The main problem with Pimp My Wii is the automation itself. Its strength is its weakness. You shouldn't depend on one program to mess with ALL your system titles in the background. You can't stop in the middle and fix something before it's too late. If anything goes wrong, everything goes wrong.
Another problem is that the author seems to be under the assumption that newer = better. That's not always the case, especially with the Wii. Pimp My Wii installs the latest cIOS and System Menu. The benefit of having multiple slots is that you can have different versions of a cIOS, because some versions work for specific games, some don't. Many people have reported problems with the latest d2x cIOS. 222 and 223 (hermes cIOS) should be v4 to increase compatibility. The System Menu shouldn't be above 4.1 because 4.2+ has less brick protection/recovery options (many people will tell you it doesn't matter, but redundancy for brick protection is VERY GOOD THING), prevents region free for modchips (unless you use the unstable Priiloader region free hacks), and attempts to brick region changed Korean Wii's at every startup.
Now onto IOS's. Pimp My Wii patches every single IOS (although you can say "no"), which isn't a good thing. Now a patched IOS here and there isn't a big deal, and I recommend having your System Menu IOS patched, but don't go messing with every IOS you've got. With AHB access, you can patch a vanilla IOS on the fly if you need to, so there aren't any permanent changes.
As far as people bricking, a google search of '"Pimp My Wii" brick' returns about 19,400 results. Now obviously those aren't all cases of people bricking. I'm sure at least half of them are topics where people call it "Brick My Wii" and such, but you'll still find plenty of legitimate bricks caused by the software.
I think that answers all your questions. If I missed something, or if I wasn't clear, just post your question below.
Not what you need. Just what is the latest.I don't understand your 1st paragraph about depending on 1 program to mess with ALL your system titles. It only patches what is needed. And if something goes 'wrong' during any installation what are you going to do? How often do people get in the middle of a batch patch and realize they are installing the wrong files? PimpMyWii figures out what you need so you don't have to worry about it.
It does if you aren't on 4.3 already.PimpMyWii doesn't install updated System Menus. It patches things for whatever System Menu you are on. You need DOP-Mii or similar tools to update the system menu.
Not necessarily. You're assuming that your setup is exactly like everyone else's. Not all HDD's work with every cIOS. Most do fine with just about everything, but not all. For example, some HDD's (especially older ones) have much better success with hermes cIOS.I ran games w/o any problem with v8 and just updated to the latest d2x cIOS and have no problems with my collection so I must be missing the threads with people having problems. FWIW I'm using WiiFlow which only needs 249/56, 250/57.
I hate people who call others stupid instead of sympathizing with someone who made a mistake.I'm also running 4.3 with working boot2 so I have all the protection I want. The likelihood that Nintendo will come back and mess up peoples Wii's is negligible so I don't know what I am protecting. If someone doesn't block updates they are stupid IMO.
It must have changed since I used it last.PimpMyWii does not patch every IOS unless you change the default. The default is to NOT patch everything.
That's because 99% of the time when someone gets a brick, the solution (if there is one) involves using ModMii to download something.ModMii brick returns 132,000 results so which one has caused more bricks?
Not really. Have you even looked at the code?Seems to me the PimpMyWii folks have created the common logic trees branches based on the System Menu being used. I think noobs could get into a lot more trouble with ModMii if they don't know what they are doing.
No. The default is to leave it on the System Menu you have (in your case 4.3), unless you have something below 4.1, in which case it downloads 4.1 for you. That's one reason it asks what you've got when you first start.If I buy your argument on the older System Menu's are better and run the latest version of ModMii the default recommendation is to upgrade you to 4.3 and it even downloads the files for you. So ModMii pushes you to update and PimpMyWii just installs on whichever System Menu you are on.
No it doesn't. You have to have the BETA option enabled for that. The default is v8.And ModMii defaults to installing d2x v10beta 52.
Then you should get your hearing checked out.Using your arguments it sounds like PimpMyWii might be a better solution.
I don't have the real source, I've just dug through it some. I'm pretty bad at RE'ing stuff, but I was able to get an idea of how it worked.Do you have the source code JoostinOnline ? I thought he never released it. Not an adept of pmw or modmii megabatch sects, but just curious.
No need to get so defensive man. Seriously, your acting like I insulted you.
Not what you need. Just what is the latest.
I don't mean to offend you, but I'm not sure you understand how titles, particularly an IOS, works. If you can see what is going on, you can fix issues before anything is reloaded into the RAM.
It does if you aren't on 4.3 already.
Not necessarily. You're assuming that your setup is exactly like everyone else's. Not all HDD's work with every cIOS. Most do fine with just about everything, but not all. For example, some HDD's (especially older ones) have much better success with hermes cIOS.
I hate people who call others stupid instead of sympathizing with someone who made a mistake.
It must have changed since I used it last.
That's because 99% of the time when someone gets a brick, the solution (if there is one) involves using ModMii to download something.
Not really. Have you even looked at the code?
No. The default is to leave it on the System Menu you have (in your case 4.3), unless you have something below 4.1, in which case it downloads 4.1 for you. That's one reason it asks what you've got when you first start.
No it doesn't. You have to have the BETA option enabled for that. The default is v8.
Then you should get your hearing checked out.
Again, super defensive.
Pimp My Wii may be better now, but it EARNED a bad reputation. Nobody made it up. ModMii has never bricked a Wii to my knowledge, but this isn't a Pimp My Wii vs ModMii competition, although you keep bringing it up.
With regards to the source, all you need is the dol (or preferably the elf) file to get a look at the basic operation.
First off, I really have a hard time believing that he's used it on over 200 Wii's, or that you've done 300. Unless you're one of those assholes who charges money to run a few programs (and usually call themselves "hackers").
Second, I went against my better judgement when I bothered responding to your post in the first place. I was pretty sure you where going to stick your fingers in your ears and get super defensive, but I thought I'd give you a chance. You tried to turn this into a comparison against other tools, suggested I was just a hater, and that I was lying about my experience with PMW.
Third, I've have used Pimp My Wii. I speak not only from the hundreds of victims, but of my own personal experiences with it.
Joostin out.
Joostin drops mic and walks off stage.
Gentlemen, gentlemen. Agree to disagree please. Unless one of you wrote modmii and the other PMW, i dont get it.
Many (myself included) feel fully automating the process is not a good idea. Others want that option and are happy to trust a fully automated app and whatever its coded to do.
You can discuss the relative merits of each but it's still going to depend on the individual and there's no need to get agro over it.
I think the former help the latter out far more than vice versa when issues or queries arise, so even if you are dead set on PMW or another automated tool it's still good for those of that opinion to have others who prefer the alternative around
Happy to agree to disagree but if said folks continue to spew lies about said automated tool I will call them on it. People come here and look for honest answers not over the top lies.
It's not a lie if it's the truth, and the truth is that this app has had a shady past.
Wow, you've gone overboard. I wasn't going to respond anymore, but I don't like the way you are talking to everyone else. You're comparing hits google searches like they are evidence of bricks (I gave the link so you could look yourself), and trying to turn this into a PMW vs ModMii debate. You've repeatedly called me a liar and said we're just making things up (neither of which are true). Everyone here has been nice to you and you return that by going North Korea on us.
I personally prefer to mod systems my own way instead of following a guide, but there is absolutely nothing confusing about ModMii. It generates a custom HTML guide with youtube videos to guide you through the process.