Hacking Please stop using RXTools

[Bryon15]

arm9loaderhax?

you could probably hold L while luma boots to go to sysnand. but I'd suggest going with arm9loaderhax so you can use sysnand only (no emunand).

I have arm9loaderhax on the root of my SD card. It came packed with luma. But how do I use it?

 

[ihaveahax]

I have arm9loaderhax on the root of my SD card. It came packed with luma. But how do I use it?

you need to actually install a9lh. "arm9loaderhax.bin" is just the payload on the SD.

 

[GerbilSoft]

By the way, i never heard of this MSET thing. What is that? How does it work?

I didn't see any response to this, so here's an explanation.

"mset" is the System Settings program. Among other things, it allows you to change the DS profile name. A buffer overflow error in mset (starting in 4.1 I think?) allowed for arbitrary code execution due to a stack smash. Since the DS profile name could be set by any DS game (including flash carts), it was fairly popular as one of the first widespread 3DS exploits. The mset exploit was fixed in 7.0.

Regarding people still using RXtools: Whining about it won't get you anywhere.

• Constantly bashing people for using RXtools is on the level of "stop liking what I don't like". What would you think if you were bashed for playing 3DS games instead of, say, mobile apps?
• If RXtools is working for someone, great. If they encounter an issue with one of the tools (e.g. eMMC backup) let them know that there's newer entry points and CFWs available that might fix the issue.
• Newer is not necessarily better. In the case of A9LH vs. menuhax and mset, sure; but what about other things like Windows 7 vs. Windows 10? (I personally prefer OSes that don't shove worthless apps in my face every five minutes.) [Bonus option: Newer 3DS firmware that patches exploits versus older 3DS firmware that still has exploits.]

 

[gnmmarechal]

On PSP you had to find patched ISOs or patch them to work in 5.50 M33-X after the 6.XX OFW started to appear. The support to actually circumvent these AP checks were done on newer CFW.

Sure, but tbh it wasn't nearly as important as changing from RXTools.

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[Shah Isah]

Rxtools took me 5 minutes to install. Other custom firmwares require extra steps while Rxtools is a pretty straight forward procedure, Am I right?

I understand that it's development has come to a halt but it's simple and effortlessly easy to setup. What's the best cfw to use at this moment?

 

[Quantumcat]

• Constantly bashing people for using RXtools is on the level of "stop liking what I don't like". What would you think if you were bashed for playing 3DS games instead of, say, mobile apps?

• They aren't being bashed - they are being reminded that they are using something broken, and they can do exactly what they're doing now, except with something less broken. If your friend is driving around an old car and has little children, and you can see the engine light is on and smoke pours out of the bonnet whenever she hits the accelerator, don't you have a duty as a friend to tell her she should maybe consider getting a new car? If only for the sake of the children.

• If RXtools is working for someone, great. If they encounter an issue with one of the tools (e.g. eMMC backup) let them know that there's newer entry points and CFWs available that might fix the issue.

• It only barely works - at some point they are going to want to do something that can't be done, or something is going to break. The longer they wait, the less likely there will exist anyone who can help them. Btter to switch earlier. Even now, 90% of the time if someone starts a help request by saying they have rxTools, the people that answer won't even look at their question before telling them to switch to Luma.

• Newer is not necessarily better. In the case of A9LH vs. menuhax and mset, sure; but what about other things like Windows 7 vs. Windows 10? (I personally prefer OSes that don't shove worthless apps in my face every five minutes.)

• It's more like Windows 98 vs. Windows 7. If someone is clinging to an old OS, and asks why they keep getting viruses and why no programs work, are you going to try and work out am workaround for them in Windows 98? Or are you going to roll your eyes and tell them to use a modern OS already?

 

[Deleted User]

Rxtools took me 5 minutes to install. Other custom firmwares require extra steps while Rxtools is a pretty straight forward procedure, Am I right?

I understand that it's development has come to a halt but it's simple and effortlessly easy to setup. What's the best cfw to use at this moment?

Doesn't rxTools require more steps? With Luma it was just drag and drop, but with rxTools I had to do things like generating a firmware.bin and stuff.

 

[Zyteus]

Rxtools took me 5 minutes to install. Other custom firmwares require extra steps while Rxtools is a pretty straight forward procedure, Am I right?

I understand that it's development has come to a halt but it's simple and effortlessly easy to setup. What's the best cfw to use at this moment?

The best right now is Luma3ds plus a9lh.

 

[Shah Isah]

Doesn't rxTools require more steps? With Luma it was just drag and drop, but with rxTools I had to do things like generating a firmware.bin and stuff.

Hmm, interesting, I didn't have to do any of that. Found premade files. All I had to do, if i remember correctly is Setup the homebrew channel, install menuhax and then install Rxtools. it was sailing smooth for me. After all that, I got annoyed of having to load the browser to load rxtools 10million times so I found CTRbootmanager. And that's it! If i want to load emunand, I hold L and i'm in.

 

[GalladeGuy]

I couldn't agree more. The only reason I include it in my update guides or whatever you want to call it is for completion's sake.

 

[gnmmarechal]

Rxtools took me 5 minutes to install. Other custom firmwares require extra steps while Rxtools is a pretty straight forward procedure, Am I right?

I understand that it's development has come to a halt but it's simple and effortlessly easy to setup. What's the best cfw to use at this moment?

Wrong. Changing to Luma is almost literally drag and drop. Hell, if you get A9LH (which comes with a ton of benefits), Luma is literally a single file.

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[Shah Isah]

Wrong. Changing to Luma is almost literally drag and drop. Hell, if you get A9LH (which comes with a ton of benefits), Luma is literally a single file.

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I shall dig deeper into this so called LumaCfw

 

[Quantumcat]

I shall dig deeper into this so called LumaCfw

http://gbatemp.net/threads/tutorial-updating-from-rxtools-to-luma3ds.427735/

 

[GerbilSoft]

They aren't being bashed - they are being reminded that they are using something broken, and they can do exactly what they're doing now, except with something less broken. If your friend is driving around an old car and has little children, and you can see the engine light is on and smoke pours out of the bonnet whenever she hits the accelerator, don't you have a duty as a friend to tell her she should maybe consider getting a new car? If only for the sake of the children.

Poor analogy. Using RXtools with 11.1 EmuNAND doesn't somehow "reduce" the functionality of the 3DS compared to the same system with A9LH+Luma3DS. That, and since it's EmuNAND, any breakage will only prevent the EmuNAND from booting, not a brick.

It only barely works - at some point they are going to want to do something that can't be done, or something is going to break. The longer they wait, the less likely there will exist anyone who can help them. Btter to switch earlier. Even now, 90% of the time if someone starts a help request by saying they have rxTools, the people that answer won't even look at their question before telling them to switch to Luma.

And 90% of the time that's the generic response even if it has absolutely nothing to do with the CFW.

It's more like Windows 98 vs. Windows 7. If someone is clinging to an old OS, and asks why they keep getting viruses and why no programs work, are you going to try and work out am workaround for them in Windows 98? Or are you going to roll your eyes and tell them to use a modern OS already?

Funny thing about that, there's some utilities like KernelEx that allow you to run programs that use 2000/XP-level functionality on Win98. But again, this is a bad comparison. CFW isn't an OS by itself; it patches the existing OS. Missing functionality in RXtools isn't going to prevent you from playing 3DS games right now.

 

[Quantumcat]

Poor analogy. Using RXtools with 11.1 EmuNAND doesn't somehow "reduce" the functionality of the 3DS compared to the same system with A9LH+Luma3DS. That, and since it's EmuNAND, any breakage will only prevent the EmuNAND from booting, not a brick.

The analogy was meant to show that it is about to break at any second, even if you can drive from place to place right now. You don't want to be stranded on a highway at 1am with small children and you've forgotten to renew your roadside assistance subscription.

And 90% of the time that's the generic response even if it has absolutely nothing to do with the CFW.

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The reason people tell people using rxTools to switch is because either a) (most of the time) it is the fault of the CFW and the solution is to switch, or b) they don't know how to troubleshoot it since it is rare for anyone responding to a question to have much experience with it, since people who have been in the scene for a while tend to use the best thing available (and it has been a very long time since rxTools was the best available). And again the solution is likely to be to switch.

Funny thing about that, there's some utilities like KernelEx that allow you to run programs that use 2000/XP-level functionality on Win98. But again, this is a bad comparison. CFW isn't an OS by itself; it patches the existing OS. Missing functionality in RXtools isn't going to prevent you from playing 3DS games right now.

If someone is smart enough to use those programs, they are probably also smart enough to be using a modern OS. (Using Windows 98 as your main OS, connected to the net and everything, is like yelling to hackers to please come send all your viruses here).

 

[Inochi.no.Zenmai]

> Poor analogy
> He's the one who started the analogy

I mean, if you like rxTools, that's fine, but stop trying to deny the fact it is outdated and everyone should be moving on from it.

This is a very nice read BTW, I missed it before https://gbatemp.net/entry/rxtools-why-should-you-stop-using-it-and-what-can-you-do.11313/

 

[ih8ih8sn0w]

Poor analogy. Using RXtools with 11.1 EmuNAND doesn't somehow "reduce" the functionality of the 3DS compared to the same system with A9LH+Luma3DS. That, and since it's EmuNAND, any breakage will only prevent the EmuNAND from booting, not a brick.

<rant>It does a lot actually. With rxtools, you have to use ntr cfw 3.4 (which I'm pretty sure cannot even boot with rxtools atm) to get n3ds clock speeds on a normal game. You have to have key_0x1B and key_0x16 in order to boot n3ds emunand (no other modern cfw directly needs this), rxmode doesn't have half the patches that modern cfw has (region free, update blockers, code_sections, etc.), its built in fbi injector lacks the ability to even dump hs.app (hell, it says that fbi is a legal cia installer), every extra "feature" is either broken, is outdated, or slow (I'm 90% sure that nand backups don't even work correctly), and there is poor documentation on the features it has. Adding to this: IT SAYS IN THE README THAT NINJHAX ISN'T EVEN A STABLE OPTION FOR BOOTING INTO IT. I know that cfw in general isn't stable through homebrew (because praise that yellow screen), but if you have to state that it isn't stable up front, there is probably a major flaw. </rant>

<rant>(this is separate from the above) This cfw is not something that a person with a lack of knowledge of 3ds hacking should be using now (if you have to ask if 11.1 broke rxtools specifically, you are probably in this list, no offense), and people who do have the knowledge and capability to function with little help from others know how shitty of a cfw option this is in 2016. It was great while it lasted, but it needs to die out with gateway, and let newer cfws take its place on the throne. </rant>

 

[Deleted User]

(I'm 90% sure that nand backups don't even work correctly)

Back when I set up rxTools on my 3DS, it took me 20 tries to backup my NAND. I ended up giving up.

 

[foreveryang]

LOL I POSTED THIS IN THE WRONG PLACE bye

 

[Ryccardo]

If someone is smart enough to use those programs, they are probably also smart enough to be using a modern OS. (Using Windows 98 as your main OS, connected to the net and everything, is like yelling to hackers to please come send all your viruses here).

[off topic]
Have you actually tried? Most malware (and, for that matter, honest programs) nowadays use XP SP2+ kernel functions and thus fail to run on these vintage OSes, meaning that in typical online use yes, they're more secure than a moderately outdated modern Windows