hi im a gateway owner and i've been a forum stalker since maybe 2015 and when i look around these forums i keep seeing negative behavior and toxicity toward everyone everyone is always telling people to trash their cards and stuff like that, and it has to end! seriously! let me round up every single thing people say about gateway and flame them with great haste. ok so, everyone talks about throwing their gateway away or burning it, but isn't that a little extreme? think about the good times, when you weren't part of the high number of people who say flashcards are obsolete? why would you throw something that you spent 40 dollars or more on and is still in decent condition?? at the very least, immortalize it, sit it on a desk, or maybe even sell it. who should care about your decisions, or better yet, who should force your decisions on you? that's gotta be one of the worse things. i'd also like to bring awareness to something, and that's brick code. now, i'm not at all saying that brick code isn't wrong in any way, shape, or form, but i have at least 2 things to say, i think. one, i honestly don't understand how anyone can say that anyone who bricked was an 'unsuspecting user', because for one, anyone with some good suspicion should find it shady that one company is basically getting their stuff from a completely unrelated company and honestly, gateway had a disclaimer in the release post anyways, and you had to go to THEIR website to download the launcher... at this point i think it's safe to say that the user wasn't unsuspecting, i think it's a case of maybe.. what's that term that people use to say that a9lh doesn't cause bricks? yeah, user error. and now, before you start instantly typing "but any company who intentionally bricks users is tripe, toxic, shitty, and is basically the scum of the earth" or "brick code is reason enough to throw your gateshit in the damn trash" let's think of another company that's guilty of literally the same exact thing. they might be familiar too, because they manufactured the pieces of plastic that we all seem to love arguing about over the Internet. that's right, Nintendo. if any company is reason enough to throw an entire product away, wouldn't it be safe to just you know throw away all our Nintendo products? see Nintendo implemented a brick code in their 4.2 update on the Wii. however this targeted one type of Wii, which was Korean region changed Wiis. it wasn't an accident or anything, either. according to wiibrew, i really don't think it was an accident. now we all need to understand that in no way is brick code morally correct, or even correct from a business standpoint, but what i'm getting at here is that everyone is fighting against for the wrong reasons. i think the last thing i need to talk about is stolen code. it's safe to say that the gateway team is decently skilled i guess, but this mindset that we've all adapted has basically lead us all to believe that literally anything the team puts out is stolen from another source, because they share similar ideas. now i'm not gonna forgive gateway for ripping off 9.6 on n3ds, but at this point every accusation that the gateway team gets, for the most part, about stolen code is essentially a shitpost. they say that gateway's a9lh is a carbon cut copy of delebile's, but wouldn't you call something like that a fork? i can't say much about this, but for anyone's version of a9lh, they fork from another user right? people have also claimed that the gateway time machine steals code from justpingo's kernel time machine, simply because of the name. there is absolutely no proof of this whatsoever. no proof exists of this being the case. a final thing i'd like to bring up is that, the 3ds scene might not have come so far if not for gateway, since some major exploits wouldn't be publicly available if not for reverse engineering, and i'd like to see you quote 3dbrew, and tell me about all these closed source devs who didn't and wouldn't have released any exploits they had, making them essentially useless. something else i wanted to bring up was their a9lh implementation in the first place. something we seem to forget is that gateway has had nand tools for like, ever. if you brick, you could restore your nand, so it's basically the same as everyone's glorified brick protection, right? and no, your console is never really 'married to gateway' even if you lose your cart, you can just restore a backup. people have been doing that for free since 2014. with this section I'd also like to stress that no, you really shouldn't use gateway's a9lh implementation, it really is unstable right now. wait for a full release. and right now, there are way better alternatives, since gateway has made available their arm9loaderhax.bin. final thoughts, i suppose. there are legitimate problems with gateway, and we can all accept that, i think. but most of what everyone thinks is mainly a misconception. really we should be fighting for the right reasons here, guys. gateway has affected devs in the past like d0k3, who literally said himself that it's a pain to keep compatibility between all workable cfws, but it's worse with gateway since they still run outdated stuff. or the fragmented ctrnand thing with their 4.x downgrade. these are legitimate problems that we need to fight to get fixed, rather than waste our time arguing over dumb shit like who's cheat engine is better or who bricks users, or who's piece of plastic is far superior to anyone else's. i think we can all agree that users of each need not fight, but unify. when gateway users are fine with just gateway, let them be. when cfw users are fine with just cfw, let them be. when gw and cfw users get along, then all is well, i think. yeah.