Official, confirmed Kinect price announced

[Minox]

A) I don't have £100 (speculation as to UK price. Half the price of an Xbox in Britain like $150 is half of an American one) to drop on any peripheral.

UK RRP of 360 Arcade: £159.99
US RRP of 360 Arcade: $149.99

Oh shit.

Something that might be of interest:

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[George Dawes]

There are $150 (or much more) gaming keyboards, precision mice or HOTAS flight stick systems, and there are people that buy them.
I'll rephrase it, seeing as I didn't seem to make myself clear. How many CONSOLE addons sell?

Also a keyboard, mouse, flight stick etc are sold as peripherals - this is a addon.

How many CONSOLE addons have ever sold well? MegaCD? Nop. 32X? Nop. Jaguar CD (toilet seat addon)? Nop. 64DD? Nop.

CONSOLE Add-ons do NOT sell very well, especially this late in a consoles life and just hurt consumer faith in a product. Price it at ~game cost %10 and pickup some sales from gamers. Price it at the cost of the console and watch it fail miserably.



QUOTEAnd Guitar Hero and Rock Band both required tons of addons, so not all addons are failures. People are willing to pay extra for a better gaming experience.

Very different kettle of fish. Specific controllers required to play a certain game/series (densha de go, steel battalion, various racing games, music games etc) often sell OK (GH/RB instruments exceeding expectations there by selling very well).

 

[Overlord Nadrian]

But they just can't price it really low in the beginning because of the production costs and because they still have to see if it's actually worth selling the damn thing.

 

[Hadrian]

A) I don't have £100 (speculation as to UK price. Half the price of an Xbox in Britain like $150 is half of an American one) to drop on any peripheral.

UK RRP of 360 Arcade: £159.99
US RRP of 360 Arcade: $149.99

Oh shit.

Something that might be of interest:

Link

That is interesting, I just did a quick look on US & UK Amazon

 

[Joe88]

oh MS and your overpriced crap, there was a reason they didnt announce the price at their conference

even the eyetoy with 1 game launched for $49.99

 

[Veho]

I'll rephrase it, seeing as I didn't seem to make myself clear. How many CONSOLE addons sell?

Well now you're just nitpicking.

Peripheral, "specific" controller, addon; it's all just semantics. Kinect is just another controller, providing another possible control scheme for game developers. If enough (good) games start using it, it might catch on. And I don't see why Guitar Hero controllers should be exempt from this comparison. They are additional hardware that you can buy in order to fully enjoy certain games. How's that different from a "peripheral"? It's really not.

Now we can torture words and stretch definitions this way and that, the fact is, some (CONSOLE) addons sell, others don't, it all depends on what they have to offer, and how many attractive games make use of their functionality. If the sum total ends up offering a better game experience, it will sell. If not, it will fail. It's as simple, and as unpredictable as that.

 

[Fudge]

Looks like I can't use it at all. I'm pretty sure my TV is less then 6 feet from me.

 

[Rydian]

Only $210 to tickle an imaginary tiger cub!I don't even think the furries would go for it at that price.

QUOTE(Veho @ Jun 22 2010, 04:59 PM) There are $150 (or much more) gaming keyboards, precision mice or HOTAS flight stick systems, and there are people that buy them. If it enhances the gaming experience (or gives you an edge over the n00bs), Or if it enables you to do stuff you couldn't do with a mouse and keyboard, or a gamepad, it's worth it.

The problem here being that it gives no edge. We have three possible situations...

A - Game doesn't support it: no edge.
B - Game supports it, the other players are using it: no edge.
C - Game supports it, other players are using a controller instead: if what I'm reading is right and there's delay, then that's not an edge. That's not an edge at all. That's a handicap.

 

[George Dawes]

Well now you're just nitpicking.
No I'm not. In the retail chain they are purchased and promoted very differently. The gaming press treat them differently, the industry as a whole treat them differently. Many gamers treat them differently.


QUOTENow we can torture words and stretch definitions this way and that, the fact is, some (CONSOLE) addons sell

Please list all the add-ons (not controllers, not accessories but actual add-ons (such as the ones I listed - more can be found in a videogame encyclopaedia (or even wikipaedo (who incidentally offer this disctinction: "A Video game console add-on is an additional device attached to a video game console that can not function solely without the host console. It differs from a Peripheral in that it expands the base systems technical capabilities and gives new content, often in its own unique media form such as cartridges and CDs.")).

Simple fact is that console addons do not sell. They never have, and the likelihood is that they never will. Move is being marketed as a controller. It has a higher chance of selling well, but personally I can't see it. Wouldn't place money on it though, which I'd definitely put on kinect failing.

 

[Nikolay]

I'm gonna be playing my 3DS.

 

[Veho]

The problem here being that it gives no edge.
In that case look under section b):

If it enhances the gaming experience
or section c):

Or if it enables you to do stuff you couldn't do with a mouse and keyboard, or a gamepad,

QUOTE(George Dawes @ Jun 23 2010, 12:21 AM)

(who incidentally offer this disctinction: "A Video game console add-on is an additional device attached to a video game console that can not function solely without the host console. It differs from a Peripheral in that it expands the base systems technical capabilities and gives new content, often in its own unique media form such as cartridges and CDs.")).

Oddly enough, Wikipedia also contains these snippets:

"A game controller is a device used with games or entertainment system used to control a playable character or object, or otherwise provide input in a computer game. [...] The main function of a game controller is to govern the movement/actions of a playable body/object or otherwise influence the events in a video or computer game."
And funnily enough, Kinect does just that.

And the article on Kinect (filed under the category "game controllers", mind you) is just plain weird: "Kinect for Xbox 360 [...] Based around an add-on peripheral for the Xbox 360 console, it enables users to control and interact with the Xbox 360 [...] through a natural user interface using gestures, spoken commands, or presented objects and images."

Add-on (like the SegaCD)? Peripheral (like a joystick)? Used to control (like a game controller)? Which is it?

And regarding "peripherals";
"Whether something is a peripheral or part of a computer is not always clearly demarcated. [...] However, whether something can be considered a peripheral or not is a trivial matter of nomenclature, and is not a significant issue."


Addon, controller, peripheral: nitpicking, semantics, trivial matters of nomenclature. And yes, you're nitpicking.

 

[J-Mirage]

THIS is supposed to kill the Wii?​

 

[George Dawes]

And funnily enough, Kinect does just that.
Except there is no controller. There is an add-on for the 360 that contains a camera, audio sensors and "motion-sensing technology" that for allows controllerless gameplay.

And the article on Kinect is just plain weird: "Kinect for Xbox 360 [...] Based around an add-on peripheral
Almost as many idiots on wikipaedo as on gbatemp, clearly. That's what happens when someone completely lacking industry experience wants to pretend they aren't 16, and "write articles" for an online "encyclopaedia".

(filed under the category "game controllers", mind you)
Accessories Controller · HD DVD Player · Xbox Live Vision · Wireless Headset · Wireless Racing Wheel · Kinect

Seems to be under the (incredibly ambiguous) "Accessories" category.



QUOTEWhich is it?

An add-on, clearly. It enables games that wouldn't be possible without it (just the same as the CD-addons for older consoles), making it an add-on.


QUOTE

And yes, you're nitpicking.

I'm pointing out that it is an addon, and that add-ons never sell. You are trying to nitpick that joysticks, mice etc are also add-ons.

 

[tk_saturn]

Except there is no controller. There is an add-on for the 360 that contains a camera, audio sensors and "motion-sensing technology" that for allows controllerless gameplay.
There is a controller, it's the person in front of it. You use your body as the controller. With a joypad you use your hands, with Kinect you use your whole body.

I really don't see what you are arguing about.

I'm with Veho, Kinect is just another controller interface. Same goes for Wii Fit (remember that?), eyetoy, microphones for Singstar and Lips etc.

All of them interface the motion of your body, hands or voice with the game and influence what happens in the game. A joystick, mouse or Guitar controller is the same.

An Addon doesn't do that, they tend to expand the hardware capabilities. The MegaCD, 32X, Jaguar CD, 64DD all expanded the hardware in processing or storage. You can't bundle Kinect in with those.

QUOTE(Veho @ Jun 22 2010, 08:59 PM) And Guitar Hero and Rock Band both required tons of addons, so not all addons are failures. People are willing to pay extra for a better gaming experience.

Very different kettle of fish. Specific controllers required to play a certain game/series (densha de go, steel battalion, various racing games, music games etc) often sell OK (GH/RB instruments exceeding expectations there by selling very well).

What are you going on about?

What you said there exactly fits Kinect. Kinect could be a massive sucess, if it gets a must have game. I don't see that happening though.

 

[Uzumakijl]

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150$ for this laggy crap? nothanks.jpg

@Video:

"This is gonna make American kids skinny again!"

You all are missing the point of Kinect.

Personally i like it, I'm sure there will be good games for it, i don't care if it has a 100 milliseconds lag i can deal with that i'm sure there will be good games for it eventually hell, I bet they may overcome that lag in a later stage.

And for me, That price is actually DECENT for me ($155 USD), I love how people forgets outside USA/NA everybody gets everything with some really bad prices and nobody really complains, And you people get the best prices for games/consoles yet still complain about it, Seriously.

@ "OMG SAME PRICE AS NEW 360"

I would love to see a 360 for that cheap haha, for me a OLD 360 is $250 USD (Arcade) if you are lucky and Elite is $360 USD.

How many anyone would buy a $150 addon? Addons have a long history of failing miserably, looks like MS have pulled a sega (or maybe atari)...
^This post was so wrong that i had to quote it.

Adding more stuff to what Veho said, People actually spend more than "$150" on buying a fightstick and there are a lot of people buying these.

[...]
Simple fact is that console addons do not sell. They never have, and the likelihood is that they never will. Move is being marketed as a controller. It has a higher chance of selling well, but personally I can't see it. Wouldn't place money on it though, which I'd definitely put on kinect failing.

God...

Which place are you talking about?... Are you gonna tell me R.O.B. didn't sell?, Are you gonna tell me that the online adapters for NES, SNES didn't sell? Same goes for Sega Channel. Seriously don't generalize. You really are nitpicking.

QUOTE(tk_saturn @ Jun 22 2010, 07:42 PM) [...]
What you said there exactly fits Kinect. Kinect could be a massive sucess, if it gets a must have game. I don't see that happening though.

Wii didn't had a "must have" on launch neither, Think about it.

QUOTE(George Dawes @ Jun 22 2010, 06:10 PM)

Except there is no controller. There is an add-on for the 360 that contains a camera, audio sensors and "motion-sensing technology" that for allows controllerless gameplay.
[...]

They even advertised it as "YOU ARE THE CONTROLLER"...


Greets.

 

[jalaneme]

this will hit europe hard because the government recently increased the VAT to 20% so it will be more in europe, thanks to our crap government.

 

[tk_saturn]

this will hit europe hard because the government recently increased the VAT to 20% so it will be more in europe, thanks to our crap government.

Lets say the original price for Kinect is £100 (Kinect will launch before that VAT rise), the post VAT price is £102.13. That's not enough to make the difference between someone buying it and someone not buying it.

 

[DeltaBurnt]

Isn't the Move + Eyetoy + Game $100? And the standalone Kinect is $150.

Wat? From what I see Kinect is just the Eyetoy with a microphone and maybe better recognition.

So basically Microsoft is charging you more for the magical experience of having nothing (no controllers).

 

[tk_saturn]

Isn't the Move + Eyetoy + Game $100? And the standalone Kinect is $150.

Wat? From what I see Kinect is just the Eyetoy with a microphone and maybe better recognition.

So basically Microsoft is charging you more for the magical experience of having nothing (no controllers).

Some games require 2 move controllers, like the archery one. The bundle also doesn't include the $30 navcon.

So for a single player you have the starter kit ($100), extra move controller ($50) and the navcon ($30) = $180.

Then if you want to play 2 player, you're going to need two more move controllers and another navcon = $310.

Go take a took at the European prices for Move, €59.99 for the bundle, €39.99 for the ice cream controller and €29.99 for the Nav Con. For some reason, Sony are fleecing Americans over the Move bundle. It's even a lot cheaper in the UK, £49.99 for the bundle. Then £39.99 for the Ice Cream controller and £29.99 for the navcon.

At least for Europe, it looks like Sony is going to try and sucker people in with a cheap bundle. Then try to make more money when people find theyy need more controllers/ navcons.

 

[jonesman99]

well it looks like i wont be getting one, i can take that money out of my xbox stash and add it to my 3DS stash