Hardware PSA: Gateway Is Making More Bricks

[guitarheroknight]

Another user bricked.

LOL who?

 

[Foxi4]

I tend to believe that people, in general, are good. I defended Gateway Team the first time around, hoping that perhaps their anti-clone measures were just poorly coded and were never meant to harm the end-user. Seeing that it's happening again, I'm not going to defend them twice - if I see convincing evidence that the fault is on Gateway's side, that's a huge red flag. It's not the end-user's fault that someone cloned their flashcart, the end-user shouldn't be the one paying for it with their system. I understand that the idea behind bricking the systems is to brick the 3DS'es belonging to the cloner's testing team, but the method *clearly* didn't work the first time around, why do it again?

 

[gamesquest1]

maybe supercard will shell out to repair or replace the bricked consoles of their own customers..................yeah right

 

[Xenon Hacks]

I tend to believe that people, in general, are good. I defended Gateway Team the first time around, hoping that perhaps their anti-clone measures were just poorly coded and were never meant to harm the end-user. Seeing that it's happening again, I'm not going to defend them twice - if I see convincing evidence that the fault is on Gateway's side, that's a huge red flag. It's not the end-user's fault that someone cloned their flashcart, the end-user shouldn't be the one paying for it with their system. I understand that the idea behind bricking the systems is to brick the 3DS'es belonging to the cloner's testing team, but the method *clearly* didn't work the first time around, why do it again?

The "end user" should have just bought an official Gateway card in the first place instead of shooting themselves in the foot for being cheap.

 

[hundshamer]

maybe supercard will shell out to repair or replace the bricked consoles of their own customers..................yeah right

They could always outsource the work, and reimburse the user.... NOT!!!

This report came from @shanefromoz. I would love a detailed report as to how it was triggered. I have been trying to brick a 3DS, and have tried both N3DS and O3DS. I am trying to confirm both bricks and the restore.

 

[Foxi4]

The "end user" should have just bought an official Gateway card in the first place instead of shooting themselves in the foot for being cheap.

The end-user is not at fault, the cloners are. If Gateway wants to protect their code, maybe they should obfuscate it better. By killing off end-user systems, all they're doing is weeding out their possible future customers and giving themselves a bad name. If you want to eliminate clones, strike at the cloners with firmware updates that won't work on clone hardware, don't attack your own potential customers. If Nintendo started bricking systems that use flashcarts, everyone would be up in arms and you'd be at the front lines yelling "you deserved this"? No, of course not.

 

[Deleted User]

LOL who?

http://forum.supercard.sc/thread-12564-1-1.html

I tend to believe that people, in general, are good. I defended Gateway Team the first time around, hoping that perhaps their anti-clone measures were just poorly coded and were never meant to harm the end-user. Seeing that it's happening again, I'm not going to defend them twice - if I see convincing evidence that the fault is on Gateway's side, that's a huge red flag. It's not the end-user's fault that someone cloned their flashcart, the end-user shouldn't be the one paying for it with their system. I understand that the idea behind bricking the systems is to brick the 3DS'es belonging to the cloner's testing team, but the method *clearly* didn't work the first time around, why do it again?

Genuine GW works fine, no bricks. End of story.

DSTWO+ is Supercard team's product. Supercard makes it, Supercard is responsible for their own product. If Supercard team decides to clone GW, this is again the fault of Supercard.
If Supercard's product bricks, again, it is Supercard's fault.

It does not matter what GW puts in their Launcher, as long as it works for genuine GW users, because that's what it is designed for.

 

[Foxi4]

Genuine GW works fine, no bricks. End of story.

DSTWO+ is Supercard team's product. Supercard makes it, Supercard is responsible for their own product. If Supercard team decides to clone GW, this is again the fault of Supercard.
If Supercard's product bricks, again, it is Supercard's fault.

It does not matter what GW puts in their Launcher, as long as it works for genuine GW users, because that's what it is designed for.

Both teams are at fault. If Ford started mounting C4 bricks inside their radios that explode if you put the radio in a Volkswagen car, it's not the user's fault - the protection method was complete overkill.

 

[hundshamer]

http://forum.supercard.sc/thread-12564-1-1.html



Genuine GW works fine, no bricks. End of story.

DSTWO+ is Supercard team's product. Supercard makes it, Supercard is responsible for their own product. If Supercard team decides to clone GW, this is again the fault of Supercard.
If Supercard's product bricks, again, it is Supercard's fault.

It does not matter what GW puts in their Launcher, as long as it works for genuine GW users, because that's what it is designed for.

He/She is also a member here. I tagged him/her, and hopefully he/she will respond.

 

[gamesquest1]

Both teams are at fault. If Ford started mounting C4 bricks inside their radios that explode if you put the radio in a Volkswagen car, it's not the user's fault - the protection method was complete overkill.

....but

we strongly urge to cease using this plugin and only use GENUINE Gateway! You have been warned!

people were warned

 

[Xenon Hacks]

Both teams are at fault. If Ford started mounting C4 bricks inside their radios that explode if you put the radio in a Volkswagen car, it's not the user's fault - the protection method was complete overkill.

It sure as hell is especially if Ford and everyone's mother says not to do it. People who bought DSTWO+'s knew what they were getting themselves into when they bought the card.

 

[Deleted User]

Both teams are at fault. If Ford started mounting C4 bricks inside their radios that explode if you put the radio in a Volkswagen car, it's not the user's fault - the protection method was complete overkill.

The correct analogy would be the CAR would be destroyed.
And yes, if you connect radio's that are not volt compatible to a random car, it can be destroyed.

The user needs to read the proper manual when transferring radio's over to another car, otherwise you'd just say this was an idiot user that did not know how to transfer a radio properly.


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Put from another perspective, if Supercard or clones all developed their own Launcher.dat there would not be an issue with bricking. This issue would simply not exist.

Clones are 200% directly the cause for the existence of bricking code, and therefore the real culprit of the brick code. QED

 

[Foxi4]

It sure as hell is especially if Ford and everyone's mother says not to do it. People who bought DSTWO+'s knew what they were getting themselves into when they bought the card.

Disagreed. It'd literally be the end of Ford - they'd drown in a tidalwave of class action suits.

The correct analogy would be the CAR would be destroyed.
And yes, if you connect radio's that are not volt compatible to a random car, it can be destroyed.

The user needs to read the proper manual when transferring radio's over to another car, otherwise you'd just say this was an idiot user that did not know how to transfer a radio properly.

Car radios use standardized slots in order to allow third-parties to manufacture radios for specific car makes, much like slots on 3DS'es are standardized. You know what would be acceptable? If the cartridge just stopped working - no harm to the user. It's when you start harming the user that it becomes unacceptable conduct - I don't have a problem with protecting your code, but protect it in a non-destructive fashion. Freeze the system randomly, but don't brick it - that's insane.

people were warned

Maybe I should implement a kill-switch in Sky Army Knife if you make templates for QQ3DS with it and not a Sky, right? I promise I'll warn users before I format their C:\ drives - I swear! ;O;

 

[Xenon Hacks]

Disagreed. It'd literally be the end of Ford - they'd drown in a tidalwave of class action suits.
Car radios use standardized slots in order to allow third-parties to manufacture radios for specific car makes, much like slots on 3DS'es are standardized. You know what would be acceptable? If the cartridge just stopped working - no harm to the user. It's when you start harming the user that it becomes unacceptable conduct - I don't have a problem with protecting your code, but protect it in a non-destructive fashion. Freeze the system randomly, but don't brick it - that's insane.

And yet here we are Gateway is still king and Super cards reputation has been muddied and will forever be known as the card that will brick your 3DS.

 

[gamesquest1]

well its not really "DESTROOOYYYYED", you just need to take it to your local garage to have it repaired or repair it yourself if your technically able, its really the equivalent of someone wiring their own radio's in a way that will blow the battery if you plug it into a different model car, it doesn't destroy the system it breaks one specific part which is easily repairable (in the right hands)....and shipping them with a label saying "warning do not use this radio with other cars".......but then another card maker decides "wait there i can sell my car with a ford radio because i cba making my own.....psssh whats this warning, i wont concern my customers with that i just want their money"

 

[Deleted User]

The very first launchers did just that. They simply did not work with clones.

Clone users would simply wait for the cloners to fix the Launcher or their clone device and were happy to gloat about having a cheaper device with the same features.
But after the 10th time that clones fixed the issue or released a "propered" Launcher, that's when Gateway decided it was enough and did something more drastic.

Your proposed solution simply does not work as a real deterrent

 

[Foxi4]

And yet here we are Gateway is still king and Super cards reputation has been muddied and will forever be known as the card that will brick your 3DS.

There's no shortage of users who call it BrickWay now - all this could've been avoided if only they weren't massive d*ckheads. It's also terrible timing for them considering the fact that Sky3DS is releasing the Plus now.

 

[pwsincd]

install wii files on a vwii you brick it ,,, reason being , installing files designed for another piece of hardware... gateway are protecting their asset.. fair play to them. If people want to stand on the shoulders of giants they better have good balance.

 

[Xenon Hacks]

There's no shortage of users who call it BrickWay now - all this could've been avoided if only they weren't massive d*ckheads. It's also terrible timing for them considering the fact that Sky3DS is releasing the Plus now.

People call it Brickway as a joke just like how they say 9.6+ will come soon™ if you have a real card you won't brick it's that simple and Sky does not affect their business at all Sky3DS is for those unfortunate souls who are stuck on 9.3+ and have no choice but to buy it.

 

[Foxi4]

The very first launchers did just that. They simply did not work with clones. Clone users would simply wait for the cloners to fix the Launcher or their clone device and were happy to gloat about having a cheaper device with the same features.
But after the 10th time that clones fixed the issue or released a "propered" Launcher, that's when Gateway decided it was enough and did something more drastic. Your proposed solution simply does not work as a real deterrent

And they shouldn't have, because guess what? Cloners fixed that too. How do I know that? Because they've done it before and yet we're having this conversation about the DSTwo+. The launcher will get "propered" again, there's just a couple more broken 3DS'es out there. Their "drastic" method isn't helping.