Marcan Clarifies

[Gahars]

And what Rydian said was the most mature adult comment I've read all day. Telling someone not to have kids and implying they're incapable of crossing the road without getting killed isn't childish at all. Boy, even I wouldn't go that far.

Gee, what is hyperbole?

Also, this is Jalaname ("Sony is worse than the mafia!") we're talking about. It's hardly unwarranted at this point.

 

[the_randomizer]

There are 30 developers involved in this project, they all have the same code and nobody feels like releasing it. There can be only two reasons - nobody wants to be "that guy" and step forward or nobody's even remotely interested in developing for the WiiU or creating a development infrastructure.

As for Android being a more interesting platform... for homebrew? Of course it is! Everybody and their dog has an Android Smartphone, the SDK is open-source and widely available, selling applications is easy-peasy - in comparison to the WiiU which right now has no Homebrew infrastructure of the "Homebrew Channel" variety, no SDK and slightly underwhelming hardware for console standards it is the preferable option for developers.

Then they shouldn't have released the IRC log at all. That is called cock-teasing last I heard. If the Wii U isn't interesting, they shouldn't have mentioned the exploit in the first place. That's just being a dickweed.


Dev 1: So, how about that exploit huh?
Dev 2: You mean the one that can install HBC on the Wii U?
Dev 1: Yeah, that's the one.
Dev 2: The Wii U isn't interesting at all and people on the Temp
are all pirates, so let's not release it. Plus it's a boring console to code for, let's focus on Android
Dev 1: Sounds good to me.

Gee, what is hyperbole?

Also, this is Jalaname ("Sony is worse than the mafia!") we're talking about. It's hardly unwarranted at this point.

Wouldn't know, I'm out of the loop.

 

[Foxi4]

Then they shouldn't have released the IRC log at all. That is called cock-teasing last I heard. If the Wii U isn't interesting, they shouldn't have mentioned the exploit in the first place. That right there is being a trolling sod.

What do you mean by "release the IRC log"? As far as I know, it's freely available - heck, you can join in on many dev channels yourself if you feel like it.

 

[The Catboy]

There are 30 developers involved in this project, they all have the same code and nobody feels like releasing it. There can be only two reasons - nobody wants to be "that guy" and step forward or nobody's even remotely interested in developing for the WiiU or creating a development infrastructure.

As for Android being a more interesting platform... for homebrew? Of course it is! Everybody and their dog has an Android Smartphone, the SDK is open-source and widely available, selling applications is easy-peasy - in comparison to the WiiU which right now has no Homebrew infrastructure of the "Homebrew Channel" variety, no SDK and slightly underwhelming hardware for console standards it is the preferable option for developers.

I was unaware how many people were part of the team, still won't releasing that code make it more interesting? If these 30 people aren't interested, there are plenty of other groups who would be, again these guys shouldn't speak for a whole community.

And not much to disagree with the second statement, Open-source platforms are perfect for homebrews, that's why I own an Android phone and a Dingoo.
But it's still not going to kill the console market, it might kill the homebrew market on the consoles, but not the gaming part of that market.

 

[the_randomizer]

What do you mean by "release the IRC log"? As far as I know, it's freely available - heck, you can join in on many dev channels yourself if you feel like it.

You're missing the point, if Marcan and his team of 31 coders deemed the Wii U uninteresting, why did he bother making the exploit at all? Why did he bother posting the IRC log? Why bother making an announcment about a working exploit if you're not going to release it? That's what I mean by cock teasing.

Developing a working exploit that can open the door for homebrew and then not releasing it is like giving your friend a Bugatti Veyron but mentioning that he can't have the keys because it would get ruined if he drove it. Withholding something after telling people it won't be released isn't being a dick at all.

 

[[Truth]]

I was unaware how many people were part of the team, still won't releasing that code make it more interesting? If these 30 people aren't interested, there are plenty of other groups who would be, again these guys shouldn't speak for a whole community.

You should read the log again:

< marcan> I think there's a collective "meh" sentiment about the WiiU. it was fun breaking it but nobody really feels like building an ecosystem out of it
< marcan> and we saw what happens when you just throw your stuff at people and tell them to run with it (see PS3), so that's not going to happen

 

[the_randomizer]

You should read the log again:

I stand by what I said. He shouldn't have linked the IRC log. And since nothing is going to change the mind of a tenacious, hellbent coder, we might as well not have a Wii U homebrew/hacking section.

 

[Taleweaver]

Interesting he had an IRC conversation at all, and that he wanted to post the link. Kind of a lost cause it seems if he wanted to post the link that badly, but hey, if people want to prove me wrong, by all means.

No...I think it's the other way around: if we (the people) want to prove Marcan wrong, then we should do so. We're being called lazy, incompetent and our whole community being called a bunch of pirates. If this was a true hacker community, teams would probably already be forming to get libogc running on multicore. If for nothing else, to prove his smart ass wrong.

...but I think we both know that that's not going to happen. Because he's the worst kind of arrogant guy: the sort that is actually RIGHT in his observations.

 

[KingVamp]

This is perfect thread for this video.

 

[The Catboy]

You should read the log again:

That doesn't make him the speaker for the community nor does it make it a fact. That's his opinion, not a fact.
We really can't put these guys up on a pedestal and declare their word is law.

 

[the_randomizer]

No...I think it's the other way around: if we (the people) want to prove Marcan wrong, then we should do so. We're being called lazy, incompetent and our whole community being called a bunch of pirates. If this was a true hacker community, teams would probably already be forming to get libogc running on multicore. If for nothing else, to prove his smart ass wrong.

...but I think we both know that that's not going to happen. Because he's the worst kind of arrogant guy: the sort that is actually RIGHT in his observations.

Convince and prove to Marcan that we aren't that way? Us?

Yeah, ain't gonna happen. He still shouldn't have mentioned it.

That doesn't make him the speaker for the community nor does it make it a fact. That's his opinion, not a fact.
We really can't put these guys up on a pedestal and declare their word is law.

But this is the internet. What one developer says is absolute and cannot be refuted, remember? The words of a minority speak for the majority.....right?

 

[Rydian]

I know right?
Sorry, but one dude does not speak for everyone.

... but he's the guy that did the Wii U hacks, and he talked about the other people he gave them to...

This seems rather out of character for you Rydian. You feel ok there?

What are you talking about? He was all "marcan is the reason the PS3 took so long to get hacjed, he holds back devs", so I pointed out that Marcan was one of the PS3 hackers.

This is another situation like with the PS3, when people were going around saying "fuck geohot he's the reason Sony removed OtherOS" and I had to keep pointing out that geohot's first hack was to put OtherOS back on after Sony removed it...

It´s a waste of energy messing with kids like this Rydian.

If I can at least get them to stop posting stupid shit, then it'll save us annoyance in the future!

Then they shouldn't have released the IRC log at all. That is called cock-teasing last I heard.

The log was released to answer the questions and accusations that users like you keep making.

I've given you this kind of talk before, but seeing how quickly you keep on going back to your old ways each time I guess I should try to clarify again.

And hey, look, you're right back to calling them teases and insulting them again, not three full pages after I talked to you about how terrible it is to do that and then mention that I rarely even bother with your posts because you keep going back to doing it.

You're such an asshole that I can count on you to be an asshole in the future to predict your actions!

 

[[Truth]]

That doesn't make him the speaker for the community nor does it make it a fact. That's his opinion, not a fact.
We really can't put these guys up on a pedestal and declare their word is law.

You are worng.
He speaks for the dev community who is capable to hack the system.
There isn´t really more to say.

 

[Foxi4]

You're missing the point, if Marcan and his team of 31 coders deemed the Wii U uninteresting, why did he bother making the exploit at all? Why did he bother posting the IRC log? Why bother making an announcment about a working exploit if you're not going to release it? That's what I mean by cock teasing.

Developing a working exploit that can open the door for homebrew and then not releasing it is like giving your friend a Bugatti Veyron but mentioning that he can't have the keys because it would get ruined if he drove it. Withholding something after telling people it won't be released isn't being a dick at all.

They made the exploit for sport. Again, some hackers hack devices just for the sake of hacking them - breaking the system is essentially the whole point behind doing so.

 

[the_randomizer]

*I'm a sod*

 

[WiiUBricker]

If they weren't interested in the Wii U then why did they bother releasing the HBC for the Wii U's Wii mode?

 

[SnAQ]

So people are butthurt that there's some guys that claim to have a hack that enables homebred on the WiiU but they won't release it because of what it'll lead to and that makes them assholes?

I'm so sick of people that believes that they're entitled to everything without contributing anything at all.
People like that makes me wish that they never ever release it, that they destroy everything they have and get amnesia so they can't reproduce what they apparently produced.

 

[Gahars]

The whining and entitlement in this thread is through the goddamned roof.

I don't even give a shit about console hacking and I'm starting to feel embarrassed. Get your shit together, GBAtemp.

 

[Rydian]

If he isn't "teasing" us, what is he doing?

Answering your goddamned questions and refuting your goddamned accusations.

If they weren't interested in the Wii U then why did they bother releasing the HBC for the Wii U's Wii mode?

Timeframe is important to note. They were interested enough to port one of their existing programs over.

They are not currently interested enough to do all the library and driver work that would be required to do the same thing in U mode.



These are things stated in the first post, people...

 

[the_randomizer]

The whining and entitlement in this thread is through the goddamned roof.

I don't even give a shit about console hacking and I'm starting to feel embarrassed. Get your shit together, GBAtemp.

Who said it was anything about entitlement, I'm just saying it would have been better had it never been announced.