Hardware Mig Switch on Switch 2

[Szoguner93]

Not sure if its you @xps2 or someone else saying this:


Super Mario 3D All-Stars - cannot be updated, cannot be launched (on 20.1.1)
when i tab on the start software it ask update the game version CAN NOT START THE GAME WTF i need to do a update match version with local users
with another switch 2 is working fine but when try switch 1 CAN NOT UPDATE WITCH SWITCH 1 can not update it give an error fail update
Error Code 2211-0520"

It may be possible, that entering the recover mode (after removing all network settings, or at least the auto connect option) may fix the game "knowing" there is an update in the wild for it.

My Switch 2 wanted to perform the 20.1.5 update i started each game. After going into recover mode and back to stock it stopped asking. I removed all network settings just to be sure, and my system luckily is still on 20.1.1.

 

[dovahkiing]

I also used the dumper. I have never downloaded a Switch game.

Wait - was everyone who was banned using the official dumper? Anyone who got banned had backups that were from made via the MiG dump homebrew app?

 

[Madblaster6]

1. Did you launch a backed up game from the MiG Flash on cart firmware prior to 1.2, triggering the error message that the cartridge cannot be read?

It was a full backup using the Mig Dumper

2. Did you launch a backed up game after updating MiG to 1.2?

No before

3. If yes to #2, did you interact with online services *while* running the game off the MiG? Or were you in airplane mode.

4. Is your console banned?

The console I used on that got an error was banned FW 1.1.9. The current one that only used 1.2 is not. (it still may)

5. Was your dump a personal full backup including all accessory files (XCI+4 files), never shared with anyone

Personal, no sharing

6. Was your XCI untrimmed (the USB dumper produces detectable trimmed XCIs)

Had all the files from the mig dumper.

7. Did you ever simultaneously put your OG legit cart in a Switch (1/2) and the MIG with the dump in another Switch (1/2)?

No

An update. While my original switch that I put the Mig Flash in got banned, my second one has not. On the second, I only used it after the Mig Flash Firmware update, and no errors popped up. If the second one gets banned, I will report, but it's been over a week. I have not used the Mig Flash since updating my Switch 2 to the latest firmware.

 

[CosasLocas]

Hey folks, got a noob question that is probably already answered, but I was reading the whole thread and it's not here, or I've missed it.

Do the console remember you've used a MIG Switch/Flash?

My underlying question is: If I get my console out of internet (remove wifi, net profiles, airplane more, etc) plugin the MIG, use it, remove the MIG, reboot and connect to the internet, will it remember I've used the MIG and Nintendo could ban me?

Thanks in advance, guys.

 

[Fyrus]

Hey folks, got a noob question that is probably already answered, but I was reading the whole thread and it's not here, or I've missed it.

Do the console remember you've used a MIG Switch/Flash?

My underlying question is: If I get my console out of internet (remove wifi, net profiles, airplane more, etc) plugin the MIG, use it, remove the MIG, reboot and connect to the internet, will it remember I've used the MIG and Nintendo could ban me?

Thanks in advance, guys.

Most likely yes

 

[FM360]

Did you try the mig and got the error before 1.20 came out?

What if you got the error after 1.20 came out? I had the error until I reinserted the card a few times

 

[Hyper1on]

Hey folks, got a noob question that is probably already answered, but I was reading the whole thread and it's not here, or I've missed it.

Do the console remember you've used a MIG Switch/Flash?

My underlying question is: If I get my console out of internet (remove wifi, net profiles, airplane more, etc) plugin the MIG, use it, remove the MIG, reboot and connect to the internet, will it remember I've used the MIG and Nintendo could ban me?

Thanks in advance, guys.

Yes if you used the MIG once, even offline, then, if you fall in the category that caused the ban on others, you will also get banned next time you get online. But its still unclear what really causes the ban. So far, of what I have gathered, only those who tried the MIG without the 1.2 firmware first got banned. Someone correct me if we have reports of all MIG versions causing bans.

 

[Prof0nWear]

What I keep wondering is this: if Nintendo has a way to detect the MiG, why only use that mechanism to detect and ban consoles, rather than simply make it so that the MiG just does not work?

What is the techical explanation for Nintendo being able to detect it sufficiently to flag and ban certain users, but not prevent it from loading games in the first place? (which at least to me seems objectively preferable as a means to shut down flash cart use). Right? If they can detect it, then why wouldn't they prevent it from working?

This is why I'm still leaning towards the explanation that whatever they were doing no longer works on Firmware 1.2 (and Switch firmware 20.1.1), and that it likely was those error messages on the pre 1.2 MiG firmware that got logged and the bans issues. Nintendo initial strategy maybe indeed was to the make it so MiG simply does not work. But once MiG released firmware1.2, they had to react.

And obviously it goes without saying - everyone should assume Nintendo can detect and ban any use of MiG Flash card at this point. Besides the fact that this could all be completely wrong, 20.1.5 just dropped and could introduce new abilities I assume

Mig 1.2.0
HOS 20.1.5
Switch 2

No ban yet... using legally dumped backups, did test a different online certificate for Super Mario Wonder on previous firmware and also not banned...

 

[dovahkiing]

What if you got the error after 1.20 came out? I had the error until I reinserted the card a few times

If I gouge out one of the contacts on a regular game card, it won't read and will give an error. Presumably that won't result in a ban.

So, if you got the MiG on 1.2 to read after re-inserting it a couple times, then I would guess most likely that error not the same as the error triggered on the 1.1.9 firmware. Could have different implications for telemetry and ban.

 

[Madblaster6]

If I gouge out one of the contacts on a regular game card, it won't read and will give an error. Presumably that won't result in a ban.

So, if you got the MiG on 1.2 to read after re-inserting it a couple times, then I would guess most likely that error not the same as the error triggered on the 1.1.9 firmware. Could have different implications for telemetry and ban.

I would agree. A broken cart could throw an error. I think they were able to detect 1.1.9 because of the signature. Once it was update to 1.2 the signature was changed and Nintendo can no longer tell, regardless of the error.

 

[l7777]

I applaud the effort but we still don't know exactly what triggers a Switch 1 ban with CFW. We know some things will do it for sure, but plenty of others we don't know about. There will likely never be a known list of ways to get banned with the Mig or CFW. If you want to use these things, assume you will be banned and move on. If you don't want to be banned, don't use these things.

 

[Antonio Carlos Parente]

Mig 1.2.0
HOS 20.1.5
Switch 2

No ban yet... using legally dumped backups, did test a different online certificate for Super Mario Wonder on previous firmware and also not banned...

I have the same here.... i also tested migswitch before 1.2.0 and after... all working well with NO BAN!

 

[Madblaster6]

I have the same here.... i also tested migswitch before 1.2.0 and after... all working well with NO BAN!

Can you give more details? Especially, how long ago?

 

[Inaki]

Can you give more details? Especially, how long ago?

There's a lot of us who used MiG Flash on fw 1.19, had the error but are not banned. I have to insist in that not being a decisive factor. As I already explained, having used the original cart before or maybe just also using the original cart besides the original cart backup on MiG Flash, THAT seems to me like a factor for not being banned...

 

[dolpf]

There's a lot of us who used MiG Flash on fw 1.19, had the error but are not banned.

I can assume that everyone who got banned on Switch 2 used at least once a trimmed dump (made via Mig-Dumper) on a Mig with firmware 1.1.9. And if the Mig team fixed the possibility of detecting trimmed dumps in firmware 1.2.0, then everyone who is currently using Mig with firmware 1.2.0 will not get banned, even if they use trimmed dumps.
This theory can be destroyed if a message appears that someone got banned on Switch 2, using only untrimmed dumps (made via homebrew MigDumpTool or nxdumptool on a hacked Switch 1) and never used trimmed dumps.

So, to make it clearer:
The following received a ban:
[Option 1] Who used Mig with firmware 1.1.9 + only trimmed dump (it doesn't matter if it was their own dump or from a torrent).
The following did not receive a ban:
[Option 2] Who used Mig with firmware 1.1.9 + untrimmed dump or original cartridge.
[Option 3] Who uses Mig with firmware 1.2.0 + any type of dump (trimmed or untrimmed).

Dear testers!
Please let us know which option you used.

The theory was not confirmed.

 

[Inaki]

I can assume that everyone who got banned on Switch 2 used at least once a trimmed dump (made via Mig-Dumper) on a Mig with firmware 1.1.9. And if the Mig team fixed the possibility of detecting trimmed dumps in firmware 1.2.0, then everyone who is currently using Mig with firmware 1.2.0 will not get banned, even if they use trimmed dumps.
This theory can be destroyed if a message appears that someone got banned on Switch 2, using only untrimmed dumps (made via homebrew MigDumpTool or nxdumptool on a hacked Switch 1) and never used trimmed dumps.

So, to make it clearer:
The following received a ban:
[Option 1] Who used Mig with firmware 1.1.9 + only trimmed dump (it doesn't matter if it was their own dump or from a torrent).
The following did not receive a ban:
[Option 2] Who used Mig with firmware 1.1.9 + untrimmed dump or original cartridge.
[Option 3] Who uses Mig with firmware 1.2.0 + any type of dump (trimmed or untrimmed).

Dear testers!
Please let us know which option you used.

I used MiG Dumper to dump my original Zelda TotK cart. Used it in fw 1.19 and had the error and later I used it in fw 1.20 and had a successful load. The key part is I inserted the original Zelda TotK cart first, I updated it and launched it, all using the original cart and before using MiG Flash in 1.19 ( with error ) or 1.20 ( with success ).

 

[Prof0nWear]

I can assume that everyone who got banned on Switch 2 used at least once a trimmed dump (made via Mig-Dumper) on a Mig with firmware 1.1.9. And if the Mig team fixed the possibility of detecting trimmed dumps in firmware 1.2.0, then everyone who is currently using Mig with firmware 1.2.0 will not get banned, even if they use trimmed dumps.
This theory can be destroyed if a message appears that someone got banned on Switch 2, using only untrimmed dumps (made via homebrew MigDumpTool or nxdumptool on a hacked Switch 1) and never used trimmed dumps.

So, to make it clearer:
The following received a ban:
[Option 1] Who used Mig with firmware 1.1.9 + only trimmed dump (it doesn't matter if it was their own dump or from a torrent).
The following did not receive a ban:
[Option 2] Who used Mig with firmware 1.1.9 + untrimmed dump or original cartridge.
[Option 3] Who uses Mig with firmware 1.2.0 + any type of dump (trimmed or untrimmed).

Dear testers!
Please let us know which option you used.

Option 3

 

[dolpf]

I used MiG Dumper to dump my original Zelda TotK cart. Used it in fw 1.19 and had the error and later I used it in fw 1.20 and had a successful load. The key part is I inserted the original Zelda TotK cart first, I updated it and launched it, all using the original cart and before using MiG Flash in 1.19 ( with error ) or 1.20 ( with success ).

Thanks for the feedback! So my theory is wrong.

 

[Marc_LFD]

I created a video sharing my experience with trying to use my newly-banned switch 2.

Based on my experience, the ban hits harder than it did for the Switch 1. Using Breath of the Wild as an example, I am completely unable to play this game on my Switch 2 after the ban because it requires an update which I cannot download.

Any other ban-hammer-receivers here who can double check my findings?

Wtf is with all those Switch boxes.

 

[Sitansirou]

RatchetRussian yo sorry i feel your pain​

yea is kinda wire

i have tested with switch 1 with switch 1 is working fine update
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switch 2 2.0.1.1 not ban
switch 1 oled 20.1.5 not ban

i have tested with switch 2 with switch 2 is working fine update same that above
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switch 2 2.0.1.1 not ban
switch 1 oled 20.1.5 not ban
i have tested with switch 1 with switch 2 in some game it give an error fail update
Error Code 2211-0520
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can not update it give an error fail update
Error Code 2211-0520
same that above i have tested with switch 2 with switch 1 can not update it give an error fail update
Error Code 2211-0520
switch 2 2.0.1.5 not ban
switch 1 oled 20.1.5 not ban
same that above i have tested with switch 2 with switch 1 can not update it give an error fail update Error Code 2211-0520 "
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i have tested with switch 1 with switch 2 in some game is working fine

Hello xps! Are the Zelda Switch 2 Enhanced Editions compatible?

Does it turn a SW2 version with only install the masters update or you have to buy the package on the eshop?

Thank you mate!!