(PSA) Stop the Gatehate

Discussion in '3DS - Flashcards & Custom Firmwares' started by NiggomBiggom, Jun 26, 2016.

  1. NiggomBiggom
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    hi im a gateway owner and i've been a forum stalker since maybe 2015 and when i look around these forums i keep seeing negative behavior and toxicity toward everyone

    everyone is always telling people to trash their cards and stuff like that, and it has to end! seriously! let me round up every single thing people say about gateway and flame them with great haste.

    ok so, everyone talks about throwing their gateway away or burning it, but isn't that a little extreme? think about the good times, when you weren't part of the high number of people who say flashcards are obsolete? why would you throw something that you spent 40 dollars or more on and is still in decent condition?? at the very least, immortalize it, sit it on a desk, or maybe even sell it. who should care about your decisions, or better yet, who should force your decisions on you? that's gotta be one of the worse things.

    i'd also like to bring awareness to something, and that's brick code. now, i'm not at all saying that brick code isn't wrong in any way, shape, or form, but i have at least 2 things to say, i think. one, i honestly don't understand how anyone can say that anyone who bricked was an 'unsuspecting user', because for one, anyone with some good suspicion should find it shady that one company is basically getting their stuff from a completely unrelated company and honestly, gateway had a disclaimer in the release post anyways, and you had to go to THEIR website to download the launcher... at this point i think it's safe to say that the user wasn't unsuspecting, i think it's a case of maybe.. what's that term that people use to say that a9lh doesn't cause bricks? yeah, user error. and now, before you start instantly typing "but any company who intentionally bricks users is tripe, toxic, shitty, and is basically the scum of the earth" or "brick code is reason enough to throw your gateshit in the damn trash" let's think of another company that's guilty of literally the same exact thing. they might be familiar too, because they manufactured the pieces of plastic that we all seem to love arguing about over the Internet. that's right, Nintendo. if any company is reason enough to throw an entire product away, wouldn't it be safe to just you know throw away all our Nintendo products? see Nintendo implemented a brick code in their 4.2 update on the Wii. however this targeted one type of Wii, which was Korean region changed Wiis. it wasn't an accident or anything, either. according to wiibrew,
    i really don't think it was an accident. now we all need to understand that in no way is brick code morally correct, or even correct from a business standpoint, but what i'm getting at here is that everyone is fighting against for the wrong reasons.

    i think the last thing i need to talk about is stolen code. it's safe to say that the gateway team is decently skilled i guess, but this mindset that we've all adapted has basically lead us all to believe that literally anything the team puts out is stolen from another source, because they share similar ideas. now i'm not gonna forgive gateway for ripping off 9.6 on n3ds, but at this point every accusation that the gateway team gets, for the most part, about stolen code is essentially a shitpost. they say that gateway's a9lh is a carbon cut copy of delebile's, but wouldn't you call something like that a fork? i can't say much about this, but for anyone's version of a9lh, they fork from another user right? people have also claimed that the gateway time machine steals code from justpingo's kernel time machine, simply because of the name. there is absolutely no proof of this whatsoever. no proof exists of this being the case. a final thing i'd like to bring up is that, the 3ds scene might not have come so far if not for gateway, since some major exploits wouldn't be publicly available if not for reverse engineering, and i'd like to see you quote 3dbrew, and tell me about all these closed source devs who didn't and wouldn't have released any exploits they had, making them essentially useless.

    something else i wanted to bring up was their a9lh implementation in the first place. something we seem to forget is that gateway has had nand tools for like, ever. if you brick, you could restore your nand, so it's basically the same as everyone's glorified brick protection, right? and no, your console is never really 'married to gateway' even if you lose your cart, you can just restore a backup. people have been doing that for free since 2014. with this section I'd also like to stress that no, you really shouldn't use gateway's a9lh implementation, it really is unstable right now. wait for a full release. and right now, there are way better alternatives, since gateway has made available their arm9loaderhax.bin.

    final thoughts, i suppose. there are legitimate problems with gateway, and we can all accept that, i think. but most of what everyone thinks is mainly a misconception. really we should be fighting for the right reasons here, guys. gateway has affected devs in the past like d0k3, who literally said himself that it's a pain to keep compatibility between all workable cfws, but it's worse with gateway since they still run outdated stuff. or the fragmented ctrnand thing with their 4.x downgrade. these are legitimate problems that we need to fight to get fixed, rather than waste our time arguing over dumb shit like who's cheat engine is better or who bricks users, or who's piece of plastic is far superior to anyone else's. i think we can all agree that users of each need not fight, but unify. when gateway users are fine with just gateway, let them be. when cfw users are fine with just cfw, let them be. when gw and cfw users get along, then all is well, i think. yeah.
     
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  2. Sora Takihawa

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    yes man youre right i didnt understood that shit too
     
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  3. CreAtor135

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    Yeah, totally. The 3DS flashcards/custom firmwares forum as a whole is degenerating. While there are a handful of talented devs who contribute, there are so many more who circlejerk. It really sucks.
     
  4. GalladeGuy

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    Go back to your own site, stupid Gateway sales representative. Gateway cards are pieces of shit, along with their entire company. Whether the whole CFW community is just as shitty is a different discussion. Using a Gateway card is dangerous, pointless, and unsafe. Everything that Gateway does, CFW does 3 times better. While it may be true that they were around first, and there is nothing wrong with being grateful for that, they are just flat-out obsolete.
     
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  5. Reecey

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    I do agree I think like myself when you had an O3DS/O3DSXL between 410 - 510 Gateway where like gods back then, know one could have enough good things to say about them but now since the 3ds scene has exploded with CFW no one gives a damn anymore for GW which is a real shame tbh. People need to not forget their routes and without Gateway we would of never had any sort of rom loading back then! I love Gateway and I have always stuck with them, always use my card still, always use emunand, its safe and works.
     
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  6. Kliffcom

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    yeah right every CFW has .3ds loading :rofl2:
     
  7. GalladeGuy

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    Except .3ds loading is completely useless, since installing CIAs is faster and safer.
     
  8. CreAtor135

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    This is exactly the toxic behavior that op was talking about. No one says anything really constructive, it's always this same repetitive copypasta.
     
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  9. Kliffcom

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    Yeah, write it impossible to brick a system with a .CIA, but with a .3ds its extremely easy (impossible). And to copy a 2gb file to an SD card takes way longer than installing it with the slow CIA managers...:rofl2:
     
  10. EmuAGR

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    Never!
     
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  11. vb_encryption_vb

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    Eh...i dont care for gateway, but this statement is not correct. You dont install .3ds files... they just boot.

    Gw is shit though.
     
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    Just curious, how is installing CIA faster and safer? (been away from the scene for a long time) and installing them seems to take quite a while? 3ds can just drag and drop using GW.
    and how long do you take to install CIA nowadays?
     
  13. GalladeGuy

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    You're right, it is impossible to brick a system with a CIA. It's called emuNAND. And installing a CIA through freeShop is faster than copying a file to your SD Card in most cases. Not to mention the fact that you can't get banned for using a CIA, unlike a .3ds.
     
  14. TheKingy34

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    CFW > Gatewait.
     
  15. GalladeGuy

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    With FBI V2 and freeShop it is extremely fast to install CIAs, and you don't need to use your SD Card at all because you can install from network.

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    And CIAs are much safer to use compared to .3ds files, because you don't have to worry about being banned for using a public header.
     
  16. Kibido

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    Guess who you have to thank for the first emuNAND.
     
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    It's the same copypasta because it is completely true and some people just fail to accept it.

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    It's shit like this that really pisses me off. It's like saying you want to cross a body of water, but instead of using a far superior speed boat, you'd rather use a raft because it was the first form of water travel.
     
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  18. Kliffcom

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    You can also install .CIA on gateway cfw. You can brick you emunand even its not a big deal. Gateway contribute a lot back in the days even replace broken 3ds. Their is no real reason to hate gateway and fill the forum with this shit. The point of the thread is that you sould stop hating gateway gateway to keep the forum clean. (even gbatemps review points out that the card was really great)
     
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  19. Kibido

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    Some people just need to find a different hobby or simply grow the fuck up. Babbling shit and hate towards a goddamn plastic flashcard for a gameboy as if it ruined your life is just low.
     
  20. GalladeGuy

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    And how are you guys keeping the forum clean by making these shitposts about Gateway. It is obsolete. Just accept it, and we wouldn't need to have this discussion about why you shouldn't use Gateway. Just because it works doesn't mean you should use it. You're not going to cross the Mediterranean Sea with a raft if you have access to a speed boat just because you'll eventually reach the other side.