Hardware Mig Switch on Switch 2

[AshWeststar]

There's a lot of interpretation here, I'd say. Again, as I explained in my initial post with this, stopping you from getting new games, keycard based games or updates helps nothing on nintendo's side ( banning online PLAY does ). Besides, there's no piracy necessarily, so...

Nintendo benefits from removing a "compromised" device from their ecosystem, and as a user, you are not prevented from getting new games, updates, etc. Specifically, only the banned console, which does not care which user is using it. As identified earlier, this doesn't appear to conflict with any EU directives, and EU studies (that I was able to source, also previously metioned) also provide the interpretation of how these directives (or "consumer goods laws and norms the ones that apply", as you phrased it) are applied.

All of which has been covered in my previous posts.

 

[Madblaster6]

Every time you say Switch (the one you gave to your sister and your current one) do you mean Switch 2?

Yes, of course.

 

[Shadow_The_Hedgehog82]

I asked the guy on YT and he realized he used his legit copy of Link's Awakening on his Switch 2 while the same game was loaded in his MIG Flash in his docked Switch 1... two istances of the same cart Id at the same time... honestly I'd expect his Switch 1 to be banned too.

i dont think this is bannable though me and my friend have both played online at the same time using the same dump in splatoon and not been banned, id assume they wouldnt ban for it because theres a chance they will ban the legit cart owner

 

[Locutus73]

Agreed. I'm just trying to fit the data.

The main questions for folks who've used the MiG on the Switch 2 seem (to me) to be:

1. Did you launch a backed up game from the MiG Flash on cart firmware prior to 1.2, triggering the error message that the cartridge cannot be read?

2. Did you launch a backed up game after updating MiG to 1.2?

3. If yes to #2, did you interact with online services *while* running the game off the MiG? Or were you in airplane mode.

4. Is your console banned?

For banned user reports so far, as far as I can tell it seems like:
1. Yes
2. Reports mixed
3. Reports mixed
4. Yes

Hence, my thought that it may be the error itself in #1 getting logged and reported to Nintendo that triggers the bans.

*edited for clarity

5. Was your dump a personal full backup including all accessory files (XCI+4 files), never shared with anyone
6. Was your XCI untrimmed (the USB dumper produces detectable trimmed XCIs)
7. Did you ever simultaneously put your OG legit cart in a Switch (1/2) and the MIG with the dump in another Switch (1/2)?

 

[Locutus73]

i dont think this is bannable though me and my friend have both played online at the same time using the same dump in splatoon and not been banned, id assume they wouldnt ban for it because theres a chance they will ban the legit cart owner

How could a legit cart with an unique id be concurrently in two different Switch? Maybe you mean they could ban both consoles including the one with the OG legit cart? Why not? We are talking about Nintendo.

 

[dovahkiing]

@Locutus73 Agree those are all good and relevant. Consolidating answers to all these will be informative.

I’m very interested to know if anyone who was banned can answer “No” to question #1.

 

[dolpf]

USB dumper produces detectable trimmed XCIs

Where did you get this information that trimmed dumps are detected? Can I have proof? Or is this someone's next fiction?

 

[Shadow_The_Hedgehog82]

How could a legit cart with an unique id be concurrently in two different Switch? Maybe you mean they could ban both consoles including the one with the OG legit cart? Why not? We are talking about Nintendo.

You have 1 copy on the legit cart and a copy on the mig? theyd have to do a blanket ban on all switches using the cart with the same cert and its probably illegal for them to go banning the console of the person who owns the actual cartridge

 

[Shadow_The_Hedgehog82]

@Locutus73 Agree those are all good and relevant. Consolidating answers to all these will be informative.

I’m very interested to know if anyone who was banned can answer “No” to question #1.

yeah same i think its probably most likely that they will all say yes

 

[mrsha]

yeah same i think its probably most likely that they will all say yes

The problem is how many people are willing to test it now that the bans started.

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[AshWeststar]

i dont think this is bannable though me and my friend have both played online at the same time using the same dump in splatoon and not been banned, id assume they wouldnt ban for it because theres a chance they will ban the legit cart owner

While the original cartridge remains legally legitimate, any clones or dumps may not. Based on standard US, UK, and EU copyright, consumer protection, and law, it seems unlikely that Nintendo would be breaking any laws or be found problematic for banning devices from their online services for using legitimate cartridges that have been previously cloned.

Whether they do is unknown to me.

 

[Madblaster6]

1. Did you launch a backed up game from the MiG Flash on cart firmware prior to 1.2, triggering the error message that the cartridge cannot be read?

It was a full backup using the Mig Dumper

2. Did you launch a backed up game after updating MiG to 1.2?

No before

3. If yes to #2, did you interact with online services *while* running the game off the MiG? Or were you in airplane mode.

4. Is your console banned?

The console I used on that got an error was banned FW 1.1.9. The current one that only used 1.2 is not. (it still may)

5. Was your dump a personal full backup including all accessory files (XCI+4 files), never shared with anyone

Personal, no sharing

6. Was your XCI untrimmed (the USB dumper produces detectable trimmed XCIs)

Had all the files from the mig dumper.

7. Did you ever simultaneously put your OG legit cart in a Switch (1/2) and the MIG with the dump in another Switch (1/2)?

No

 

[Shadow_The_Hedgehog82]

While the original cartridge remains legally legitimate, any clones or dumps may not. Based on standard US, UK, and EU copyright, consumer protection, and law, it seems unlikely that Nintendo would be breaking any laws or be found problematic for banning devices from their online services for using legitimate cartridges that have been previously cloned.

Whether they do is unknown to me.

yes but they dont know which devices are using the legitimate cart and which are using the mig so they cant just go banning people because they will end up banning the real cart owner which would be illegal. they may be able to detect it now on the switch 2 so going online with mig might not be possible but we will have to wait and see lol

this is probably why mig users havent already jsut been blanket banned months ago

 

[AshWeststar]

yes but they dont know which devices are using the legitimate cart and which are using the mig so they cant just go banning people because they will end up banning the real cart owner which would be illegal. they may be able to detect it now on the switch 2 so going online with mig might not be possible but we will have to wait and see lol

My point was that legally, they could just ban the real cart owner, it is legal because they aren't required to provide a service to a legitimate cartridge when said cartridge breaches their terms of service by being cloned, etc. What would be illegal is if they disabled the cartridge's offline features.

 

[Shadow_The_Hedgehog82]

The problem is how many people are willing to test it now that the bans started.

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ill probably test once more info comes in but im thinking it probably is from crash logs on the old fw

 

[Shadow_The_Hedgehog82]

My point was that legally, they could just ban the real cart owner, it is legal because they aren't required to provide a service to a legitimate cartridge when said cartridge breaches their terms of service by being cloned, etc. What would be illegal is if they disabled the cartridge's offline features.

but the owner of the cart hasnt breached the terms, they may never have known it was even dumped which is exactly why blanket bans have not happened yet they could have done it easily

 

[AshWeststar]

but the owner of the cart hasnt breached the terms, they may never have known it was even dumped which is exactly why blanket bans have not happened yet they could have done it easily

This is true and legally would suck for the owner, but Nintendo would still be in the right to terminate service regardless, even if the owner were not the one who cloned it.

Edit: I removed the use of "they" because it was confusing which party I was talking about.

 

[Locutus73]

How could a legit cart with an unique id be concurrently in two different Switch?

Where did you get this information that trimmed dumps are detected? Can I have proof? Or is this someone's next fiction?

There was a technical post here or in the switch 1 MIG thread and I personally tested that with a different experiment.
1) Make an untrimmed dump with nxdumptool-rewrite on a modded or D1 switch, put that dump on the MIG and dump again the MIG with nxdumptool-rewrite… compare the two sets of files and you get the same CRC.
2) Make a trimmed dump with nxdumptool-rewrite on a modded or D1 switch or using the USB dumper, put that dump on the MIG and try to produce an untrimmed dump of the MIG with nxdumptooL-rewrite… BOOM… you get an error when it tries to read the trimmed final padding and the whole dump process aborts.

A real cart or an untrimmed XCI return 0xFF when reading after the ValidDataEndAddress, a trimmed dump returns an error. That could be fixed on the firmware.

I’m not implying Nintendo performs this check, but potentially they could.

[EDIT] I tested that with the 1.1.9 firmware, but they didn’t mention a fix in the latest 1.2.0 release notes.

 

[Deleted member 413168]

Where did you get this information that trimmed dumps are detected? Can I have proof? Or is this someone's next fiction?

You can try it yourself in sphaira. Try and dump a trimmed xci from mig and it will display a warning that the xci is already trimmed.

 

[xFlesk]

im trying to find info about super xci support with mig. anyone knows if its possible to launch super xci images of the game ?
for people who dont know: super xci is a game image with build in updates or dlcs or both