New Cancer Vaccine Shows Promising Results in Human Safety Tests

[thegame07]

I don't mean to be disrespectful to the people who have died/suffering from cancer or disrespectful to people hoping for a cure for a family member or to the people working hard to find a 100% vaccine. However The world is beginning to become very over populated and It will end up to the point there will be even more millions of people that won't be able to feed themselves. When you think about how many people die of cancer in the world if we cure 90% of them and then cure other big diseases the world we live in will be fu**ed. Am I happy if they cure cancer? Yes I am indeed. However there will be consequences for such things if they cure it 100% and if it's cheap for the vaccine. I know people don't like to hear this but people need to die to balance the world out , It's life. We just don't want it to happen to the people we love.

Huh. Yeah. I bet you're a strong advocator of World War 3 then. Or nuclear fallout. Or anything that will halve the human population to solve our "overcrowding" problem. Yeah.

I bet the death toll of the millions of innocents who died in World War 1 and 2 made you smile, because it delayed human overcrowding by a bit. I suppose you'd smile, if a new virus epidemic surfaced that would threaten to wipe out the human race. Millions would suffer and die, but hey it's all cool since we're solving overcrowding right?

I'd suppose if, in a most unfortunate hypothetical scenario, you contracted cancer and were fighting a losing battle, you'd smile and say "Hey it's all cool, nature's taking it's course and using me to solve overcrowding", because if you wouldn't, you would retract your statement.

The gate swings both ways son. If you're personally unwilling to standby your comment when the odds aren't in your favour, it just shows how flawed it actually is.

Way to read what I said. I knew what I posted would get a reply from someone that's kind of brain dead and can't take the truth. We need people to die or the world will end up messed up, Everyone can't live until they're 100. I know you probably like to look at things through rose tinted glasses. If you read my post where did I say I personally wanted people to die? Just because someone speaks how things are doesn't mean they want them to be like that. I smile when people die? how the fu** did you come to that conclusion from my post?

Take England for example right now there is a rain drought and there's not enough water due to the high population in such a small area of land. It's only going to get worse. In 30 years it will be even worse when we cure more diseases and people will probably start living to 110 etc. I'm guessing you're quite young and can't take the harsh reality of the world. I don't blame you, it's scary when you stare at the facts of death but don't take it out on me. I will let you go back to the land of fluffy clouds and bunnys now.

I'm not scared of death myself but It's nice you think you personally know my opinion on the matter. When my time comes it comes I can accept that. I'm an atheist too, I don't think anything happens when I die. I can just take reality , unlike some people...

As the meme posters would say "reality hits you hard bro..."

 

[ZAFDeltaForce]

Way to read what I said. I knew what I posted would get a reply from someone that's kind of brain dead and can't take the truth.

The fact that people inevitably need to die is a widely known fact and an unspoken truth. You don't have to be a genius to figure out that there's limited supplies of resources and land for a growing number of people.

We need people to die or the world will end up messed up, Everyone can't live until they're 100.

That doesn't mean people shouldn't try.

I know you probably like to look at things through rose tinted glasses.

Stripped of everything, all man is left with is his optimism and hope. If you want to live your entire life being pessimistic, I certainly won't stop you.

If you read my post where did I say I personally wanted people to die? Just because someone speaks how things are doesn't mean they want them to be like that. I smile when people die? how the fu** did you come to that conclusion from my post?Take England for example right now there is a rain drought and there's not enough water due to the high population in such a small area of land. It's only going to get worse. In 30 years it will be even worse when we cure more diseases and people will probably start living to 110 etc. I'm guessing you're quiet quite young and can't take the harsh reality of the world. I don't blame you it's hard when you stare at the facts of death but don't take it out on me.

It was purely an inference. Just as how you inferred me to be "kind of brain dead".
However, it appears I was a little too harsh in judgement. Fair enough, I retract my statement.

 

[Janthran]

Death, disease, and suffering are the necessary driving forces of evolution; from this concept, we get the phrase survival of the fittest.

And humanity has survived and thrived by dint of telling "survival of the fittest" to stuff it, wherever and whenever possible.

Oh, so we're not allowed to tell the truth now?

 

[MEGAMANTROTSKY]

Death, disease, and suffering are the necessary driving forces of evolution; from this concept, we get the phrase survival of the fittest.

And humanity has survived and thrived by dint of telling "survival of the fittest" to stuff it, wherever and whenever possible.

Oh, so we're not allowed to tell the truth now?

Social Darwinism is not the truth. And while a worldview is how you view the world, it does not follow that either they are beyond criticism, or that they will not clash with other worldviews. You are, of course, no exception to this. Neither is anybody else, for that matter. Deal with it.

 

[Veho]

Oh, so we're not allowed to tell the truth now?

Did I say that?

 

[Janthran]

Death, disease, and suffering are the necessary driving forces of evolution; from this concept, we get the phrase survival of the fittest.

And humanity has survived and thrived by dint of telling "survival of the fittest" to stuff it, wherever and whenever possible.

Oh, so we're not allowed to tell the truth now?

Social Darwinism is not the truth. And while a worldview is how you view the world, it does not follow that either they are beyond criticism, or that they will not clash with other worldviews. You are, of course, no exception to this. Neither is anybody else, for that matter. Deal with it.

Death is part of life. Deal with it.

 

[Gahars]

Death, disease, and suffering are the necessary driving forces of evolution; from this concept, we get the phrase survival of the fittest.

And humanity has survived and thrived by dint of telling "survival of the fittest" to stuff it, wherever and whenever possible.

Oh, so we're not allowed to tell the truth now?

Social Darwinism is not the truth. And while a worldview is how you view the world, it does not follow that either they are beyond criticism, or that they will not clash with other worldviews. You are, of course, no exception to this. Neither is anybody else, for that matter. Deal with it.

Death is part of life. Deal with it.

You really like arguing in circles, don't you?

Troll harder.

 

[Janthran]

Death, disease, and suffering are the necessary driving forces of evolution; from this concept, we get the phrase survival of the fittest.

And humanity has survived and thrived by dint of telling "survival of the fittest" to stuff it, wherever and whenever possible.

Oh, so we're not allowed to tell the truth now?

Social Darwinism is not the truth. And while a worldview is how you view the world, it does not follow that either they are beyond criticism, or that they will not clash with other worldviews. You are, of course, no exception to this. Neither is anybody else, for that matter. Deal with it.

Death is part of life. Deal with it.

You really like arguing in circles, don't you?

Troll harder.

I'm not trolling, it's true.
Death is part of life.

 

[MEGAMANTROTSKY]

I'm not trolling, it's true.
Death is part of life.

Your insistence on this truism is confusing, since none of us ever said otherwise. I was chastising for your rhetoric initially because for you classifying cancer as the adjective "really bad" was erroneous, because apparently some worldviews did not contain that adjective (or concept). That came across as rather insensitive to me, considering cancer is, scientifically, harmful at best and fatal at worst. Then you attempted to justify your own appraisal by reducing all of human history to natural selection. I'm not entirely sure why you felt justified to go that far. Either way, this argument was not about whether death is part of life, it was the fact that your attitude toward cancer appeared as callous. Your "death is a part of life" "argument" is telling. It's as if you're sitting in an ivory tower, saying: "Oh, can't cure cancer. Fact of life. Get over it. Whatever." Why don't you try applying such responses to other human tragedies and see what reactions arise? I imagine it would be entertaining for you as well as physically painful. In any case, I believe a glance at the previous posts up to this point will justify my view.

I would also suggest that you do more research on the term "survival of the fittest", because the way you're using it is entirely different to how Darwin did. http://en.wikipedia...._of_the_fittest
I wish you luck in your intellectual endeavors.

 

[Janthran]

I'm not trolling, it's true.
Death is part of life.

Your insistence on this truism is confusing, since none of us ever said otherwise. I was chastising for your rhetoric initially because for you classifying cancer as the adjective "really bad" was erroneous, because apparently some worldviews did not contain that adjective (or concept). That came across as rather insensitive to me, considering cancer is, scientifically, harmful at best and fatal at worst. Then you attempted to justify your own appraisal by reducing all of human history to natural selection. I'm not entirely sure why you felt justified to go that far. Either way, this argument was not about whether death is part of life, it was the fact that your attitude toward cancer appeared as callous. Your "death is a part of life" "argument" is telling. It's as if you're sitting in an ivory tower, saying: "Oh, can't cure cancer. Fact of life. Get over it. Whatever." Why don't you try applying such responses to other human tragedies and see what reactions arise? I imagine it would be entertaining for you as well as physically painful. In any case, I believe a glance at the previous posts up to this point will justify my view.

I would also suggest that you do more research on the term "survival of the fittest", because the way you're using it is entirely different to how Darwin did. http://en.wikipedia...._of_the_fittest
I wish you luck in your intellectual endeavors.

For the record, it's not my worldview. I was just curious as to the reactions I would get for acting the worldview of the majority to the extreme.
As far as Evolution is concerned, death is good. Death means progress.
Anyone trying to save lives is actually fighting progress.

 

[Guild McCommunist]

For the record, it's not my worldview. I was just curious as to the reactions I would get for acting the worldview of the majority to the extreme.
As far as Evolution is concerned, death is good. Death means progress.
Anyone trying to save lives is actually fighting progress.

To be honest, it's looking very likely that part of our "evolution" is eliminating cancer.

 

[Janthran]

For the record, it's not my worldview. I was just curious as to the reactions I would get for acting the worldview of the majority to the extreme.
As far as Evolution is concerned, death is good. Death means progress.
Anyone trying to save lives is actually fighting progress.

To be honest, it's looking very likely that part of our "evolution" is eliminating cancer.

And what personal profit actually is that?

 

[Vinnymac]

I clicked on this thread expecting an intellectual discussion on cancer vaccines. This is awkward, I will find my way out...

P.S. Cancer sucks

 

[Gahars]

As far as Evolution is concerned, death is good. Death means progress.
Anyone trying to save lives is actually fighting progress.

I'm sorry, you seem to have mixed up the actual theory of evolution with it's made up, supervillian cousin evilution. It's an all too common mistake.

 

[Deleted_171835]

For the record, it's not my worldview. I was just curious as to the reactions I would get for acting the worldview of the majority to the extreme.
As far as Evolution is concerned, death is good. Death means progress.
Anyone trying to save lives is actually fighting progress.

I guess we should let all murderers be. And don't try to cure ill patients. Not to mention that we should never help victims out in a natural disaster. After all, that would be fighting progress, wouldn't it?

Oh and when you get struck with a disease, be sure to ask the doctors to leave you be. After all, we don't want to impede progress.

 

[Hyro-Sama]

[member='Janthran'] says: Get paid. FUCK everything else.

 

[Densetsu]

As far as Evolution is concerned, death is good. Death means progress.
Anyone trying to save lives is actually fighting progress.

So I guess this is your entire argument, distilled into its purest form.

Well, allow me to retort.

The entire point of evolution is to survive. As far as evolution is concerned, if you die, it means you weren't fast enough to catch your food. It means you weren't strong enough to escape your predator. It means you weren't tall enough to reach the fruits on the trees. It means your physiology wasn't fit enough to withstand the harsh weather. It means your fur wasn't the right color to camouflage you like others of your species. In other words, if you die, it's because you failed to evolve. As far as evolution is concerned, death means failure.

And I'm studying to become a doctor. You know, to save lives. Would you say I'm fighting progress? What "progress" am I fighting? The progress of cancer? The progress of disease? Yeah, I guess.

But the job description of my chosen career (preserving life) certainly does not hinder the progress of humanity.

Death means progress? How many potential Einsteins, Rembrandts and Mozarts do you think have been snuffed out of existence by natural disasters, pandemics and mass genocides committed throughout human history? You know, people who would have contributed greatly to our progress? Even if those kinds of people are one in a million, their impact would have affected the entire world. But we'll never know because they were never given a chance to make their mark in history. Because death claimed them, thus impeding progress.

 

[leic7]

Just wait and see what kind of long-term effects this "vaccine" would have. I only read the excerpt in the OP, but is it right that they tested this on just 10 (ten) people? Uhh...yeah, definitely wait and see.

IF it actually works, my concern is this would further the evolutionary/technology arms race between medical treatment and cancer, like the invention of antibiotics has. But that would be another discussion for another day.