Hacking Please stop making stupid YouTube videos

[urherenow]

As the title says. Seems half of the videos are either wrong or incomplete. A bunch of others are outdated, because people never bother removing them. I'm tired of seeing dumb issues on github for homebrew that requires kernel access (such as FBI), only to find out the user followed some video to get homebrew working, but didn't install CFW.

At the very least, have some decency and link the damn guide!

https://3ds.hacks.guide/

 

[Adjule]

No let people suffer with bricked 3DSes
Don't tell them anything

 

[The Catboy]

This is just screaming into a void. People are going to make them and others are going to follow them. We can repeat the same mantra over and over again, but it ain’t gonna change a thing

 

[Technicmaster0]

Guys, stop advertising 3ds.hacks.guide as the holy grail. It's partly faulty.

Can we please stop to make these general accusations?

 

[TurdPooCharger]

Guys, stop advertising 3ds.hacks.guide as the holy grail. It's partly faulty.

Can we please stop to make these general accusations?

Are you kidding us? 3ds.hacks.guide IS the holy grail. Where do you think all those YouTube tutorials derive their information from?

Those videos become outdated and aren't updated to reflect the latest and most relevant hacking techniques and methods. We've had far too many newcomers with their bricked or nonfunctional 3DS systems because they followed old videos.

Because 3ds.hacks.guide is in written format, it is flexible enough to edit corrections when needed and can reach across multiple users of different languages. This is something video tutorials cannot do in an unified manner without serious effort and upkeep by the YouTube uploader.

 

[DinohScene]

You can make something idiot proof but someone will make a better idiot.

 

[Technicmaster0]

Are you kidding us? 3ds.hacks.guide IS the holy grail. Where do you think all those YouTube tutorials derive their information from?

Those videos become outdated and aren't updated to reflect the latest and most relevant hacking techniques and methods. We've had far too many newcomers with their bricked or nonfunctional 3DS systems because they followed old videos.

Because 3ds.hacks.guide is in written format, it is flexible enough to edit corrections when needed and can reach across multiple users of different languages. This is something video tutorials cannot do in an unified manner without serious effort and upkeep by the YouTube uploader.

Maybe the youtube videos take parts from the guide, but they can also improve on it.
The guide is not up to date either. One example: the flashcards with timebomb got a kernel update a few months ago which changes the timebomb time. 3ds.guide is not updated.
You can always upload new videos or write updates into the description.
Or look at switch.hacks.guide which is made by the same person. That's outdated as hell.

 

[FAST6191]

As was mentioned you are probably not going to change any minds -- most such people making the guides seem to not to be on places like this to even see it, and even when they are they can be driven by dreams of being the next [insert popular channel] and fail to appreciate the nuance, to say nothing of the general limitations of the current video formats* and almost religious zeal some seem to have for the video format in general.

That said there is a better solution. Make better guides and keep them updated (deleting old videos as it becomes necessary), or at least keep methods safe and able to redirect people to current text when not.

*not entirely unrelated but I have seen many requests over the years to make video guides to ROM hacking, as though it will render the process less arcane and more accessible. Despite video and ROM hacking both being long term, front and centre hobbies of mine, ones I can say I have some considerable talent for, I am at a loss for how to do it and make it remotely compelling and useful. Most console hacking techniques tend to be more of a flow chart with premade steps but hey.

 

[Brawl345]

Can we please stop to make these general accusations?

Kinda funny that you say that since you do modding YouTube videos yourself
But yeah 3ds.hacks.guide was long time not updated for Frogminer and is not a really good tutorial for understanding the process. It's just "do this and this" step-by-step. switch.hacks.guide is even worse because it doesn't even exist - it still shows 2 year old information.

 

[Technicmaster0]

Kinda funny that you say that since you do modding YouTube videos yourself
But yeah 3ds.hacks.guide was long time not updated for Frogminer and is not a really good tutorial for understanding the process. It's just "do this and this" step-by-step. switch.hacks.guide is even worse because it doesn't even exist - it still shows 2 year old information.

I think that I have the right to defend what I do - and I don't go around and complain about written guides (normally).
And people will think "ooh I heared of hacks.guide - it's great so the switch hacks guide must be the place to go".

 

[TurdPooCharger]

Maybe the youtube videos take parts from the guide, but they can also improve on it.
The guide is not up to date either. One example: the flashcards with timebomb got a kernel update a few months ago which changes the timebomb time. 3ds.guide is not updated.
You can always upload new videos or write updates into the description.
Or look at switch.hacks.guide which is made by the same person. That's outdated as hell.

Except video guides don't continually improve upon themselves or make corrections when needed. Popular channels like sthetix have not shown that level of attention, which is why the regular members here who help others fix and unbrick their systems do not support them when their problem arise from using those outdated guides in the first place. Those videos covering particular subjects are often posted one time and left alone, and the reason for this is that editing videos require more time, patience, and effort than written guides.

If flashcart kernel timebomb is the worst offensive you can find for outdated info at 3ds.hacks.guide, then I'm glad that the guide is more or less perfect. If you see something wrong, why don't you help out the community by pointing out what you found to those who maintain 3ds.hack.guide, so that they can fix it? The squeaky wheel gets the grease.

• [GitHub] Guide 3DS, issues

Look at all the commits that have been done for 3ds.hacks.guide. It is not a one time deal but a WIP project. You simply cannot get that from videos.

I think that I have the right to defend what I do - and I don't go around and complain about written guides (normally).
And people will think "ooh I heared of hacks.guide - it's great so the switch hacks guide must be the place to go".

Whatever Plailect is up to for switch.hacks.guide and the other systems are not concerns for 3DS specific custom firmware and homebrew.

 

[Technicmaster0]

Look at all the commits that have been done for 3ds.hacks.guide. It is not a one time deal but a WIP project. You simply cannot get that from videos.

I've actually reported issues and wrong statements about the ntrboot part in the past and it was a bad experience. No thanks. On the other hand there is not much development going on when it comes to ntrboot. We kind of are at a place where you can make a guide and it will probably be the way to go for the rest of the 3DS' live.
A few other problems with the guide:
-it lists the R4i-SDHC B9S as the first option in the table while it is one of the worst, maybe the worst option to choose
-The R4i Gold 3DS Deluxe Starter card does NOT support NTRBoot. Only the "blue" card from the deluxe edition which is listed below. That is a R4i Gold 3DS (RTS) card and as such it is known that it has no timebomb
-The guide is unclear about non-RTS r4i gold 3ds cards from r4ids.cn
-They should list the actual website of the flashcart together with the name since a few flashcarts might be confused with each other
-They don't list the stargate (although it's compatible)
-There are other rebrands of r4isdhc.com/r4i-sdhc.com which are compatible with ntrboot
There may be more issues

Whatever Plailect is up to for switch.hacks.guide and the other systems are not concerns for 3DS specific custom firmware and homebrew.

The problem is that people see the guide and think that it's a recommended one because it's from hacks.guide. It would be more user friendly to show a placeholder instead.

 

[TurdPooCharger]

I've actually reported issues and wrong statements about the ntrboot part in the past and it was a bad experience. No thanks. On the other hand there is not much development going on when it comes to ntrboot. We kind of are at a place where you can make a guide and it will probably be the way to go for the rest of the 3DS' live.
A few other problems with the guide:
-it lists the R4i-SDHC B9S as the first option in the table while it is one of the worst, maybe the worst option to choose
-The R4i Gold 3DS Deluxe Starter card does NOT support NTRBoot. Only the "blue" card from the deluxe edition which is listed below. That is a R4i Gold 3DS (RTS) card and as such it is known that it has no timebomb
-The guide is unclear about non-RTS r4i gold 3ds cards from r4ids.cn
-They should list the actual website of the flashcart together with the name since a few flashcarts might be confused with each other
-They don't list the stargate (although it's compatible)
-There are other rebrands of r4isdhc.com/r4i-sdhc.com which are compatible with ntrboot
There may be more issues

The problem is that people see the guide and think that it's a recommended one because it's from hacks.guide. It would be more user friendly to show a placeholder instead.

Anyway, I posted an issue in your stead.

• [Issue #1648] Improve the NTRboot section

As for why the hacks.guide isn't on top of Switch hacking development, perhaps they need more helpers and manpower to keep up with the changes.

 

[Quantumcat]

Maybe the youtube videos take parts from the guide, but they can also improve on it.
The guide is not up to date either. One example: the flashcards with timebomb got a kernel update a few months ago which changes the timebomb time. 3ds.guide is not updated.
You can always upload new videos or write updates into the description.
Or look at switch.hacks.guide which is made by the same person. That's outdated as hell.

You might be the only one who has noticed that. In which case you should either submit an issue on the guide's github or make a pull request. That's how these things work. Don't complain if you have no intention of doing anything about it.

 

[Technicmaster0]

You might be the only one who has noticed that. In which case you should either submit an issue on the guide's github or make a pull request. That's how these things work. Don't complain if you have no intention of doing anything about it.

As already stated: I did that for a few other issues in the past (but I didn't have a github account back then so I contacted plailect directly) and no thanks.

 

[The Real Jdbye]

Maybe the youtube videos take parts from the guide, but they can also improve on it.
The guide is not up to date either. One example: the flashcards with timebomb got a kernel update a few months ago which changes the timebomb time. 3ds.guide is not updated.
You can always upload new videos or write updates into the description.
Or look at switch.hacks.guide which is made by the same person. That's outdated as hell.

Yeah, that guide seems to have been getting outdated since Plailect is too busy these days to keep it up to date. It's not a big deal, it's only outdated in minor ways, not in any way that makes it dangerous to use or just overcomplicated, like some YouTube tutorials. Still it would be nice if someone took over keeping it up to date.

 

[Plailect]

Anyway, I posted an issue in your stead.

• [Issue #1648] Improve the NTRboot section

As for why the hacks.guide isn't on top of Switch hacking development, perhaps they need more helpers and manpower to keep up with the changes.

I came here from this post and yes, I will admit to the Switch guide being super out of date for a long time (unacceptably so, even). I've been trying to commit to working on it for months, but I am taking many classes and have very limited time to work on anything besides school-work these days. I have now added a notice that it is outdated, which should hopefully help people realize that who just stumble upon it.

As for the 3DS guide, this is and will remain my priority as it is by far the most popular of all of the guides. Up until just now, I was not aware of any part of it being outdated (this is the first time these ntrboot issues have been raised to me). I will address these as soon as possible (hopefully today?).

 

[TurdPooCharger]

I came here from this post and yes, I will admit to the Switch guide being super out of date for a long time (unacceptably so, even). I've been trying to commit to working on it for months, but I am taking many classes and have very limited time to work on anything besides school-work these days. I have now added a notice that it is outdated, which should hopefully help people realize that who just stumble upon it.

As for the 3DS guide, this is and will remain my priority as it is by far the most popular of all of the guides. Up until just now, I was not aware of any part of it being outdated (this is the first time these ntrboot issues have been raised to me). I will address these as soon as possible (hopefully today?).

Take your time. Your personal life takes precedent over the guides. If required, do you personally know and trust anyone who is close to both you and the homebrew community to take over upkeeping the guides for the time being? I believe you have valid concerns and prior experience where co-developing and maintaining the sites went awry soooo... If not, putting that Switch portion on notice and redirecting to other more established resources is the best you can do. This isn't suppose to be a contest!

The 3ds.hacks.guide doesn't appear to have any outdated info that warrants serious attention and immediate fixing, except for maybe those TWL_FIRM cias. (I'm elbowing your ribs, lol. It's okay, we got this covered for anyone who presents their broken DSiWare mode on these threads. Yay for System Update and Recovery Mode).

IMO, 3DS custom firmware/hacking developments has slowed down to the point where there's not much to add or fix. If there's anything (believed to be) worth improving, I think would have been brought to your attention. Any complaints, however valid they are, that you're not told about would not be fair to you accepting blame or being criticized for. One cannot fix what they don't know is broken or needs work on!