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PS5 Exploit Guide

PS5 Hack Status:


FW Ranges:
2.XX = HEN+Kstuff+HV = PS4/5 backups, possible keys exploit (WebKit: 2.50 best / 2.7X max)
3.XX = HEN+Kstuff+HV+Linux = PS4/5 backups, possible keys exploit (WK/BDJB/LUA: 3.20 best / 3.21 max)
4.XX = HEN+Kstuff+HV+Linux = PS4/5 backups (WK/Y2JB/BDJB/LUA: 4.50 best / 4.51 max)
5.XX = HEN+Kstuff+HV+Linux = PS4/5 backups (
WK/Y2JB/BDJB/LUA: 5.50 best + max)

6.XX = HEN+Kstuff = PS4/5 backups, HV+Linux for 6.02 max (Y2JB/BDJB/LUA: 6.50 best + max)
7.XX = HEN+Kstuff = PS4/5 backups, no HV (
Y2JB/BDJB/LUA: 7.61 best + max)
8.XX-10.01 = HEN+ Kstuff = PS4/5 backups, no HV (Y2JB/LUA)
10.20-12.00 = KEX + Kstuff = PS4/5 backups, no HV (
LUA)
12.02-12.70 = KEX (
P2JB/SWRR)
13.XX = No KEX/HEN/Kstuff/HV (LUA)

NOTE: Recommended firmware is subjective. Staying low is always suggested first & foremost. It is not recommended to update too many major versions (e.g., 4.xx to 5.xx or 7.xx to 8.xx) because you should remain low unless all you want is backups.

DO NOT UPDATE OVER 12.00!! P2JB can take over 3 hrs to trigger an exploit.


Hypervisor (HV):
Highest known HV exploit: 6.02
Highest theoretical HV exploit: 7.XX
Highest implemented HV exploit: 1.00-4.51 (Cragson PS5Hen) / 3.00-6.02 (TheFlow)
*unreleased/unimplemented

Kernel (KEX):
Highest public Release:
12.70
Highest known: 12.70 (P2JB)
UMTX2: 1.00-7.61
Lapse: 1.00-10.01
Poopsploit: 4.XX-12.00
P2JB: X.XX-12.70

Userland (UL):
LUA: 2.00-LATEST (LUA game exploit, chain Lapse up to 10.01)
Y2JB: 4.03-12.60 (YouTube exploit, + Lapse up to 10.01)
NFNH: 4.03-12.XX (Netflix exploit, + Lapse up to 10.01)
YARPE: 4.03-12.XX (Ren'Py exploit, + Lapse up to 10.01)
BD-JB: 1.00-7.61 (Blu Ray exploit + UMTX2, 8.00-12.40 via UN BD JB + Poopsploit)
Webkit: 1.00-5.50 (PSFREE +UMTX2) (up to 13.20 coming soon)
Mast1C0re: 1.00-7.61 (PS2 backups)
LuaC0re: 10.20-12.02 (Star Wars RR: + Poopsploit up to 12.00)

NOTE: A userland entry exploit (UL) chained to kernel exploit (KEX) is required at a bare minimum to exploit your console.

NOTE 2: Since 12.60/13.00 Sony has removed the YouTube and Netflix apps and has added 30 day expirations to downloaded software used for LuaC0re/Mast1C0re/RenPy etc.

Digital consoles will now need a new webkit userland to hack their consoles as of 19/04/2026)


Useful Applications:
Elf loader: 8.00/7.61 HERE (use with BD-J)
Kstuff: 3.00-10.01 (3.00-12.70 soon)
HERE
Kstuff Lite: 3.00-12.70 HERE
Kstuff Toggle: 3.00-12.00 HERE
Dumping: Up to 8.00/7.61 (ItemzFlow / self decryptor) latest HERE
PS5 App Dumper: 3.00-12.00 HERE
Dump Runner: 3.00-12.00 HERE
Dump Installer: 3.00-11.60 HERE
Backporting: Possible (backpork / Porkfolio)
PS4/PS5 DLC: Work with kstuff (on retail disc games)
Homebrew Enabler: etaHEN (3.00-10.01) latest HERE
PS5 Backup Loading: Itemzflow HERE Compatibility list: HERE
PS4 Backup Loading: FPKG Enabler 3.XX-9.XX (rest mode & backports work, can crash).
PS5 Debug: Works
HERE
PS5 Remote Play: Works HERE & HERE
PS5 Trainers/Cheats: Work (Built into itemzFlow)

UART:
HERE
Linux: (3.00-6.02) HERE
Kldload (wip): 3.00-6.50 HERE
Full chain exploit: 1.00-4.51 (byepervisor) HERE (also built into etaHEN up to 2.7X)
PSN access: NEVER
Latest OFW: 13.20 (23/04/26)
Summarised OFW/Model guide: HERE
1.XX-7.61 compatibility list:
HERE
PS5 SDK Repo: HERE
Legit PKG Updates: HERE or HERE
OFW Updates: HERE (history HERE)

Preparing Your Console:


It is recommended to either self-host offline or block these addresses in your router to avoid accidental updates or getting an update nag. Using the DNS method is no longer failsafe, as these are not guaranteed to be running 24/7.


dau01.ps5.update.playstation.net
dbr01.ps5.update.playstation.net
dcn01.ps5.update.playstation.net
deu01.ps5.update.playstation.net
dhk01.ps5.update.playstation.net
djp01.ps5.update.playstation.net
dkr01.ps5.update.playstation.net
dmx01.ps5.update.playstation.net
dru01.ps5.update.playstation.net
dsa01.ps5.update.playstation.net
dtw01.ps5.update.playstation.net
duk01.ps5.update.playstation.net
dus01.ps5.update.playstation.net
fau01.ps5.update.playstation.net
fbr01.ps5.update.playstation.net
fcn01.ps5.update.playstation.net
feu01.ps5.update.playstation.net
fhk01.ps5.update.playstation.net
fjp01.ps5.update.playstation.net
fkr01.ps5.update.playstation.net
fmx01.ps5.update.playstation.net
fru01.ps5.update.playstation.net
fsa01.ps5.update.playstation.net
ftw01.ps5.update.playstation.net
fuk01.ps5.update.playstation.net
fus01.ps5.update.playstation.net
hau01.ps5.update.playstation.net
hbr01.ps5.update.playstation.net
hcn01.ps5.update.playstation.net
heu01.ps5.update.playstation.net
hhk01.ps5.update.playstation.net
hjp01.ps5.update.playstation.net
hkr01.ps5.update.playstation.net
hmx01.ps5.update.playstation.net
hru01.ps5.update.playstation.net
hsa01.ps5.update.playstation.net
htw01.ps5.update.playstation.net
huk01.ps5.update.playstation.net
hus01.ps5.update.playstation.net
sgst.prod.dl.playstation.net
gs2.ww.prod.dl.playstation.net

Alternative DNS IP:
DNS 1: 172.245.146.114
(Leave DNS 2 blank)

To determine your OFW version:
Go to settings > system > console information.

Version string info:
Year.Half (1st/2nd half of the year)-Major Version No.Minor Version No.Extended info-Further Info.Retail/Debug

21.02-04.03.00.00-00.00.00.0.1

It is recommended to keep your console as low as possible to have access to better jailbreak stability and features. Stay as low as possible within the "Golden" firmware brackets that apply to your current firmware.

Current Examples:

2.00 could be updated to 2.50 maximum to retain Webkit/BD-JB/LUA HV + KEX + HEN.
4.00 could be updated to 4.51 maximum for WebKit/BD-JB/LUA + KEX + HEN + potential HV exploits.
5.00 could be updated to 5.50 maximum for WebKit/BD-JB/LUA + KEX + HEN.
6.XX-7.XX could be updated to 7.61 maximum for HEN using only BD-JB or LUA.
Digital/Pro users on 6.XX-LATEST cannot use BDJB or LUA without an activated console. Wekbit does not go beyond 5.50 for now.
Digital/Pro users or Disc console users on 8.XX-LATEST should consider waiting or selling/swapping consoles to get a lower firmware.
(No jailbreak is ever guaranteed. No developer is obliged to release anything publicly)

WARNING:

Only update OFW manually via USB by getting the firmware file from HERE and installing from <USB>:/PS5/UPDATE/PS5UPDATE.PUP

SYSTEM UPDATES:

12.00 SYS MD5: 79d3171ec4ef38ca27f8ff36a9940847 (Exploited - No HEN yet)

10.01 SYS MD5: 68a31944c1867bf9643798fd1c14998e (Exploited + HEN)
9.00 SYS MD5: e74ddccd3360941ca24475c13195e031 (Exploited + HEN)
8.00 SYS MD5: 7616128c57581d5e49b42d1b3f308232 (Exploited + HEN)
7.61 SYS MD5: d5eca8b171a8d7df7ba225167f77e645 (Exploited + HEN)

6.50 SYS MD5: 98db854ba47a75dff0cb09355bca9025 (Exploited + HEN)
5.50 SYS MD5: edb3513ec531b2bd28f3a0b52a82a54f Exploited + HEN)
4.51 SYS MD5: 1330b7bf63bf5c93d809b1eb1f4e1f01 (Exploited + HEN)
4.03 SYS MD5: 3716e4e6e0d223cd94cd4a8e5bd4fb94 (Exploited + HEN)

RECOVERY UPDATES (wipes HDD):
12.00 REC MD5: f993e4c35ed6659b516346941980de4b (Exploited - no HEN yet)

10.01 REC MD5: 5202be086fc726d881f722d46e4486c6 (Exploited + HEN)
9.00 REC MD5: 6fbbda82c325bb5d6ec0717c2223b5c0 (Exploited + HEN)
8.00 REC MD5: 6cbb7a2fa2ace926202bd6e71304fb06 (Exploited + HEN)
7.61 REC MD5: 932f24e934723050fe49561b67e95226 (Exploited + HEN)
6.50 REC MD5: 4305223c12bd6dda9b944c0ee49c94c0 (Exploited + HEN)
5.50 REC MD5: c939ac8b37e07bbc129816a61002d30a (Exploited + HEN)
4.51 REC MD5: da78ca268da90a963d89b0f45db0f061 (Exploited + HEN)
4.03 REC MD5: e6dcc800d8d1dcada4f2bcd6e7ff162c (Exploited + HEN)

PS5 factory mode PUP installation path:

/usb/PROSPERO/UPDATE/PROSPEROUPDATE.PUP

Select Your Jailbreak:


WEBKIT (1.00-5.50):BD-JB 1.00-7.61:LUA (2.00-LATEST):Mast1c0re (2.00-7.61):Y2JB (4.03-10.01):NFNH (4.03-10.01):YARPE (4.03-10.01):LuaC0re (12.00 REQUIRES SWRR):BD UN JB (REQUIRES JB'D CONSOLE):


  1. PSFREE 1.XX-5.XX: https://github.com/kmeps4/PSFree
    Recommended host: https://zecoxao.github.io/luasauce/ (UMTX2 + Webkit for 1.XX-5.XX)

    Recommended WebKit hosts:
    https://zecoxao.github.io/luasauce/
    (UTMX2 with Lua and WebKit for 1.xx-5.xx)
    https://zecoxao.github.io/umtx/ or https://es7in1.site/
    (UMTX 2 exploit works on 3.00-5.50 with PSFREE WebKit)

    Alternative hosts:
    https://zecoxao.github.io/ps5jb/

    https://ps5jb.pages.dev/
    https://sleirsgoevy.github.io/ps4jb2/ps5-403/index.html

  2. You will need a BD dive paired to your Slim/Pro console, or an OG Phat model on 1.00-7.61 to run this exploit.

    Viktorious AIO Auto BD-JB ISO for 4.XX-7.61: https://github.com/Viktorious-x/ps5-bdjb-modified-ISOs/releases
    (Alternative: UMTX Kernel exploit 7.61 JAR loader by Hammer83: https://github.com/hammer-83/ps5-jar-loader/releases)

    Burn ISO to a blank BD-R or BD-RE, put it into your console, and click on the [DISC PLAYER] icon.
    Highlight [PIPELINE RUNNER] then click option 2 [Normaljailbreak-etaHEN-UMTX1.pipe] to auto load etaHEN ready for ItemzFlow.
    Debug settings will be loaded, and the package installer can be found under [SETTINGS] > [DEBUG SETTINGS].
    ELF Loader will be running on your PS5 IP: port 9021


  3. Important:
    Up to 10.01 has a kernel exploit + HEN
    11.XX-12.70 has a kernel exploit but no HEN yet.
    LUA entry point works on the latest OFW, but there is no kernel or HEN yet.
    (A compatible PS4 game is required to launch the exploit on PS5. See below)

    Your PS5 console must be activated to use save copying for PS4 games.

    1. Insert your game disc and, as soon as possible, make a save file within it.
    2. Copy the save files to USB, go to [SETTINGS] > [STORAGE] > [CONSOLE STORAGE] > [SAVE DATA] > [PS4 GAMES] > select the game save and copy to a USB drive.
    3. On PC, using a Google Drive account, make a new folder with the GAME ID of your game, and upload the savedata & savedata.bin files to that folder.
    4. Share the folder, set it to editor mode, share with anyone, and click "copy the link".
    5. Join the HTOS Discord group: HERE type "/decrypt", select "FALSE" for including SCE_SYS, paste or type in the Google Drive link, and press enter. The bot should begin mounting your save. (If it doesn't, paste in the link again.)
    6. Click "ENCRYPTED" to remove the Sony PFS layer. Download the generated files and extract the folder to your desktop (you should have 4 files in there and be named dec_savedata_CUSA[GAME ID]).
    7. Using REMOTE LUA LOADER, open the savedata folder, copy the 20 files within into your encrypted save folder on your desktop.
    8. Upload the encrypted save folder (now with 24 files in) to your Google Drive. It should be named "dec_savedata_CUSA[GAME ID]" where GAME ID is your games 5 digit number, and set it to editor mode, share with anyone, and then click "copy the link".
    9. Go back to the HTOS discord server, and type "/encrypt", hit "FALSE" for uploading individually, and "FALSE" to include SCE_SYS. Finally, hit shared_gd_link and paste in your link to the original save (4 files) folder. (If it doesn't, paste in the link again.)
    10. When this is done, paste the link to the decrypted save (24 files) folder, and the bot will encrypt the files.
    11. Resign the files by typing "/resign" followed by your account name on the console, or PSN ID associated with that account if using the latest OFW.
    12. Download the resigned files, extract the files to your USB drive and overwrite them into the savedata folder on your USB or external drive.
    13. Copy the saves back to your console [SETTINGS] > [SAVE DATA AND GAME/APP SETTINGS] > [SAVE DATA PS4] > [COPY OR DELETE FROM USB] > [COPY TO CONSOLE STORAGE] > select your game save folder from the USB drive and copy/overwrite old save data.
    14. Load LUA game again, and you should see the LUA LOADER screen.
    15. You can use "SEND_LUA.PY" to send the UMTX files to the loader.
    (NOTE: Some games require manual loading of save game)

    On firmware up to 7.61, you can now load UMTX/2 followed by etaHEN by sending the files to your console IP on PORT 9026.
    On firmware 8.00-LATEST, you can connect with the REMOTE LUA LOADER APP to send debug notifications or FTP on port 1337.

    LUA Loader: HERE or HERE

    Auto LUA Loader Fork: HERE

    Compatible LUA games:
    Aerial Life (CUSA17122)
    Aibeya (CUSA17068)
    Aikagi 2 (CUSA19556)
    Aikagi Kimi to Issho ni Pack (CUSA16229)
    Aikano Yukizora no Triangle (CUSA19370)
    Boku to Nurse no Kenshuu Nisshi (CUSA12049)
    Boku to Joi no Shinsatsu Nisshi (CUSA18107)
    Fuyu Kiss (CUSA29745)
    Hamidashi Creative (CUSA27389)
    Hamidashi Creative Demo (CUSA27390 requires the latest OFW to download from PSN)
    Haruoto Alice (CUSA14324)
    IxSHE Tell (CUSA17112)
    IxSHE Tell Demo (CUSA17126)
    Jinki Resurrection (CUSA25179)
    Jinki Resurrection Demo (CUSA25180 requires the latest OFW to download from PSN)
    Maid-san no Iru Kurashi (CUSA18106)
    Nora Princess and Stray Cat Heart HD (CUSA13303: Rename save9999.dat into nora_01.dat)
    Nora Princess and Strat Cat Heart 2 (CUSA13586)
    Raspberry Cube (CUSA16074)
    Winter Guest (CUSA11977)

    WARNING: using demos is free but can become corrupt, and you cannot upgrade your internal HDD either. If you lose the demo you can no longer use the exploit.Disc recommended.

    Incompatible LUA games:

    Dokyusei Remake Csver (CUSA47117)
    Dōkyūsei: Bangin' Summer - Home Edition Demo (CUSA47132)
    Kiss Trilogy (CUSA19341)
    Love Clear Demo (CUSA18109)
    Mikagami Sumika no Seifuku Katsudou (CUSA11481)
    Sen no Hatou, Arazone no Hime (CUSA09647)
    Tonari ni Kanojo no Iru Shiawase: Two Farce (CUSA09825)
    Tonari ni Kanojo no Iru Shiawase Summer Surprise (CUSA18998)

  4. PS2 Classics > Userland via CTurt:
    (Implementation by McCaulay)
    Note: this is currently limited to swapping the loaded PS2 iso, or loading PS2 elf homebrew on PS5 (or PS4) for emulators or basic PS2 brew.

    Mast1c0re PS2 exploit for PS2 homebrew:
    https://cturt.github.io/mast1c0re.html

    Mast1c0re part 2:
    https://cturt.github.io/mast1c0re-2.html

    Mast1c0re payload framework:
    https://github.com/McCaulay/mast1c0re

    Okrager save game exploit generator for Okage:
    https://github.com/McCaulay/okrager

    Mast1c0re payloader TCP Client GUI for PS5 6.50:
    https://github.com/Master-s/PS4-PS5-Mast1c0re-Payloader/releases

    TCP network ISO loader:
    https://github.com/McCaulay/mast1c0re-ps2-network-elf-loader/releases

    ExFat USB ISO loader:
    https://github.com/McCaulay/mast1c0re-ps2-usb-game-loader/releases

  5. coming soon

  6. coming soon

  7. coming soon

  8. coming soon

  9. This method modifies the BD-J stack to allows BDJB to be re-enabled on your higher firmware console up to 12.40.

    This requires your console to be hacked via another method first to gain access to alter the files.
    (For example 12.00 needs SWRR disc to hack it first)

    https://github.com/Gezine/BD-UN-JB

    DO NOT REINSTALL FW, IT WILL WIPE THE PATCH AND LOSE BD-JB


Additional Information:


PS4 GAME INFORMATION:
OFW 1.xx cannot run PS4 games.
OFW 2.xx runs PS4 games up to 8.03

OFW 3.xx runs PS4 games up to 8.52
OFW 4.xx runs PS4 games up to 9.04
OFW 5.xx runs PS4 games up to 9.60
OFW 6.xx runs PS4 games up to 10.50

OFW 7.xx runs PS4 games up to 11.00
OFW 8.xx/9.xx runs PS4 games up to 11.50
OFW 10.xx runs PS4 games up to 12.00

OFW 11.xx runs PS4 games up to 12.50
OFW 12.xx runs PS4 games up to 13.00


(Note: PS4 backported FPKGs also work perfectly on an exploited PS5 with Kstuff)


You can install free/demo PKGS (legit pkgs) via the debug pkg installer, provided you have all the files/json/licences required.
(Astro’s Playroom has no licences and can be installed and played from official pkgs and updated inline with your firmware)

Warnings:


1: Never enable IDU mode.
If you do, you will need to enter staff mode by holding L1 + L2 and tapping this combo: circle, cross, square, triangle, right D-Pad. Release L1 + L2, and you can access settings to exit IDU.

2: Try to stay on the lowest FW possible and wait for hacks on that firmware.

3: PS5 FPKGs do not work. A hack for the A53 processor does not publicly exist to enable installing PS5 content as FPKG/PKG.

4: Installing legit game PKGs you do not own will never work, even if spoofed.

5: If you get stuck in a boot loop at the PS logo, the SNVS is corrupted (if the hash check fails on boot, this causes a “soft brick”). It’s not “bricked”. Simply reinstall your current firmware RECOVERY PUP in safe mode from USB: PS5 > UPDATE > PS5UPDATE.PUP.

Archived Information


 
Last edited by KiiWii,
any news about backports of the new games? or this is the end of firmware 10.01 lol
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do you guys actually play the games? lol because I am the only one who suffered from losing my ps5 save files from updating my system :rofl2:
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I cant imagine playing monster hunters stories 3 and crimson dessert and then losing the save files
 
Blocking the mac address of my JB PS5 should not block also the internet connection of my "legit" PS5, right? Since mac addresses are unique per device.
Related question: would NanoDNS also block YouTube app updates?
Right, no effect on your legit ps5, because unique mac adress.
I dont trust any dns, so i just kill Internet for my jb ps5 completely to have peace of mind.
Still have access in local network this way, thats all what is neccessary for me.
 
I was wondering about something regarding Y2JB: could we theoretically make a backup of all existing data (which includes savegames) then restore the pre-made backup to unpatch BD JB and finally restore the previously made backup to gain back access to savegames?

Would that work or would the restore revert the BD JB unpatch?

Interesting... that miiiiight work? I feel like it should since the console would only fix the BD files with a fw update/fw recovery.
 
Sometimes news can be good and bad at the same time





It’s not to “discourage piracy”, he’s just mad that Shadow Mount got forked and was made better by someone else. That and/or I was right and Sony paid him off to stop working on it.

I see those two or BOTH being possibilities. He’s not fooling me.
 
It’s not to “discourage piracy”, he’s just mad that Shadow Mount got forked and was made better by someone else. That and/or I was right and Sony paid him off to stop working on it.

I see those two or BOTH being possibilities. He’s not fooling me.
I didn't realise it got forked... thought his stuff wasn't open source unless someone reverse engineered it? The thing with the scene is there will balways be someone whose 'cleverer' than the originsl dev so expect code to be reverse engineered. But then again maybe he got paid off (as you said) or the threat of legal litigation?
 
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🆕 1.0.99 — etaHEN is no longer required
You no longer need etaHEN to jailbreak apps. This release ships with Lapy JB Daemon (payloads/lapyjb.elf) — a standalone PID-jailbreak daemon by voidwhisper that handles app escalation directly. No etaHEN, no PHU required.

Big thanks to voidwhisper for the Lapy JB Daemon — it makes Sonic Loader fully self-contained for app jailbreaking and lets us drop the etaHEN dependency entirely (the sonic-loader-no-etahen.elf variant is gone too; there's only one ELF to download now).

Apps that previously needed etaHEN's HijackerCommand IPC (Itemzflow, xplorer, anything using the universalps5 PRX) just work — Lapy JB Daemon is on by default and replaces both the bundled etahen.elf and the in-loader IPC server (jb.c) that used to listen on port 9028.
 
I didn't realise it got forked... thought his stuff wasn't open source unless someone reverse engineered it? The thing with the scene is there will balways be someone whose 'cleverer' than the originsl dev so expect code to be reverse engineered. But then again maybe he got paid off (as you said) or the threat of legal litigation?
I think it’s both personally as if you’d hear people tell it, Void was of the opinion that Shadow Mount was stolen, when as you said, it was open source. Remember, he was taking suggestions and things for VoidShell just less than 24 hours before all of a sudden he stopped development. That tells me of a cease and desist from Sony. Then how his whole Ko-Fi was scrubbed at the same time. Now he’s making a non expiry VoidShell “without piracy”. Good thing it’s open source so that the community can fix this as well. Like why the hell would you even want something like VoidShell if you weren’t playing backups….🤦🏽‍♀️
 
Sometimes news can be good and bad at the same time





Just when I wanted to ask to see if anyone knew what will happen with the VoidShell. I guess I'll stick with the ShadowMountPlus, just have to figure out what else other than backpork was built into it while I wasn't looking. :D I still need to figure out how to make (or if it's possible to make) backports on your own if they aren't available. It would be nice if there was a way to do so automatically. Backpork Kitchen seemed promising but I've noticed that it is now discontinued? Anything else worth looking into? I'm curious to see what you guys are using to run backups on your consoles.
 
Right, no effect on your legit ps5, because unique mac adress.
I dont trust any dns, so i just kill Internet for my jb ps5 completely to have peace of mind.
Still have access in local network this way, thats all what is neccessary for me.
Wouldn't this also block "positive" functionalities that require an internet connection - like updating the cheats repository?
 
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I wasn't even aware there was a sonicloader and that development on etaWEN had stalled for the moment... As usual people on discord jumping to all sorts and devs giving cryptic explantions!
That's mostly the case. Why do you think I go directly to the source ask them what the deal is. For some personal reasons they do not always want to share information public, so neither do I and leave things as they are.
 

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