PS Jailbreak - The first PS3 Modchip

[Lunatics]

It's true but i believe lots of people who never used it started complaining just for the sake of it anyway. At the end of the day the security of the system and the trust of their 3rd party developers is more important than appeasing a very very tiny minority of the userbase for a niche feature. I'm surprised they even did it in the first place.

If Sony has always been able to come up with updates to block new found exploits, I don't see why they couldn't have found a way to make an update for OtherOS or a FW update that somehow affected it, to prevent Geohots exploit without jumping to removing the system as a whole.

 

[Phoenix Goddess]

If Sony has always been able to come up with updates to block new found exploits, I don't see why they couldn't have found a way to make an update for OtherOS or a FW update that somehow affected it, to prevent Geohots exploit without jumping to removing the system as a whole.

Maybe in the future they'll come up with a solution, but for now, if you don't like it, take it up with Sony. Message them, but you won't get anywhere taking it out on the tempers here.

 

[Lunatics]

I'm not taking anything out on anyone, just saying was it really necessary to jump to removing it instead of trying to block it, especially since nothing had even come from it other than a suspicious video from Geohot.

 

[Phoenix Goddess]

I'm not taking anything out on anyone, just saying was it really necessary to jump to removing it instead of trying to block it, especially since nothing had even come from it other than a suspicious video from Geohot.

Ask Sony.

 

[Lunatics]

Okay I guess we will stop talking about anything PS3 related in this thread then and just go to Sony, sorry for bringing it up.

 

[Phoenix Goddess]

Okay I guess we will stop talking about anything PS3 related in this thread then and just go to Sony, sorry for bringing it up.

Now you're just twisting my words.
I said go ask Sony, why? Cause you'd certainly get a better answer than a pointless debate with people here.
If you're angry, go to the source, don't take it out on other people.

 

[Lunatics]

Once again, I'm not "Taking anything out" on anyone, I was merely bringing something up about the discussion that seemed more logical then the route they went with.

 

[Phoenix Goddess]

Once again, I'm not "Taking anything out" on anyone, I was merely bringing something up about the discussion that seemed more logical then the route they went with.


QUOTEMy god, you are so fucking ignorant just stop posting.

Yeah kid, I can agree with you

My point is, how will you get an answer to your question if you debate here with anger? You won't.
But if you message Sony and ask, perhaps you'll get an answer that may satisfy you more.

 

[Rydian]

• Geohot's hack came after Sony removed OtherOS.
  Sony's removal of OtherOS: September 2009 with the release of the PS3 Slim.
  Geohot's hack: January 2010.
  
• Sony removed OtherOS because they were too lazy and cheap to keep developing it.
  http://www.osnews.com/story/22073/Why_N...im_Sony_Answers

  I’m sorry that you are frustrated by the lack of comment specifically regarding the withdrawal of support for OtherOS on the new PS3 slim. The reasons are simple: The PS3 Slim is a major cost reduction involving many changes to hardware components in the PS3 design. In order to offer the OtherOS install, SCE would need to continue to maintain the OtherOS hypervisor drivers for any significant hardware changes – this costs SCE. One of our key objectives with the new model is to pass on cost savings to the consumer with a lower retail price. Unfortunately in this case the cost of OtherOS install did not fit with the wider objective to offer a lower cost PS3.
  [*]Sony has no right to remove features remotely after you bought a product.
  http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/ps3-own...her-os-removal/
  The UK has an actual law against it because of the immorality. QUOTEEuropean directive 1999/44/EC, a consumer protection law that requires goods to be "fit for the purpose which the consumer requires them and which was made known to the seller at the time of purchase."

Of course, this is GBATemp, I should know better than to expect anybody to do any damn research before posting on a subject.

 

[Lunatics]

Once again, I'm not "Taking anything out" on anyone, I was merely bringing something up about the discussion that seemed more logical then the route they went with.


QUOTEMy god, you are so fucking ignorant just stop posting.

Yeah kid, I can agree with you

My point is, how will you get an answer to your question if you debate here with anger? You won't.
But if you message Sony and ask, perhaps you'll get an answer that may satisfy you more.

Yes, that one post was with aggression, however you said the thread would get closed at this rate and name calling accomplished nothing which is true, I then posted an idea I had that I thought seemed to make more sense and brought it up in the discussion not in an angry or offensive or aggressive way. You're the one who keeps bringing up the one post as if my past few have been anything close to it. Anyway this is stupid I don't know why I'm even bothering trying to "argue" it anymore.

 

[Schizoanalysis]

Haters will hate
Trolls will troll

Either way, this news has certainly caused a stir...

If you have already purchased a large library of PS3 games, you may hate it..
If you haven't purchased many/any PS3 games, you may love it...
And if you don't have a PS3, what are you doing reading this thread?

 

[Gvaz]

I'm deciding on selling other systems in order to get a low price of a ps3, if this is true...

 

[raulpica]

*snip*
Of course, this is GBATemp, I should know better than to expect anybody to do any damn research before posting on a subject.

Thanks Rydian. Maybe finally someone will probably stop saying that Sony actually cared for Geohot.

...And they can't just remove features like that

 

[mehrab2603]

That's not exactly what was pissing them off, they were pissed off that Sony removed OtherOS thus stopping them from being able to pirate games if they update, as geohot told them that they needed it. Because of this millions of people got pissed off because they have self-entitlement issues, and feel they deserve to be able to pirate games if they want, giving Sony the finger as they are now no longer allowed to use any online features due to requirements being that you are running the latest firmware.

I know that's what the big fuss is about.
The point I was trying to make is, they aren't forced to buy a PS3, they chose to. "There's a consequence to every decision", as a proverb once said. If Sony chooses to protect their hardwork by removing features, then so be it.

then tell me who forced sony to include OtherOS in the first place?they chose to do that themselves.you say sony did the right thing by removing that for protection (which isn't correct as rydian said).now if sony disables the usb ports for protection again will you still support them?

 

[Rydian]

*snip*
Of course, this is GBATemp, I should know better than to expect anybody to do any damn research before posting on a subject.

Thanks Rydian. Maybe finally someone will probably stop saying that Sony actually cared for Geohot.

...And they can't just remove features like that

Er, sarcasm?

 

[Jamstruth]

now if sony disables the usb ports for protection again will you still support them?

They won't. The way I understand it the device turns the USB ports off and on in a certain way which bugs it into the Dev mode. Blocking this can be done in software I'd imagine

 

[MelodieOctavia]

• Geohot's hack came after Sony removed OtherOS.
  Sony's removal of OtherOS: September 2009 with the release of the PS3 Slim.
  Geohot's hack: January 2010.
  
• Sony removed OtherOS because they were too lazy and cheap to keep developing it.
  http://www.osnews.com/story/22073/Why_N...im_Sony_Answers

  I’m sorry that you are frustrated by the lack of comment specifically regarding the withdrawal of support for OtherOS on the new PS3 slim. The reasons are simple: The PS3 Slim is a major cost reduction involving many changes to hardware components in the PS3 design. In order to offer the OtherOS install, SCE would need to continue to maintain the OtherOS hypervisor drivers for any significant hardware changes – this costs SCE. One of our key objectives with the new model is to pass on cost savings to the consumer with a lower retail price. Unfortunately in this case the cost of OtherOS install did not fit with the wider objective to offer a lower cost PS3.
  [*]Sony has no right to remove features remotely after you bought a product.
  http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/ps3-own...her-os-removal/
  The UK has an actual law against it because of the immorality. QUOTEEuropean directive 1999/44/EC, a consumer protection law that requires goods to be "fit for the purpose which the consumer requires them and which was made known to the seller at the time of purchase."

Of course, this is GBATemp, I should know better than to expect anybody to do any damn research before posting on a subject.

That was a pretty large bitchsmack if I ever saw one. Bravo.

To everyone else: Okay you didn't like my analogy? alright. Same analogy, different feature.

Imagine if you wanted to store produce in your refrigerator, and the only way to do that was to have somebody come over and "fix" your refrigerator. In doing so, they disabled your ice maker. Not a primary function of the refrigerator, but it was still an advertised feature, but that doesn't really matter right?

 

[doyama]

• Sony has no right to remove features remotely after you bought a product.
  http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/09/ps3-own...her-os-removal/
  The UK has an actual law against it because of the immorality.

  European directive 1999/44/EC, a consumer protection law that requires goods to be "fit for the purpose which the consumer requires them and which was made known to the seller at the time of purchase."

Of course, this is GBATemp, I should know better than to expect anybody to do any damn research before posting on a subject.

I will argue on that last point. Firstly that is only available in the EU. Again this isn't a 'right' in the EU, but a consumer protection law (not a bad thing in my book either) Such consumer protection laws are not available in Japan or in the USA so it's not relevant in those regions.

They do have the 'right' to remove or add features as needed. Of course if they do so, they can suffer in the market place (people will complain), or have financial consequences (offering partial refunds to EU customers). They could certainly disable the USB port if they wanted. Of course they would suffer both in perception, and the lack of being able to charge your controllers, and not being able to use the PS3 Move would obviously be overriding concerns against doing that.

As a consumer you can complain, switch to a competing product, and you might even get a partial refund in the EU if a company removes a feature. In the end they have lots of accountants and quants looking at the numbers. If it wasn't for the PS3 Move, I'd almost be certain that disabling the USB would be at least be on the table in terms of the discussions. It comes down to how much the math below works out

Disable USB + cost of EU fines + sending another method to charge controllers + making another dev/repair tool + PS3 Move death + paying PR firm through the nose < cost of fixing the actual problem

If that math works out, then they'll disable the USB port. I just think the last 2 items skew the math where they won't be able to do it, and I also think fixing the problem in a firmware, without impacting the USB functionality is probably not too difficult depending on the exploit.

 

[Rydian]

I will argue on that last point. Firstly that is only available in the EU. Again this isn't a 'right' in the EU, but a consumer protection law (not a bad thing in my book either) Such consumer protection laws are not available in Japan or in the USA so it's not relevant in those regions.

Last I checked Japan and the USA still had humans with the same basic morals.

So, because of the lack of laws, there have been lawsuits.
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/108/1086720p1.html

Multiple.

 

[t_jay17]

I just read this on Maxconsole.


Well known hacking PR guru Mathieulh has stated the following on his Twitter page - "Someone from our group just successfully cloned the psjailbreak dongle. Going to improve the shell code soon." Interesting stuff, if true, it just goes to show how 'easy' this device is to clone and the potential even bigger Migraine Sony will have if they try to stop every development. Remember you can follow Maxconsole on Twitter @MaxconsoleTweet. *Update* Mathieulh claims that the exploit will be documented on the PS3Wiki as soon as possible. The writing up of it will take a 'bit'.