ROM Hack Need Help: Chrono Trigger Translation

[nIxx]

Hmm it seems that Wastor´s values are not right
here is what i have found in system.msg at 0xa25 starts the "text" for the special characters (0x6c21 for the normal characters)
so it was not difficult to find the rest

(I think the values between the normal and special characters are for the japanese characters)

C288=ö
C581=¡
C582=¿
C583=Á
C584=Ä
C585=È
C586=Ë
C587=Ì
C588=Í
C589=Î
C58A=Ï
C58B=Ñ
C58C=Ò
C58D=Ó
C58E=Ö
C58F=ß
C590=Ù
C591=Ú
C592=Û
C593=Ü
C594=á
C595=ä
C596=ë
C597=ì
C598=ñ
C599=ò
C59A=ó
C59B=ü
C281=ú

 

[Mentz]

This is what I see in system.msg (using my viewer)
tag is for 0x02

CODE0123456789

0123456789

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ

ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ

abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

CODE!?/&'.() -

!?/&'.() -

ÀÂÇÉÊÔà âçèéêíîïôùûŒœ

ÀÂÇÉÊÔà âçèéêíîïôùûŒœ

Back

Retour

Accept

Confirmer


Obtained !


Obtenu :ÂÂ!


It's empty!


Il est vide !


ObtainedÂÂG!


Obtenu :ÂÂG !


It's correct?

 

[Wastor]

My values are right. I'm working with files into 'big' directory. In this picture I use tutorial.msg.

Your values are right too!!!! hahaha

 

[Mentz]

My values are right. I'm working with files into 'big' directory. In this picture I use tutorial.msg.

Your values are right too!!!! hahaha

OMG !!!

 

[nIxx]

@Mentz: Except the missing special characters your dump is right
If you use my values you will see them

@Wastor: Possibly these are the values for the small don´t know anyway know we have two "sets" of characters xD

 

[Mentz]

@Mentz: Except the missing special characters your dump is right
If you use my values you will see them

Ok... I will work to fix them...

 

[nIxx]

Hi
i wrote a msg file Text Dumper too

if someone wants to try it out here is a link to my first version (nothing special at all but for me it´s the second text dumper i ever wrote

)
http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=1DC21OZE

 

[Rigle]

Hi
i wrote a msg file Text Dumper too

if someone wants to try it out here is a link to my first version (nothing special at all but for me it´s the second text dumper i ever wrote

)
http://www.megaupload.com/de/?d=1DC21OZE

Oh, I'll try your dumper ^^

 

[Mentz]

A dumper need a reinserter/repointer...
An editor si all in one without creating a lot of txt file...
I'm trying to finish my app, but i must complete other tools for other translation before complete this...

 

[Rigle]

A dumper need a reinserter/repointer...
An editor si all in one without creating a lot of txt file...
I'm trying to finish my app, but i must complete other tools for other translation before complete this...

Ok, I'll wait your app ^^

 

[nIxx]

A dumper need a reinserter/repointer...
An editor si all in one without creating a lot of txt file...
I'm trying to finish my app, but i must complete other tools for other translation before complete this...

Of course this needs a reinserter

but this shouldn´t be a problem since the msg File Format is really easy.
And if i wanted i could make a GUI

Anyway i´m open to learn

(I´m still new in translating games)
So if you want possibly we can help us !?
(at least the table file could be usefull for you only the japanes characters should be missing)

cYa nIxx

 

[Wastor]

I wrote a repointer program (only repointer) for a spanish translation and it works fine. I used a rare program for this job, but it's efficient. If anyone needs help for write or feel curiosity, feel free to give me a PM.

 

[Crosser]

So nIxx (or should I call you Takti?), everything's dead already on your side? Anybody? This looked quite promising. Maybe I should also contribute to the cause of researching CT DS by posting my junk from the rh.net thread:

Hey and i would like to know where do you found these font images and got the images

.
I'm not really sure what you are asking, as you should already know where the fonts are.

If you mean where I found those images, I can tell for sure that they weren't floating on the net.

I made them with a little program of mine used for testing my Image class (which works pretty good even with 2bpp graphics, it seems). I haven't reversed everything of the .fnt format used by TOSE, but most of it. Here goes the structure for the first 16 bytes:

typedef struct FONT_HEADER
{
ÂÂÂÂBYTE magic[8];ÂÂÂÂ// always "\x00\x00\x00\x00FONT"
ÂÂÂÂBYTE height;ÂÂÂÂ// overall height for the font
ÂÂÂÂBYTE depth;ÂÂÂÂ// it's not actually used in game
ÂÂÂÂshort total;ÂÂÂÂ// counter for characters stored
ÂÂÂÂULONG unk2;ÂÂÂÂ// unknown crap, MARIO THISS NEED MORE SHIT
};

Other than this, there's other data that I really dunno what's used for (didn't bother to check in a debugger). AFTER this huge unknown chunk there is a series of 32 bit absolute pointers (which can be also NULL'd, meaning garbage that can be ignored) to all the tile glyphs. Each item pointed varies in size, depending oh what's in the subheader. This subheader is made of 2 bytes, the first with the character width, the second with the size specification. There are 4 size specs:
0=empty character;
1=4x? (1 byte for each row)
2=8x? (2 bytes for each row)
3=12x? (3 bytes for each row)
Repace '?' with the height value in the main header. I guess that's all.
According to a post on rh.net, it seems like this format is shared among other portings made by TOSE. I suspect it's the same also used for GBA portings of FF. And while we're at it...

- Japanese big:

- Japanese small:

- American/European big:

- American/European small:

Each of these corresponds to the big/small folders in "msg", and each has its own encoding. Anything above 0x80 is decoded using this simple formula:
CODE

if(data&0x80) res=(data[i+1]&0x3F)|((data21);

Where data is a byte array. This should solve the "OMG! How do I get the values!?" issue, I hope.

 

[Mentz]

Crosser? Gemini?

 

[Crosser]

Color me impressed.

 

[nIxx]

Hi

nope i´m still working on it but Kaioshin from rh.net had a good argument that here in germany it´s not really needed because most of us can english. That seems a reason why the german translation scene here is not so active

.
But from time to time i´m working on it.

PS: Sorry if this is a stupid question

But the code
CODEif(data&0x80) res=(data[i+1]&0x3F)|((data21);
is to decode the msg files !?
I´m only asking out of interest.

 

[Crosser]

I guess I see what Kingcom was trying to tell me the other day about the German scene.

But the code
CODEif(data&0x80) res=(data[i+1]&0x3F)|((data21);
is to decode the msg files !?
I´m only asking out of interest.

Bingo.

 

[Mentz]

Hi

nope i´m still working on it but Kaioshin from rh.net had a good argument that here in germany it´s not really needed because most of us can english. That seems a reason why the german translation scene here is not so active

.
But from time to time i´m working on it.

PS: Sorry if this is a stupid question

But the code
CODEif(data&0x80) res=(data[i+1]&0x3F)|((data21);
is to decode the msg files !?
I´m only asking out of interest.

I don't think need a "special" code to edit msg files...
Only a table and a simple tool...
Pointers are very simple and rebuilding the whole msg file is very very easy... There are only pointers at beginning and dialogs after...
Actually I'm not developing the editor 'couse I'm solving problems of other games...

 

[Crosser]

That wasn't for editing in fact, but for dumping without having to use awkward tables made out of rabid trial&error. The same formula also applies for special codes, not just text symbols. Samples of what you can get with that code:
CODE

???????????

???????



??????????????????
??????????



???????????
??????????

CODE

It is firmly sealed.

Obtained !



Walk when the wind dies down, and hide
behind trees when it picks up strength.



The footing here is icy and slick. Be careful.
Fall, and you'll have to start over.

Muuuuuuch better now.​

 

[Mentz]

That wasn't for editing in fact, but for dumping without having to use awkward tables made out of rabid trial&error. The same formula also applies for special codes, not just text symbols. Samples of what you can get with that code....

Ah... Ok...

Thanks a lot for your contribute/explaining...