Hardware Mig Switch on Switch 2

[linuxares]

im trying to find info about super xci support with mig. anyone knows if its possible to launch super xci images of the game ?
for people who dont know: super xci is a game image with build in updates or dlcs or both

No it's not

 

[IceBlazeWinters]

i had a news article pop up on my phone earlier today, that said the most recent firmware update to the switch 2 allowed the use of the mig switch cartridge

BUT, using it in the switch 2 will result in an automatic ban

 

[Locutus73]

im trying to find info about super xci support with mig. anyone knows if its possible to launch super xci images of the game ?
for people who dont know: super xci is a game image with build in updates or dlcs or both

Personally I wouldn’t consider anything not returning CRC matching dumps as OG carts safe.

 

[Shadow_The_Hedgehog82]

i had a news article pop up on my phone earlier today, that said the most recent firmware update to the switch 2 allowed the use of the mig switch cartridge

BUT, using it in the switch 2 will result in an automatic ban

lol link the article

 

[Waltjones45]

Alright so I've been following this for a bit, I currently have a switch 2 that I used the mig switch on day 1, I only have one game that I dumped myself and put it on the mig. I tried to open it and go the same error, I never got around to getting the update and using it correctly before the bans started coming. I'm curious if the part that's banning people with legit dumps is using the v2 quick swapper and the switch detecting games changing but no ejection. Has anyone gotten banned on a v1 mig with legit dumps of their own? Forgot to mention I'm not currently banned.

 

[dolpf]

A real cart or an untrimmed XCI return 0xFF when reading after the ValidDataEndAddress, a trimmed dump returns an error. That could be fixed on the firmware.

You can try it yourself in sphaira. Try and dump a trimmed xci from mig and it will display a warning that the xci is already trimmed.

I understand you. But if trimmed dumps were potentially dangerous and would lead to a ban, then Mig-Dumper developers would have received a lot of feedback about bans a long time ago and would have changed the process of creating dumps with Mig-Dumper and now Mig-Dumper would make untrimmed dumps, like homebrew MigDumpTools does on a hacked Switch. But Mig-Dumper still makes trimmed dumps - which means they are safe in terms of Nintendo detection.
Mig-Dumper is used mostly by people who don't have a hacked switch. Why would Mig-Dumper developers make people risk getting banned if they could have initially made the process of creating an untrimmed dump or changed it later in the firmware?

 

[Shadow_The_Hedgehog82]

I understand you. But if trimmed dumps were potentially dangerous and would lead to a ban, then the creators of Mig-Dumper would have received a lot of feedback about bans a long time ago and would have changed the process of creating dumps with Mig-Dumper and now Mig-Dumper would make untrimmed dumps, like homebrew MigDumpTools does on a hacked Switch. But Mig-Dumper still makes trimmed dumps - which means they are safe in terms of Nintendo detection.

it means they were safe in terms of detection right now we dont know whats causing bans this is one possibility

 

[Deleted member 413168]

I understand you. But if trimmed dumps were potentially dangerous and would lead to a ban, then the creators of Mig-Dumper would have received a lot of feedback about bans a long time ago and would have changed the process of creating dumps with Mig-Dumper and now Mig-Dumper would make untrimmed dumps, like homebrew MigDumpTools does on a hacked Switch. But Mig-Dumper still makes trimmed dumps - which means they are safe in terms of Nintendo detection.

Whether it's safe now or not is irrelevant. All it takes is for Nintendo to push an update that can detect trimmed dumps and you will be banned.

Sure, mig team can work around trim dump detection by handling oob reads once Nintendo pushes a new update, but by that point it's already too late for a lot of users. We had this same scenario just now with the S2.

 

[mammoth_dream]

So here is some news. My switch that I had originally tried the Mig on a few days ago in this forum is banned. The interesting part is that I returned it to factory state the next day and gave it to my sister. She told me it was banned yesterday. No big deal, I'm getting her a replacement. My current Switch is using the Mig Switch with no bans, and it's only used one on firmware 1.2.0. I'll report back if it gets banned.

mine is also not banned as of this morning. i also didn't insert my mig until it was set up with 1.2.0 update

 

[dolpf]

Sure, mig team can work around trim dump detection by handling oob reads once Nintendo pushes a new update, but by that point it's already too late for a lot of users. We had this same scenario just now with the S2.

I doubt that the Mig team didn't calculate this in advance and wasn't ready for it. But let's see what happens next. Now it's Nintendo's turn. And it looks like we're in for a ping-pong, as in the case of the HOS and atmosphere update.

 

[nhaneezy]

my Switch2 is not banned yet, but I'm bracing for the ban since I've read the whole thread thus far and it seems like I may be impacted. my Switch2 is updated to the latest version. i did not insert the mig whatsoever before updating the Switch2. I attempted to update the mig to the latest firmware, and did not do it correctly and so my backup loaded on the screen but the game did not load after trying to load (this was done on the Switch2). Then, I updated the mig correctly and all my backups ran fine (on the same Switch2).

all my backups were made as untrimmed dumps with unpatched Switch1 using the .nro provided by migflash.

 

[Shadow_The_Hedgehog82]

mine is also not banned as of this morning. i also didn't insert my mig until it was set up with 1.2.0 update

please keep us updated

 

[Prof0nWear]

Still currently unbanned.

Tested Super Mario Wonder dump with a group I found loads of initial data / certificates in a rar file with.

Downloaded the sw2 update for wonder and still unbanned.

Strange.

But didn't use mig before the 1.2.0 update will keep posted.

Also don't pirate: I legally own a sealed copy of mario wonder.

 

[Inaki]

Nintendo benefits from removing a "compromised" device from their ecosystem, and as a user, you are not prevented from getting new games, updates, etc. Specifically, only the banned console, which does not care which user is using it. As identified earlier, this doesn't appear to conflict with any EU directives, and EU studies (that I was able to source, also previously metioned) also provide the interpretation of how these directives (or "consumer goods laws and norms the ones that apply", as you phrased it) are applied.

All of which has been covered in my previous posts.

No, again, you are screwing the customer with no real argument for nintendo; that wouldn't stand a chance on a court in the EU.

 

[RyanTheArchivist]

No, again, you are screwing the customer with no real argument for nintendo; that wouldn't stand a chance on a court in the EU.

It definitely wouldnt though. We agreed to their terms when we booted up the system. If you violate it they are allowed to limit online functionality. There is no law protecting that.

 

[rezendes]

If you purchased say the digital upgrade for Zelda BOTW and you own the physical cart, does your system need to be online for it to check if you purchased the upgrade each time you power on your system? Or each time you try to launch the game? Or can you just put it in airplane mode after you purchase and launch the game as many times as you want after that? I was thinking if this is true then people that got the upgrades free via their existing NSO service could put their system in airplane mode right before their subscription expires and therefore keep the upgraded Zelda versions forever without paying for NSO further.

 

[RyanTheArchivist]

If you purchased say the digital upgrade for Zelda BOTW and you own the physical cart, does your system need to be online for it to check if you purchased the upgrade each time you power on your system? Or each time you try to launch the game? Or can you just put it in airplane mode after you purchase and launch the game as many times as you want after that? I was thinking if this is true then people that got the upgrades free via their existing NSO service could put their system in airplane mode right before their subscription expires and therefore keep the upgraded Zelda versions forever without paying for NSO further.

The NSO upgrades require online checks from time to time. Same case with the NSO apps.

 

[Inaki]

It definitely wouldnt though. We agreed to their terms when we booted up the system. If you violate it they are allowed to limit online functionality. There is no law protecting that.

Again, for the Nth time, no matter how many TOS/EULA you sign, if it breaks consumer goods laws/norms, those TOS/EULA can say anything but are as worthy as a crapped kleenex in any legal contest. And yes, the current banned Switch 2 very, very probably break the consumer goods laws. This in the EU.

 

[xtrem3x]

So quickly breezing the last few pages... Everybody banned so far had attempted to use the Mig Switch before updating it to the latest Switch 2 compatibility update..? And there appear to be a handful of people who are not banned, but who did not try the Mig before the new Switch 2 compatibility update and only used it since updating it to the latest version?

 

[RyanTheArchivist]

Again, for the Nth time, no matter how many TOS/EULA you sign, if it breaks consumer goods laws/norms, those TOS/EULA can say anything but are as worthy as a crapped kleenex in any legal contest. And yes, the current banned Switch 2 very, very probably break the consumer goods laws. This in the EU.

Yes and disabling online functions isnt against those laws. Fully disabling the system is but just limiting online functionality is perfectly fine.