PS Jailbreak - The first PS3 Modchip

[Lunatics]

The links I saw about Sony taking them to court didn't explain much in them so I ask, what exactly is Sony suing, or if not suing taking them to court for? What exactly is illegal here? Backing up your own games to play isn't illegal (as far as I'm aware), they didn't steal anything from Sony, this is all original stuff. So on what legal basis is Sony taking them to court?

If it's about the whole backing up to play your own games thing, can they not get around that? I mean companies have been selling mod chips, flash carts and what have you for years to enable you to play "YOUR backups" the same way headshops have been selling bongs and bo- wait sorry I mean "water pipes" and "tobacco pipes" legally for years.

I'm just confused as to what exactly they are taking them to court on if none of this was stolen and the PSJailbreak is advertising it as "backing up your own games to play".

 

[Deleted_171835]

The links I saw about Sony taking them to court didn't explain much in them so I ask, what exactly is Sony suing, or if not suing taking them to court for? What exactly is illegal here? Backing up your own games to play isn't illegal (as far as I'm aware), they didn't steal anything from Sony, this is all original stuff. So on what legal basis is Sony taking them to court?

If it's about the whole backing up to play your own games thing, can they not get around that? I mean companies have been selling mod chips, flash carts and what have you for years to enable you to play "YOUR backups" the same way headshops have been selling bongs and bo- wait sorry I mean "water pipes" and "tobacco pipes" legally for years.

I'm just confused as to what exactly they are taking them to court on if none of this was stolen and the PSJailbreak is advertising it as "backing up your own games to play".

They're trying to "protect the intellectual property of the content offered on the PS3 system" or so they say.

 

[Lunatics]

Yeah, I just read in another article that it was about IP but I can't see how backing up your games infringes on their IP, and if Sony tried to argue something along the lines of "A usb device that is plugged into the console during start up to enable debug mode is their IP" I can't see that being a very easy case to win, then again I don't know a whole lot about the law let alone the law in Australia.

 

[MelodieOctavia]

Yeah, I just read in another article that it was about IP but I can't see how backing up your games infringes on their IP, and if Sony tried to argue something along the lines of "A usb device that is plugged into the console during start up to enable debug mode is their IP" I can't see that being a very easy case to win, then again I don't know a whole lot about the law let alone the law in Australia.

Their entire offensive strategy will be that the device enables or even promotes piracy.

Of coarse, seeing how the other court cases went, they will see it as using a backup to preserve the original copy.

 

[Rydian]

Anyway it doesn't matter if its a clone or not when it has the fw from the JIG device used on it.Er, no, it just gives the PS3 the exact response the PS3 would expect in order to boot into dev mode.

You can see they state it here...
http://www.ps3hax.net/2010/08/ps-jailbreak...rse-engineered/

A few milliseconds later, the Jig module answers with 64 byte static data, all USB devices are then disconnected, and a new USB device is connected and the PS3 launches with ‘a new feature’.
It's the same type of thing DSi 1.4-compatible flash carts do, you can read about it here.
http://hackmii.com/2010/02/lawsuit-coming-in-3-2-1/
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The AR DSI cart was completely ignoring the offset field in the read (0xB7) commands I was sending, and simply advancing a preconstructed buffer that would exactly match the reply data of the commands a DSi console would normally send.

 

[squall23]

There's really one simple way to do this. Go the iphone way. Just go to the courts and say "iphone jailbreak was legalized last month, this does the same thing except for the PS3".

 

[djricekcn]

it has nothing to do with iphone jailbreak. iphone jailbreaking doesn't mean it's legal to hack other devices, it only means contained within iphone. and if sony can prove that it's illegal, well, then it's illegal.

the law works in strange ways. also, this may not be "jail breaking" like the iphone. It's still not 100% proven that it doesn't use a Sony code, at least, as far as I'm aware. It's just "most likely"?

 

[Rydian]

The iphone thing was in the US, and this legal stuff on ozmodchip is in Australia.

 

[Lunatics]

And while the iPhone jailbreak was considered legal I have a feeling they will say this isn't the iPhone and just focus on how it could possibly lead to piracy and that there isn't "other carrier to open the phone to" the way they could justify the iPhone jailbreak.

However after the court ruling about the jailbreak and other DVD laws, I wouldn't be surprised if eventually it is legal to rip games and by pass their protection to "legitimately" back up your games in the future.

 

[djricekcn]

not to mention, "Jail Breaking" is legal, but running illegal unsigned codes (as in piracy) is still illegal on the iPhone.

 

[ThatDudeWithTheFood]

The backup manager is illegal the device itself is not therefore some brave soul will keep a copy of the backup manager and slowly and surely itll spread.

 

[Rydian]

The backup manager is illegal

No, I haven't heard that.
Who cares if it was made with a leaked SDK?

If you steal a hammer+saw and build a doghouse, is the doghouse stolen property?

 

[Gilberd]

alright someone decoded the ps jailbreak
http://ps3jailbreak.com/?p=221#more-221

 

[Maurice10]

The backup manager is illegal

No, I haven't heard that.
Who cares if it was made with a leaked SDK?

If you steal a hammer+saw and build a doghouse, is the doghouse stolen property?

Good example, but the facts are that any file compiled with the stolen SDK are illegal to distribute.

 

[raiderscrusade]

alright someone decoded the ps jailbreak
http://ps3jailbreak.com/?p=221#more-221

Thank god for that!!

Wonder what will come of this...

 

[ThatDudeWithTheFood]

Lolwut those people are crying about piracy because they think it kills the industry but when you think about it there arent even that many people who pirate games and stuff I mean look at the wii they still make craploads of money even though there system is so easily hacked it might as well be called (insert something funny here).

 

[Bladexdsl]

alright someone decoded the ps jailbreak
http://ps3jailbreak.com/?p=221#more-221

Thank god for that!!

Wonder what will come of this...

FREE soft mods?

 

[antwill]

Lolwut those people are crying about piracy because they think it kills the industry but when you think about it there arent even that many people who pirate games and stuff I mean look at the wii they still make craploads of money even though there system is so easily hacked it might as well be called (insert something funny here).

Got any statistics to back up your claims? And no I don't mean that the wii still makes money.

 

[djricekcn]

Lolwut those people are crying about piracy because they think it kills the industry but when you think about it there arent even that many people who pirate games and stuff I mean look at the wii they still make craploads of money even though there system is so easily hacked it might as well be called (insert something funny here).

Yes it does, especially when Sony and Microsoft makes money of software sales and looses money on hardware. Sony & Microsoft system = sell the system for lower than their cost and handling and make profit off 3rd party publishers.

 

[Maurice10]

Yes it does, especially when Sony and Microsoft makes money of software sales and looses money on hardware. Sony & Microsoft system = sell the system for lower than their cost and handling and make profit off 3rd party publishers.

That was 4 years ago.
Newest figures revealed that Sony is making profit with each console now.