGgg5%%%0=9876563"Ggggztgfxwgztr54$$$5612§46ujnbvcÜijiuuuuuuu
u8ez26stg2666666&%43wwzyya$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46
ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$561
2§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$
$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46uj
nb$$$5612§46ujnb$$$5612§46ujnbgggztgfxwgztr54$$
i'm not a cryptology or hacking expert, but that password is certainly not 100% secure.
i see a lot of patterns/repeats which probably aren't that good for security, and a password can never be 100% secure.
at best this is like 99.9999(...)% secure.
if the security in the password verification system is good enough you'll need a lot of luck to crack it.
if there's no proper login-count protection all you need is enough time and a decent computer to do a little brute-forcing..

Ya, I did a lof of repeats because I was to lazy to type a more complex password, but you get the point
tongue.gif

But again, this example of a passwort is probably more complex than the 3DS private key and whenever someone attempt to post something about trying to brute force the 3DS key or any other keys people who know their stuff (hackers) are immediately making fun of those people. Even if you combine all computers in the world together you probably would not have been alive anymore IF the key got cracked.
 

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So in other words: settlement, both sides did not gain much, geohotz have to pay for each new hack he makes towards Sony of america, etc. etc.
So way are people having arguements now?
 
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