NES Release list in the UK.

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  1. AhmetoFihhhters_1
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    You may need to compile that list yourself from the info you already have access to :)
     
  3. FAST6191

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    What's with all the history of the NES in Europe questions? I would ask if we are doing your homework but this feels more like we are doing a research thesis instead as I doubt any normal homework would be this, or if it is then it is one of those "own topic" things teachers allow to have a student fail and realise that they might have bitten off more than they could chew.
    Also why would this site be a good place to ask? This is neither a NES focused site (though even nesdev would probably struggle here for reasons I am about to cover) nor a game history focused site (in one of your earlier things I already mentioned how game history from around then is very hazy -- https://www.gamasutra.com/view/feature/167392/sad_but_true_we_cant_prove_when_.php https://www.theverge.com/2015/9/14/9324833/super-mario-brothers-30th-anniversary-date ), and beyond that the "Scene"* was not really a thing for the NES while the NES was active and whatever there was** was not terribly unified -- such a lack of unity carried on through the console scenes until late PS1 era (which still means most of the PS1 was a mess). Certainly there are those that enjoy the occasional discussion about the NES (or older games in general), about game history (much less the history of games in the UK) and about Scene things but it is still odd.

    *The Scene itself is not really tied to commercial releases in the way you probably want -- for many years getting something ahead of street date (sometimes months) was a coup, and for other things then things that fewer people cared about then it could be missed and be released after the fact, or when anti piracy protection was cracked.

    **while there were unofficial releases (see Tengen's efforts), cloned games (I know less here but there are designs from around then on adding different chips), cheats (the court case involving Galoob being of interest to more than just games), so called Hong Kong mappers and interesting dealings but more kicked off with the rise of emulation of the device ( https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/...mbitious-emulator-that-redefined-retro-gaming ) and later designs of flash carts (which continues to this day -- it has not been so long since Krikzz and everdrive took on things), possibly also some ROM hacking as it seems to be bringing all sorts of games out of Japan or fixing up things that might have fallen flat back in the day.

    Given that later games lack source code ( https://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1014845/sega-loses-source-code-games ) because of bad retention practices I doubt even if you were given access to Nintendo's archives, a lot of time, could speak Japanese and knew business that you could piece together who got given the (usually sharply limited) supplies of lockout chips, and that is before we deal with the Tengen and Atari question (before Sega vs Accolade there was Nintendo vs Atari).
     
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    It's neccesary before visting UK.

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    Because i can't find a another site in my mind.
     
  5. FAST6191

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    Why? They are not going to challenge you to trivia on it in customs.

    Similarly if you were planning to come away with a (presumably PAL) NES collection or stock a shop to sell back somewhere else for the silly money by wandering into a shop and slapping down some cash while on a trip to the UK then good luck with one. You might find the odd NES game in a non chain* shop (all 5 of them that still exist) or pawn shop with a dedicated game section (have been to a few) but most of it is online, in retro fayres/events or exceptional luck in car boot sales/charity shops/similar -- I go to loads of such places and seldom find anything for the PS1 (and that is usually sports games. PS2 on up is about all you find these days), never mind the older consoles. Outside of online and retro events (and even those are tricky) then I have not see anything resembling a decent NES selection for sale in decades at this point, much less one where you need to keep a list of available games and values thereof in your head.
    If you are thinking about anything resembling collector grade then allow me to start laughing now -- battered label loose things with one of the black plastic slip wallets is all you can really expect here.

    *to be fair CEX might have a £30 copy of Super Mario or something. Assuming it is not a repro anyway.

    As for other sites. nesdev is more about developing on the NES so probably less about UK game history (they have a lot of people that know an awful lot about the NES and its various accessories and related trivia). There are not many UK centric NES sites like you might find for the C64, BBC micro or Amiga or something. Also I will refer back to the how hazy history actually is around that point -- if we don't know the North American release date of Super Mario then chances of finding the release date (which might have been more when different shops stuck it on shelves than a region wide release) for the UK release of Defender of the Crown or Shadowgate or something is probably going to take PHD levels of research per game or per game company (and given most pubs did not cross over from the US or Japan to do their business at this point and farmed it out..).
     
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    I sayed, because it's neccesary before visting UK!

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    OK! I'm going to nesdev, but someone don't ban me after posting this! This account may be unused.
     
  7. FAST6191

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    I read that. My reply was with that in mind. I however could not fathom a reason why you would need to know the chronological release dates of NES games in the UK prior to a visit to the UK.
    If it is not academic then most such people asking such questions tend to be wanting to put together a collection or stock for a shop (if you are from/heading back to Turkey I can only imagine how expensive and hard to get such things are there) and I wanted to say you are not going to be able to come here, drop some money on a counter, be thanked for clearing space on someone's shelves or taking their kid's old games after they moved out before returning to be the computer game king of Constantinople. In fact I am here, know the land, know the state of play, know the console, know the hardware in the console, can fix things if they are broken, know the language, know all the tricks... give me £10000 and a month and I would still fail to get too far here if I am not allowed to just buy online and a retro event does not fall within that timeframe -- NES games are rare and hard to come by here too, just probably not quite as hard. If you wanted to come and find them littering shelves and being sold at "get this out of my store/attic/basement/cellar" prices then you are about 25 years too late for the really good stuff and 10-15 years too late for the last possible time you could have achieved something like it (retro started taking off about 20 years ago here and the NES was a prime target, not to mention many probably still had one in their attic or something).


    Beyond that, as already mentioned, nobody probably knows the release dates beyond the years mentioned in the box, and maybe with a cross referencing in a stack of magazines from around the time (there might have been a Nintendo power in the UK but around then it was all a mish mash of magazines) and a few other sources then you might get it down to a 2 to 3 month window of when it should have been released. When it actually made it onto shelves in game shops is a different matter still -- games were popular but nothing like it is today, or was after the PS1 took off, many a catalogue shop would also have only stocked the big hits after they were proven as well, delays and cancellations (or entire stocks being diverted to other parts of Europe) were all too common at all points during that as well. nesdev will do well at answering questions on 6502 coding, and possibly on the weird and wonderful peripherals, but they are going to face all the same problems anybody looking to make such a thing faces.

    If you are looking stuff like on http://www.advanscene.com/ or http://www.abgx.net/ for the GBA, DS, 360 and such then most of the chronological stuff on them is a) Scene release dates and b) done at a time when it was fairly unified and plenty of people cared, even gamefaqs frequently got things wrong outside of the big releases when the xbox 360 was current (especially European dates) and stuff like https://www.mobygames.com/ is constantly adding data as it gets unearthed. While Scene stuff might make an adequate substitute in the case of the GBA or something then for the NES there was no central effort (plenty of stuff might have been dumped by never spread), rules governing quality (meaning later redumps would be necessary) or anything like that, and largely occurred years after the fact to boot.

    Finally we don't tend to ban people that aren't spamming or disrupting the forum. You are doing neither. Just asking an interesting question or series of them, though slightly odd ones.
     
  8. alexander1970

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    Hello fellow NES Information Collector.:)

    How is it going with your research ?
    Do you have any News for us ?

    Thank you.:)
     
  9. AhmetoFihhhters_1
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    Well i done now!
     
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    Great to hear that news from you.:yay:

    And is it maybe possible that we also have to know a little about your research please ?
    Do you have a Homepage or something else for us where we can look over your great research work ?
    That would be very kind from you,if you are sharing your Stuff with this great Community.

    Thank you.:)
     
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    Hello.:)
    I did not expect this after my question: Silence.......:(
     
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