Hardware Mig Switch on Switch 2

[mrsha]

This thread has reiterated the legal aspects of using Mig a number of times and its legality, so it does seem to be associated with the Mig.

Perhaps a moderator can move all the comments mentioning legality into a separate thread, as you suggest?

If you think that way we'd be talking about it in all threads relating to piracy, there's always someone saying it can be used in a good way and whatever. For me it makes sense to have a definite place where people who want to go deep to have fun with it.

 

[AshWeststar]

If you think that way we'd be talking about it in all threads relating to piracy

I'm more than happy to discuss legal aspects further in another thread. However, if the discussion on Mig legality takes place here, I'll respond to that topic here.

I think that if the legal discussion is considered a problem, it would be beneficial if all previous comments on this thread discussing the legality of Mig were moved by a moderator to a new thread.

 

[weatMod]

AHHH, I remember when my 3DS got banned. Sun/Moon cia files got leaked online, installed it. Went online and saw tons of people online playing the game in the Plaza. Got banned a few days after release lmao.

in any event these bans will only serve to create more motivations to circumvent the system

 

[weatMod]

It's very obviously not an e-license.

"An internet connection is only required when you launch the game for the first time. After this, the game can be started even without an internet connection. However, like regular physical software, the game-key card must be inserted into the system in order to play the game."

https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/68415/~/nintendo-switch 2-game-key-card-overview

I downloaded the switch 2 version of Hogwarts legacy and my console is in light mode and the game constantly nags me to turn off flight mode
so you may be able to start games but it might also get annoying with constant nags to give internet access.

 

[hollowtip]

It's very obviously not an e-license.

"An internet connection is only required when you launch the game for the first time. After this, the game can be started even without an internet connection. However, like regular physical software, the game-key card must be inserted into the system in order to play the game."

https://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/68415/~/nintendo-switch 2-game-key-card-overview

I didn't think it would blatantly spell it out on Nintendo's official site but thank you! I was very curious about this. I wasn't aware of the e-license either so that's good to know as well regardless if it doesn't apply to the game key cartridges.

 

[dovahkiing]

What I keep wondering is this: if Nintendo has a way to detect the MiG, why only use that mechanism to detect and ban consoles, rather than simply make it so that the MiG just does not work?

What is the techical explanation for Nintendo being able to detect it sufficiently to flag and ban certain users, but not prevent it from loading games in the first place? (which at least to me seems objectively preferable as a means to shut down flash cart use). Right? If they can detect it, then why wouldn't they prevent it from working?

This is why I'm still leaning towards the explanation that whatever they were doing no longer works on Firmware 1.2 (and Switch firmware 20.1.1), and that it likely was those error messages on the pre 1.2 MiG firmware that got logged and the bans issues. Nintendo initial strategy maybe indeed was to the make it so MiG simply does not work. But once MiG released firmware1.2, they had to react.

And obviously it goes without saying - everyone should assume Nintendo can detect and ban any use of MiG Flash card at this point. Besides the fact that this could all be completely wrong, 20.1.5 just dropped and could introduce new abilities I assume

 

[xtrem3x]

What I keep wondering is this: if Nintendo has a way to detect the MiG, why only use that mechanism to detect and ban consoles, rather than simply make it so that the MiG just does not work?

Maybe because they could only detect it on the previous firmware.
There are still no reports of people being banned after ONLY using the mig since they released the Switch 2 compatibility update

Time will tell

 

[Inaki]

What I keep wondering is this: if Nintendo has a way to detect the MiG, why only use that mechanism to detect and ban consoles, rather than simply make it so that the MiG just does not work?

What is the techical explanation for Nintendo being able to detect it sufficiently to flag and ban certain users, but not prevent it from loading games in the first place? (which at least to me seems objectively preferable as a means to shut down flash cart use). Right? If they can detect it, then why wouldn't they prevent it from working?

This is why I'm still leaning towards the explanation that whatever they were doing no longer works on Firmware 1.2 (and Switch firmware 20.1.1), and that it likely was those error messages on the pre 1.2 MiG firmware that got logged and the bans issues. Nintendo initial strategy maybe indeed was to the make it so MiG simply does not work. But once MiG released firmware1.2, they had to react.

And obviously it goes without saying - everyone should assume Nintendo can detect and ban any use of MiG Flash card at this point. Besides the fact that this could all be completely wrong, 20.1.5 just dropped and could introduce new abilities I assume

It may be, but remember @TotalJustice's findings, MiG Flash firmware has issues and doesn't fully comply with correct reading of the cart beyond certain point ( beyond the trimmed size, let's say ) and there may be other issues too. So yes, MiG Flash fw 1.19 was failing and 1.20 is kinda working, and it may be nintendo only detects and stops MiG Flash in fw 1.19 BY NOW, but that doesn't mean they may detect MiG Flash in fw 1.20 EVEN IN HorizonOS 2.0.1.1, the gathered and sent telemetry may still be enough for them to flag you and ban you. Until MiG team fixes their fw and knowledgeable people tests the correct behavior of the new MiG Flash fw, nintendo can and will ban consoles. This is obvious and repeatedly told, but yeah, take care.

 

[dolpf]

Nintendo can detect and ban any use of MiG Flash card at this point. Besides the fact that this could all be completely wrong, 20.1.5 just dropped and could introduce new abilities I assume

There is an opinion that Nintendo, realizing that it cannot defeat Mig on Switch 2, went the other way - to try to scare people so that they do not even think about using Mig. So far they have succeeded with the help of the first wave of bans.

 

[dovahkiing]

There is an opinion that Nintendo, realizing that it cannot defeat Mig on Switch 2, went the other way - to try to scare people so that they do not even think about using Mig. So far they have succeeded with the help of the first wave of bans.

Yeah my white flag is waving

 

[switchy99]

I think the whole trimmed vs. untrimmed discussion is misleading and unimportant.

IF it is a "correctly reading the cart" thing than Nintendo would be able to ban MigFlash Users on the Switch 1 after a simple firmware update, which they don't.

Like previously mentioned it is probably a "small voltage difference" thing that makes the MigFlash detectable.

We know the Switch 2 has anti-glitching measures to prevent modchip development. Maybe the Switch 1 does not have the means to detect voltage difference with the carts and that's why the MigFlash works there flawlessly.

 

[Locutus73]

IF it is a "correctly reading the cart" thing than Nintendo would be able to ban MigFlash Users on the Switch 1 after a simple firmware update, which they don't.

The fact that they didn't that in the past doesn't assure you they aren't doing that right now or they won't in the future... as they say in trading: "past performance is not indicative of future results".
If there's a documented way to spot MIG, we have to assume using MIG isn't safe regardless of what N seems to do.

Another way to see or rephrase that: if I'm able to spot a MIG, I have to assume N is smarter (or not stupider) than me...

 

[switchy99]

I think the whole trimmed vs. untrimmed discussion is misleading and unimportant.

IF it is a "correctly reading the cart" thing than Nintendo would be able to ban MigFlash Users on the Switch 1 after a simple firmware update, which they don't.

Like previously mentioned it is probably a "small voltage difference" thing that makes the MigFlash detectable.

We know the Switch 2 has anti-glitching measures to prevent modchip development. Maybe the Switch 1 does not have the means to detect voltage difference with the carts and that's why the MigFlash works there flawlessly.

The fact that they didn't that in the past doesn't assure you they aren't doing that right now or they won't in the future... as they say in trading: "past performance is not indicative of future results".
If there's a documented way to spot MIG, we have to assume using MIG isn't safe regardless of what N seems to do.

Another way to see or rephrase that: if I'm able to spot a MIG, I have to assume N is smarter (or not stupider) than me...

Sure, but posts like this make me think there are a lot of payed posters here to promote fear, uncertainty and doubt.

Of course it is risky to use a flashcard and always will be, but repeating this is not helpful und just a distraction.

Saying "the thing that works now might not work one day. Let's just give up" is a weak argument.

 

[Locutus73]

Sure, but posts like this make me think there are a lot of payed posters here to promote fear, uncertainty and doubt.

What do you mean (or are you implying) with payed posters?

Of course it is risky to use a flashcard and always will be, but repeating this is not helpful und just a distraction.

Saying "the thing that works now might not work one day. Let's just give up" is a weak argument.

There’s a big and well defined, self evident diffference between

1. There is no known detection methodology if you act properly (switch 1 with untrimmed dumps on 1.1.9), but keep in mind that there are always potential risks
2. There is a known well documented detection methodology regardless of your precautions (1.2.0)

We are in scenario 2, and this is a fact, not FUD.
In cybersecurity it’s like having a system with an unpatched CVE: it’s insecure whether there are known threats exploiting that or not.

And BTW no one said to give up, the common sense recommendation was to temporarily stop using the MIG until further investigation (and possibly a new firmware making the OOB reads resilient).

To put things in perspective I’m waiting my second cart to be delivered in the next days…

 

[Deleted member 413168]

I think the whole trimmed vs. untrimmed discussion is misleading and unimportant.

IF it is a "correctly reading the cart" thing than Nintendo would be able to ban MigFlash Users on the Switch 1 after a simple firmware update, which they don't.

Like previously mentioned it is probably a "small voltage difference" thing that makes the MigFlash detectable.

We know the Switch 2 has anti-glitching measures to prevent modchip development. Maybe the Switch 1 does not have the means to detect voltage difference with the carts and that's why the MigFlash works there flawlessly.


Sure, but posts like this make me think there are a lot of payed posters here to promote fear, uncertainty and doubt.

Of course it is risky to use a flashcard and always will be, but repeating this is not helpful und just a distraction.

Saying "the thing that works now might not work one day. Let's just give up" is a weak argument.

I don't think discussing the changes made between the two mig updates are irrelevant, and the discussion of mig detection is also not misleading. There's nothing misleading about explaining/showing proof of a guaranteed way to detect the mig switch, which was only worsened in the latest mig update.

 

[PatrickD85]

Well I tried to keep up with all in here but here's my current standing;

- I ordered a Mig Switch and Dumper, coming somewhere next week.
- Will use it primarily to dump my physical games to a HDD, as a form of preservation/backup.

Was planning on being the lazy dude not wanting to have to use physical carts. But as this seems an issue with Switch2.

- People note Switch 1 is ok with the Mig mostly. I have multiple, older ones (no sadly no rcm viable ones) so I might give one of them a test first untill more becomes clear about mig with switch2. as I dont wat to get a new switch 2 already.

The whole dauth situation etc sounds like I learned the hard way way back in the orginal switch lifecycle ... while testing some stuff with IIRC blawar.
As far as I can recall all of the bans where devices bans back then, not ideal but we had homebrew up and all. (Passed two of those Switches of as a present to a niece and nephew). But we don't have homebrew or an entry point for switch2. So what you lose is quite a bit bigger,

Besides that I do have couple of these boys; https://www.unitek-products.com/products/4-in-1-game-card-reader-with-remote
(Actually have the older version with 8-in-1 game reader) Which can change the active slot with a remote press.
Still wonder if these could not be abused in any way or shape ... as the card reader cable just seems to read data available at the active slot. What if we could present it with a valid dump from somewhere. But I am not someone who knows what at all would be possible, just throwing that out there.

Will keep on looking into this thread for updates regarding Switch2, thanks all for sharing info

 

[ChibiMofo]

Does anyone know trustfull resellers for the MIG?

That is like asking if anyone knows any trustful resellers of crack cocaine. Organized criminals are, by nature, untrustworthy.

 

[dolpf]

my Switch 2 has been console banned

Have you tried to check if your banned Switch 2 can update to 20.1.5?
You are the first one who tested Mig on Switch 2 in this thread and maybe you will be the first one who tests Mig on 20.1.5.
Respect to you as a pioneer! Only thanks to people like you the switch scene progresses.

 

[23333]

has your chinese friends tested to use mig on 20.1.5

yes,no banned,mig can still successfully run with 1.2.0 ,seems all right,maybe Nintendo can't recognize mig after 1.2.0 anymore .

 

[lunarfreyax]

yes,no banned,mig can still successfully run with 1.2.0 ,seems all right,maybe Nintendo can't recognize mig after 1.2.0 anymore .

first it recognize the mig and block it, then mig update firmware and it playable ! what make you think nintendo won't update switch 2 firmware again and block it again. the big risk is always there unless you don't care about console ban or never update switch 2 firmware again !