PS Jailbreak - The first PS3 Modchip

[Schizoanalysis]

How can someone like you still be allowed to post?

+1.

He seems to project his own rabid fanboyism onto others... and anyone with an opinion different to him is a whiner or, heaven forbid, a fanboy for another console.

Heaven forbid a Sony customer has complaint with their business practices, they must be a fanboy for another console... (even be it a dead one from 10+ years ago...)

 

[antwill]

keeps people like you who constantly whine about things away from the rest of us.

'cos your posts don't scream troll...

No but seriously, if you're going to complain about being forced to update and be online to do things online (sync trophies) what valid excuse do you have? None. No one is forcing anyone to update, sure but you don't go and say it's all Sony's fault for being stupid making you update. You just accept the fact that you want to hang onto your OtherOS, but sacrifice certain things in the process.

 

[Schizoanalysis]

When Sony's updates take away advertised features like Linux, I think it is a valid complaint.
Sony are being sued for taking away this feature, and many people have taken issue with it.

 

[OrGoN3]

When Sony's updates take away advertised features like Linux, I think it is a valid complaint.
Sony are being sued for taking away this feature, and many people have taken issue with it.

Suing a company because they removed a feature on their system? I'm just not seeing any legal issue here. It is their console. They can do whatever they want with it. They advertised it as capable, and then did away with it. If their marketing campaign happened to run a bit passed the quick update, then you are being ridiculous. You are just trying to find anything you can do to hit Sony back because you are unpleased with their update. Give you the option of playing online without installing it and removing the feature without telling you (although I remember it told me, and I updated when it first came out) is exactly why they released the patch in the first place. They wanted to avoid a possible issue, as in right after it was hacked, they patched it so it couldn't be hacked that way.

Nintendo does this as well. With recent System Menu updates, the update will attempt to delete any homebrew and "homebrew" on your Wii. It was their decision to do this. To deter possible theft. Did you sue them as well? Or do you not own a Wii?

Did you sue Sony when they added the ability to stream PSOne games to your PSP from your PS3? I sure hated that feature. Why? Why not? Let's sue 'em.

In any case, the chip was cloned, so we're bound to eventually see the source released online so we can simply build our own, right?

 

[Schizoanalysis]

Nintendo does this as well. With recent System Menu updates, the update will attempt to delete any homebrew and "homebrew" on your Wii. It was their decision to do this. To deter possible theft. Did you sue them as well? Or do you not own a Wii?


Homebrew Channel is not an advertised feature on the Wii! It is a hack!

Linux on the PS3 was...

QUOTEThis decision, in the words of the lawsuit, was an "intentional disablement of the valuable functionalities originally advertised as available with the Sony PlayStation 3 video game console. This disablement is not only a breach of the sales contract between Sony and its customers and a breach of the covenant of good faith and fair dealing, but it is also an unfair and deceptive business practice perpetrated on millions of unsuspecting consumers."

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For instance, there is a 2007 line from Sony's Phil Harrison: "One of the most powerful things about the PS3 is the 'Install Other OS' option." Sony engineer Geoffrey Levand wrote to a PS3 mailing list in August 2009, "Please be assured that SCE is committed to continue to support for previously sold models that have the 'Install Other OS' feature and that this feature will not be disabled in future firmware releases."

http://arstechnica.com/gaming/news/2010/04...tin-lawsuit.ars

 

[MelodieOctavia]

No matter how many people used OtherOS, it was an advertised feature.

Imagine if you buy a refrigerator, and a few years down the road, someone knocks on your door and tells you that either you let them "fix" your refrigerator, or you can no longer store produce in it. You agree and they disable the freezer compartment.

Wouldn't that be shitty AND illegal?

 

[antwill]

No matter how many people used OtherOS, it was an advertised feature.

Imagine if you buy a refrigerator, and a few years down the road, someone knocks on your door and tells you that either you let them "fix" your refrigerator, or you can no longer store produce in it. You agree and they disable the freezer compartment.

Wouldn't that be shitty AND illegal?

Except the otherOS doesn't interfere at all with the consoles primary function: to play games. If the 'repair' on this fridge in your analogy say removed the internet from the fridge instead after it was advertised as being able to go on the internet, then it would be similar.

 

[Schizoanalysis]

And comparing this to Nintendo disabling a hack through a firmware update is just bad logic...

 

[antwill]

And comparing this to Nintendo disabling a hack through a firmware update is just bad logic...

No one said it wasn't...

 

[Schizoanalysis]

And comparing this to Nintendo disabling a hack through a firmware update is just bad logic...
No one said it wasn't...



QUOTE(OrGoN3 @ Aug 30 2010, 05:02 PM)

Nintendo does this as well. With recent System Menu updates, the update will attempt to delete any homebrew and "homebrew" on your Wii.

 

[Jiggah]

The lawsuit regarding OtherOS is going to faill. Sony has a right to protect their security even by disabling the OtherOS function. If anyone thinks that the PS3jailbreak issue means they should put the function back then they haven't been playing attention to the fact that the OtherOS feature (because of geohot's exploit) was a factor in the development of the PS3jailbreak. It just gives more ammo to Sony's reasoning of disabling it in the first place.

 

[Phoenix Goddess]

The lawsuit regarding OtherOS is going to faill. Sony has a right to protect their security even by disabling the OtherOS function. If anyone thinks that the PS3jailbreak issue means they should put the function back then they haven't been playing attention to the fact that the OtherOS feature (because of geohot's exploit) was a factor in the development of the PS3jailbreak. It just gives more ammo to Sony's reasoning of disabling it in the first place.

^This.
Took the words right from me.

You all do realize you are arguing over something that you have no control over?
What's the point in getting all hot and bothered over something as little as an online debate?
You aren't forced to buy a PS3, so what's the big deal?

You're not forced to buy a fridge, but to enjoy certain food in your own home, you need to buy one right?
(In other words, you're not forced to buy a PS3 but if you want certain games, you'll need the system.)

 

[Aman27deep]

You all do realize you are all arguing over something that you have no control over?

read that line again and again, cause the guy makes perfect sense.

 

[antwill]

The lawsuit regarding OtherOS is going to faill. Sony has a right to protect their security even by disabling the OtherOS function. If anyone thinks that the PS3jailbreak issue means they should put the function back then they haven't been playing attention to the fact that the OtherOS feature (because of geohot's exploit) was a factor in the development of the PS3jailbreak. It just gives more ammo to Sony's reasoning of disabling it in the first place.

^This.
Took the words right from me.

You all do realize you are all arguing over something that you have no control over?
What's the point in getting all hot and bothered over something as little as an online debate?
You aren't forced to buy a PS3, so what's the big deal?

You're not forced to buy a fridge, but to enjoy certain food in your own home, you need to buy one right?
(In other words, you're not forced to buy a PS3 but if you want certain games, you'll need the system.)

That's not exactly what was pissing them off, they were pissed off that Sony removed OtherOS thus stopping them from being able to pirate games if they update, as geohot told them that they needed it. Because of this millions of people got pissed off because they have self-entitlement issues, and feel they deserve to be able to pirate games if they want, giving Sony the finger as they are now no longer allowed to use any online features due to requirements being that you are running the latest firmware.

 

[Phoenix Goddess]

That's not exactly what was pissing them off, they were pissed off that Sony removed OtherOS thus stopping them from being able to pirate games if they update, as geohot told them that they needed it. Because of this millions of people got pissed off because they have self-entitlement issues, and feel they deserve to be able to pirate games if they want, giving Sony the finger as they are now no longer allowed to use any online features due to requirements being that you are running the latest firmware.

I know that's what the big fuss is about.
The point I was trying to make is, they aren't forced to buy a PS3, they chose to. "There's a consequence to every decision", as a proverb once said. If Sony chooses to protect their hardwork by removing features, then so be it. Having an online debate about it won't change it, so why lose sleep over it? I'm a pirate with Nintendo products, but if they found a way to block pirating, I wouldn't be upset, they have the right to.

 

[antwill]

That's not exactly what was pissing them off, they were pissed off that Sony removed OtherOS thus stopping them from being able to pirate games if they update, as geohot told them that they needed it. Because of this millions of people got pissed off because they have self-entitlement issues, and feel they deserve to be able to pirate games if they want, giving Sony the finger as they are now no longer allowed to use any online features due to requirements being that you are running the latest firmware.

I know that's what the big fuss is about.
The point I was trying to make is, they aren't forced to buy a PS3, they chose to. "There's a consequence to every decision", as a proverb once said. If Sony chooses to protect their hardwork by removing features, then so be it. Having an online debate about it won't change it, so why lose sleep over it? I'm a pirate with Nintendo products, but if they found a way to block pirating, I wouldn't be upset, they have the right to.

Exactly, I completely agree, any company should have a right to protect their property from piracy by any practical means necessary. What it comes down to is people just want to complain about anything because they believe they have a right to.

 

[Lunatics]

That's not exactly what was pissing them off, they were pissed off that Sony removed OtherOS thus stopping them from being able to pirate games if they update

My god, you are so fucking ignorant just stop posting. There were plenty of people who legitimately used OtherOS and also played video games and played online. Someone who bought the system that was advertised to be able to run Linux and act as a computer, and be able to play games, should not have to choose between only being able to do 1 of the 2 that the system was supposed to be able to do and completely give up the other. To say people should just deal with it is retarded. People bought the system to be able to use it how it was advertised. For Sony to remove the feature and prevent them from doing one or the other is a pretty damn valid reason for people to be upset and complain about it, whether or not some of them wanted to pirate games.

And to say anyone upset about them removing OtherOS is pissed off because they couldn't pirate games is just flat out retarded.

 

[Christopher8827]

Look here - if you can't afford PS3 games, don't play the PS3. Don't be a person who buys a console but realise at the end that they can't afford the games.

 

[iNFiNiTY]

That's not exactly what was pissing them off, they were pissed off that Sony removed OtherOS thus stopping them from being able to pirate games if they update

My god, you are so fucking ignorant just stop posting. There were plenty of people who legitimately used OtherOS and also played video games and played online. Someone who bought the system that was advertised to be able to run Linux and act as a computer, and be able to play games, should not have to choose between only being able to do 1 of the 2 that the system was supposed to be able to do and completely give up the other. To say people should just deal with it is retarded. People bought the system to be able to use it how it was advertised. For Sony to remove the feature and prevent them from doing one or the other is a pretty damn valid reason for people to be upset and complain about it, whether or not some of them wanted to pirate games.

And to say anyone upset about them removing OtherOS is pissed off because they couldn't pirate games is just flat out retarded.

It's true but i believe lots of people who never used it started complaining just for the sake of it anyway. At the end of the day the security of the system and the trust of their 3rd party developers is more important than appeasing a very very tiny minority of the userbase for a niche feature. I'm surprised they even did it in the first place.

 

[Phoenix Goddess]

This thread will end up closed at this rate.
There are bound to be debates, but this is just getting out of hand.
Name calling doesn't make anyone more mature than the other party.
Trying to get in the last word also, doesn't make anyone more mature than the other party.
It's best to disagree and let it be.
Sony isn't changing their minds due to their beliefs on OtherOS, it's just best to get over it and decide what to do with your PS3 since you can't run Linux.

That's about all you can do. Be grateful for the time you were able to use it.