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Learning Japanese - The Nihongo FAQ

UPDATE: Since many of you contribute so many excellent resources, I've decided to stop adding everything to the first post, or it would quickly become a jumbled mess of links. Instead, if any of you are interested in the resources that are shared on this thread, simply "Watch" this thread so you'll receive a notification every time a post is made here. Then you can check out the contributed resources yourself and decide for yourself if you want to use/save/bookmark it. As much as I would love to add your resources, I think this is the most practical way to go. Thanks for understanding!​

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In loving memory of Densetsu.

Introduction (前書き)
I've seen quite a few questions on this forum asking how to go about learning Japanese. For native English speakers, Japanese is widely regarded as the most difficult language to learn (though I think that's up for debate). With a grammatical structure and writing system that developed completely independently of any of the Germanic or Romance languages, it can seem a daunting task figuring out just how to begin tackling the mystical language of the ninja. And yet, with so much cool stuff coming out of Japan, the rewards of mastering this language are myriad. For this reason, I started thinking about putting together a list of resources and providing some advice to anyone interested.

I would like to see this evolve into a place where people can post questions about Japanese grammar, specific translation questions (NOT translation requests), or just general questions about the Japanese language and the process of studying/learning it. I urge other members who are more proficient than I am can contribute their knowledge to help others on this thread. I hope to have a little bit of something here for every level from beginners to advanced learners.

If you have an idea for this FAQ, I'm open to comments, suggestions and constructive criticism. I'll do my best to accommodate all requests, as long as it's a serious request.
I started out just like any aspiring Japanese language learner might--I was exposed to anime, manga and Japanese food by friends throughout my adolescent and teen years. I didn't actually start learning Japanese until I started university, however. Before that, I had pretty much zero knowledge in the language. I studied it in university for 4 years, and graduated with a minor in the Japanese language. I would have majored in it, but at the time my university's Japanese Language Department was nowhere near as large as it is now and they didn't offer a major in Japanese until recently. After graduating from university, I moved to Japan where I lived and worked for 3 years.

I lived in a really small town out in the Japanese countryside, and it was not foreigner-friendly. I say that in the sense that it wasn't geared towards tourism and foreigners; the people were extremely friendly to me, but they spoke absolutely no English. Everything was in Japanese and there was no English to be found. All the restaurants in my town were little mom-and-pop businesses with handwritten menus in kanji and no pictures. My job required me to interact with coworkers in Japanese, talk on the phone in Japanese, read memos in Japanese, etc. I soon realized that if I didn't learn to read, and do it quickly, I wouldn't last in this little town. Sure, I had a minor in Japanese, but prior to graduating from university I originally had no intentions of ever living in Japan so I never took my studies as seriously as I should have (it's a long story how I ended up in Japan--if you're curious just PM me). So I basically had to learn everything over again (and even unlearn a lot things since normal, spoken Japanese is nothing like textbook Japanese).

The only English exposure I had in this kind of environment was when I went home and surfed the Internet. I listened to the radio in Japanese while driving (not to mention reading street signs in Japanese in order to navigate), I watched Japanese TV, and made Japanese friends. I also made friends with non-Japanese people from other countries (Taiwan, Brazil, Italy, etc.), and our only common language was Japanese. Needless to say, I learned Japanese very fast in this environment. I kind of had no choice--it was sink or swim. In fact, I learned more Japanese in my first 3 months in Japan than I did in 4 years of undergraduate study.

In addition to passively absorbing Japanese through constant immersion, during my first year in Japan I took an intermediate Japanese correspondence course, and concurrently signed up for a beginning Japanese course in the evenings with an actual instructor as a refresher. After completing both courses, I took Level 3 (now called N4) of the JLPT. In the summer of that year (after having lived in Japan for a year), my contracting organization sent me to an intense Japanese language course for six weeks at the Japan Foundation Japanese-Language Institute in Kansai. I wasn't allowed to speak English the entire time :unsure:

Within a year I started translating correspondence where I was employed, and within two years I was doing translation projects for the municipal city hall (local government translations). It was around this time I was also doing an advanced Japanese correspondence course, and independently studying for Level 2 (now called N2) of the JLPT. I also picked up Japanese calligraphy and started writing haiku in Japanese.

I still wouldn't call myself a "professional" translator per se, but I was involved in some professional translations. The only Japanese certification I have is that I've passed Level 1 (N1) of the JLPT (I took it a year after I took Level 2, during my 3rd year of living in Japan).

Although I don't live in Japan anymore, I do a number of things to keep up my Japanese. I keep in touch with Japanese friends via e-mail. I read manga only in the original Japanese. I read novels in Japanese as well, but I'll talk about that in a section of my guide below. Every once in a while I watch Japanese clips on YouTube and sometimes stream Japanese radio. I play a lot of Japanese games on the DS and on the PS3 (I created a Japanese PSN account to download Japanese demos). Currently I'm a medical student and I am a volunteer medical translator at the hospital. So lately (for the past year) I have been focusing my Japanese study efforts on learning clinical jargon.

That all said, I still have a hard time calling myself "fluent" in Japanese even though I can certainly get by, and even thrive in Japan with my language ability. I'm sure there are 'Tempers around here who are much more proficient than I am, but I hope this thread can bring the lurkers out of the woodworks to share their wisdom.

In total, I have been learning Japanese for 15 years, and I continue to study it. With this thread, I'll be sharing any tips, tricks and websites I picked up (and continue to pick up) along the way. I will also include tips shared by others in this topic. My hope is that this thread can attract some aspiring learners (as well as masters) of the language of ninjas, and generate more interest in the language.
I can think of many good reasons to learn Japanese, but I'll focus on the reasons that pertain to the interests of this community.
  1. Manga: This requires little explanation, but there are a couple points to be noted here. Although scanlation groups are pretty fast and accurate about translating manga and making it available to the rest of the world, there are just some things that can't be translated. The Japanese are big on puns, kanji-play and pop culture references, and frequently use them in manga. Some scanlation groups are good about putting little translation notes in the margins, but most groups don't bother. The only way to catch all the little nuances that are lost in translation is to read the manga in its purest form, the way it was intended to be read in Japanese.
  2. Anime: The audio equivalent of reading manga. Another thing to note is that regardless of what anyone might tell you, learning Japanese simply by watching subbed anime isn't the most efficient way to do it. Again, a lot is lost in translation, and many references and puns would be impossible to translate anyway.
  3. Video Games:
    Q: What's more awesome than playing a game on its release date in the West?
    A: Playing it when it's released in Japan, that's what!
    Let's face it. If gaming is a big part of your life and you had to learn another language, then Japanese would be the language to learn, hands-down. Games are almost always released in Japan first, and unless you know Japanese, you have to wait for months or years for an English release. And in some unfortunate cases, sometimes the game will never be released outside of Japan. Then you're at the mercy of translation patches. Many are poorly done, and most never get finished, so you just end up disappointed. If you can read Japanese, this would be a non-issue. Knowing Japanese opens up an entire new library of games to you to which others just wouldn't have access. You can also check out gaming news before it's translated into English, watch Tatsumi Kimishima's (RIP Satoru Iwata) keynote speeches in real time without requiring subtitles, and as a result you'll have an edge over other 'Tempers if you enjoy being the first to post gaming news on GBAtemp. The possibilities are endless.
  4. Translating ROMs:
    Of course this is a long-term goal, but even the best translators have to start from zero. The problem with translating is that anyone can call themselves a "translator." But very few "translators" actually have the skill to back up their claim. Most "translators" are just using Google Translate or some other online machine translator, which yields sub-par translation patches. You should call yourself a "translator" only if you can [1] read Japanese on your own (such as an image), and [2] can come up with an equivalent English sentence (or other target language) that makes sense to your target audience. You can only do this by studying Japanese; there are no shortcuts to acquiring this skill.
Beginner (初級)

  1. Enable Japanese text input on your PC. It's understandable that when you first start learning Japanese, you're going to have to use Romaji, though you're going to want to leave that crutch right away. In order to see kana and kanji displayed correctly on your screen, you're going to have to set up Japanese input on your PC. I won't go into depth here because there are tons of guides online on how to do this, but here's one I've found that explains it pretty well. Assuming you're on Windows 7, you can follow these steps.
  2. Install rikaichan (for Firefox) or rikaikun (for Chrome). This is arguably the most awesome browser plugin ever created for reading/studying Japanese. When you enable this plugin, all you have to do is hover your mouse over a Japanese word on any website and it will show you how to read it as well as its definition in English. You have to learn how to read kana before you can use it, though. It only shows you the kanji pronunciations in kana; there is no Romaji mode. I prefer rikaichan over rikaikun because rikaikun lacks some of the cool features that are available in rikaichan. For example, rikaichan has a hotkey that you can press to instantly add any Japanese word (including the kanji, pronunciation and definition, all separated by tabs) to a text file that you designate. This feature allows you to easily create word banks that you can go back and study later. The tab separation helps with incorporating the words into your favorite flashcard program.
  3. Now you have to take the first real step: Learn to read kana. There are two sets of kana: hiragana and katakana. There are 46 characters in each set, and you can learn them in a weekend or two using flashcards (here are some pre-made ones you can print and cut out). Audio of the pronunciations can be found here. You only need to be concerned with the blue squares (sei-on) at this point. Google translate also works for listening to pronunciations (click the little speaker icon to hear it--disregard the English "translation" on the right).
    Learn hiragana first, using flashcards. Katakana is used when writing a foreign word in Japanese, such as a non-Japanese person's name, or an English word that's been imported into the Japanese language like "game" (ゲーム). You can drill those using flashcards the same way you learn hiragana, but for now I would say to just learn them as you encounter them.
  4. After you have a functional knowledge of kana, start reading simple Japanese sentences. Read them in Romaji at first, then try rewriting them using the kana that you know. And when I say "simple sentences," I mean really simple. Don't try to overwhelm yourself. Just start with the basics, like:
    Good morning. = Ohayou gozaimasu. = おはよう ございます。
    Hello. = Konnichiwa. = こんにちは。
    This is a pen. = Kore wa pen desu. = これ は ペン です。
  5. Most importantly, get yourself a good, basic Japanese textbook and go through it! I cannot stress this enough. A lot of "self-study" people overlook this step. Sure, they download 1.5TB of Japanese video, audio, manga, textbooks in PDF, etc., but they just contract the same pirate fever as everyone else who owns every game ISO and has never played a single one of them. BUY a legit textbook (and the accompanying workbook if it has one). And when I say BUY a legit textbook, I mean actually spend money (gasp!) as opposed to...ahem--obtaining them the way some of you probably obtain your games. My reason for this is more pragmatic and has nothing to do with my views on pirating. Once you invest in a textbook, you feel more obligated to use it since you paid for it. And no digital format can beat the feel of a good ol' physical textbook in your hands when it comes to learning. Get one that includes an audio CD for pronunciation. This is especially important for people who aren't taking a formal course and don't have the luxury of an instructor. Read (don't skim) the chapters, rip the CDs and listen to the audio, make flashcards of any new characters/vocabulary/grammar introduced, do all the exercises in the textbook (and the workbook if you have it). Basically, use the hell out of that book.
  6. Practice everything you learn. Use physical flashcards or a flashcard program/app and drill yourself regularly. If you don't use it, you lose it.
  • Genki: An Integrated Course in Elementary Japanese (Vols. I & II): This 2-volume set seems to be the what's used in universities the most, and the lessons presented in the chapters clearly reflect that; every dialogue involves university students speaking to each other or their professors, and the conversations in each chapter cover things like "going to the movies with friends," "going on a date," "discussing homework," etc. Pros: If you're between the ages of 18-25, the lessons are relevant. In addition to teaching about the language, it has "cultural notes" in every lesson that give more insight into Japan. Learning the culture of a language is just as important as vocabulary and grammar. It comes with an MP3 CD (in the 1st edition, this audio was sold separately as a 6-CD "teacher's set" and cost $300--per volume!; now it's included for free in the 2nd edition). Also has a separate workbook. There is extensive online support for this book, and you can find additional resources on the official Genki website. There is another website that contains more resources, maintained by my alma mater, CSUS. Cons: Focuses on daily situations of a typical university student, so it's not optimal for people who have finished university (or who haven't gone to university).
  • Minna no Nihongo (Japanese for Everyone): This is the one I used when I was living in Japan. Unlike Genki, it's tailored to a more general demographic of adults living in Japan. Pros: This book is all in Japanese, which will force you to learn to read it quickly. It has a supplementary volume that you can refer to for grammatical explanations in English. The supplementary volume is available not only in English, but also in just about every major language (Chinese, Korean, French, Spanish, Portuguese, German, Italian, Vietnamese, Thai, Indonesian, etc.), making this series the textbook of choice worldwide. Every chapter is starts with a dialogue in Japanese, followed by a list of new vocab introduced in the dialogue, a list of grammar points introduced in the dialogue, and sample sentences. Cons: The content is there, but to tell you the truth, this book is a bit dry. The presentation of the material is...blah. It's in black and white, and it's bare-bones. If you're just starting out, you're pretty much required to buy the supplemental volume or else you'll be completely lost. And there are CDs for the book, but they're not included. You have to buy them separately, and they're not cheap.
  • Japanese for Busy People: This book is like Minna no Nihongo in that it's tailored to a more general group (as opposed to Genki, which is tailored more for university students). It's well-known, and I've even seen it in the language section of bookstores like Borders (when they were still around) and Barnes & Noble. Pros: N00b-friendly presentation, comes with a kana option or a Romaji option (but I recommend getting the kana version). It includes a CD, and there's a separate workbook (which also includes a CD). It even has a dedicated kana workbook, but personally I don't think you need that. Cons: It's slow-paced--perhaps too slow. Not as much kanji as I would like to see introduced in a textbook. It's not as "academic" as other university textbooks, so it may be lacking a few nit-picky details when it comes to explaining things, but you can easily fill in those gaps by searching online (Tae Wong's grammar guide comes to mind).
  • Beginning Japanese: Your Pathway to Dynamic Language Acquisition: This is a somewhat newer textbook that has been gaining some popularity. Pros: It's in full color, and the historical/cultural information interspersed throughout the text is great. Another thing I like about it is that the book isn't shy about introducing kanji, but it keeps the presentation "n00b-friendly" by placing furigana underneath every single character that appears throughout the text, the key word being underneath (as opposed to furigana appearing above the kanji as it usually does in other texts). This is a key difference because it allows the student to use a sheet of paper to cover the furigana except when the student really needs it. Overall I just like the presentation of the lessons in this book more than the other ones. This series comes with a CD included with the text and you can get a separate workbook. It's the only Japanese textbook series that comes in both hardbound and paperback versions (all the other ones I know of are paperback only). Finally, it has a website that includes translations of the dialogues, additional audio, and other resources. Cons: Being a textbook that was meant to be used in the classroom, some of the exercises in the book involve partnering up with a classmate and practicing the dialogues; however, a partner isn't required because you can just play both roles of "person A" and "person B" on your own. You can preview the contents of the 2nd volume, Intermediate Japanese, here for yourself. The 1st volume looks similar in lesson presentation.
  • Nakama: Honestly I have never used this series. It's the only textbook that I don't own out of the ones I've listed here, so I know very little about it. But I wouldn't recommend this because it's just so damned expensive. I only listed it because it's the other one that's widely used in US universities.
Here's some additional info on some of these books that I wrote in another post.

Regardless of which book you go with, the content will be the same. It all comes down to presentation and how much you're willing to pay for a good book. If you get a textbook, try to make sure it comes with a CD (but I guess it's standard now, so you probably don't have to worry about this). Don't buy a textbook if you have to buy the CD separately. Do get the workbook and USE it. And just buy ONE textbook and ONE workbook, and devote yourself to it. Don't go crazy and buy tons of books; you'll look at your stack of books and most likely, you'll just say "screw it."

If anyone has any questions about Japanese textbooks, post in this thread. I have all the popular ones in my personal Japanese library, and tons of not-as-popular ones. And if I don't have it, chances are I've heard of it and might still know a few things about it (and maybe even know enough about it to decide that it's not worth buying).

At this stage it's going to be a while before you can get to the point where you can comfortably play games/read manga/watch anime in Japanese. Check the sections below for more information on how to proceed past the beginning stages.

Hiragana 42: the best guide i've found to learn the Hiragana (in a day!) Its a PDF downloadable book. Just remember you have to learn the Katakana too.

Hiragana and Katakana Quiz Site: A little dated but works just fine. Does exactly what it says, quizes your kana knowledge.

Kana Space Invaders Game I really suggest playing this at least once you think you have a good handle on your Kana. Its quick and merciless. It really makes you think. Not only that, its pretty well animated too.

Anki: An amazing program that will make sure you never forget any vocab.

JapaneseClass.jp: A free site for vocabulary and kanji (and hiragana & katakana), multi answer quizzes that varies in style. Sometimes you get the meaning in English and have to choose the correct Japanese answer, other times you get the kanji and have to choose the correct hiragana reading. It's all very simple and basic. A good place to start and to maintain what you already know. A beefed up flash card basically. It also have a simple dictionary, and you can even search by drawing the kanji.

Kanji Converter: I usually use this site to quickly translate kanji into rōmaji, and get the meaning. It's not perfect, but works very well for me. Paste a phrase or a couple of sentenses in the text field, choose "Detailed" and "Rōmaji" (or Hiragana or whatever you want) and you'll get the reading and the meaning of each part of the phrase, word by word.

Excite online translator: Like Google Translate, but in my opinion slightly better. There are a few things to know how to use it. The left box is where you input your text, and the result is on the right side. The blue button between the text boxes is the "Translate" button. You pick on the top of the writing box if you want to translate from English to Japanese, or vice versa. 英 is for English (英語) and 日 is for Japanese (日本語).
I recommend only using it from Japanese to English to get a slight idea about what the text is about. It may not translate perfectly, but you'll be able to guess what it's about. You can also use it to check something you've written. If you think you wrote a sentense in Japanese, try to translate it and see if the result looks good. You can catch a few errors that way if you learn how the results look. I'll give a short example here:

I want to write "I write." and I know that kaku is "to write" and when I do something it's "masu".
So I try with "Watashi wa kaku masu." (私は書くます。) and get the result "The trout I write.", which doesn't look right at all.
So I remember that it's "verb + imasu" and try "Watashi wa kaku imasu." (私は書くいます。) and get the result "I write it, I'm here."... better, but still not that great.
Oh yeah, when a verb ends with u, you often change the u to an i and add masu. I try "Watashi wa kakimasu." (私は書きます。) and get the result "I write it.", and I'm satisfied with that.
Now the point is rather that you know how to write it from the beginning, and can check for typos this way. Put in a phrase you've written, and if it looks really weird maybe you've made a typo.

Intermediate (中級)

Assuming you have learned some basic Japanese (see the section above), you can move on to the intermediate stages. If you have not gone through at least one textbook and more or less retained most of the information from it, you are not ready to progress to the intermediate level. Learn to walk before you run.

At the intermediate stage, you should be acquiring more and more vocabulary (with a focus on learning the kanji used in those words), memorizing more grammar, and beginning to break out into non-textbook Japanese. The best way to ease into "real" Japanese literature is by reading manga. At this stage this is probably the single most important thing you can do to boost your proficiency.

Bruce Lee believed that having a strong core would increase the power that the body could output in every movement, and it appears he was right. Reading manga is to Japanese study as working your core is to athletic training. Learning to read manga is the foundation for acquiring a high level of Japanese literacy, and ultimately, speaking fluency. With manga, you learn native spoken grammar (as opposed to awkward textbook grammar), vocabulary and kanji. Even listening comprehension is somewhat improved, because as you acquire more vocabulary and are made aware of the existence of more and more words, you will begin to hear these words in conversation, when you are listening to audio in Japanese, or watching videos in Japanese.

But one thing you should be careful about is the vocabulary that is used in certain manga, especially period manga (such as Ruroni Kenshin) or fantasy manga (Bleach, Naruto, etc.). Exclaiming "dattebayo" to a native Japanese speaker during a normal conversation will undoubtedly elicit strange looks. Make sure that you read manga for the grammar, and when you come across a word you don't know, don't bother memorizing it if it's not useful to know outside of the context of the manga you're reading. I should note here that I personally know a lot of expatriates who lived (or currently live) in Japan, but only a handful of them ever reached a high level of fluency. With a few exceptions, the thing they all had in common is that they all read Japanese manga when they were learning. Those who never really learned how to speak, never read anything in Japanese outside of their textbooks. Some might argue that all you need to do is get a Japanese girlfriend to learn Japanese, but (1) that's not practical outside of Japan, and (2) you'll end up speaking like a girl, and your girlfriend will never correct you because she thinks it's "cute." So read manga.

These are the books that I consider the "trifecta" of intermediate Japanese learning. Among these three books, you've got everything covered: grammar, kanji, and vocabulary. The bonus is that these three books will serve you well even in the advanced stages. Get a good intermediate textbook (suggestions to be added in a different section below) and you can have a solid library in just 4 books.
  • Japanese the Manga Way: An excellent book with a focus on the grammar that is used in real manga, and by extension, grammar that is used in everyday spoken Japanese. I have bought this book 4 times because I keep giving my copies away to friends who are learning Japanese--that's how essential I think it is. Everyone should have this in their library if they're serious about progressing from intermediate to advanced level. Find a manga you enjoy, and while reading it, keep this book on hand along with a good basic Japanese-English dictionary.
  • The Kodansha Kanji Learner's Dictionary: This book will teach you everything you need to know about kanji. It explains radicals, the importance of stroke order, kanji frequency, how to look up kanji in a dictionary via the SKIP method, and of course, it contains more than enough kanji to keep you busy for a while. There are more hardcore kanji dictionaries out there than this one, but those are big, hardcover, bulky tomes. This is compact, light, and packs a lot of information without being cluttered. The presentation is easy on the eyes, and it's overall one of the most user-friendly kanji dictionaries out there, which also makes it one of the most popular.
  • Kodansha's Furigana Japanese Dictionary: Of all the physical dictionaries I own, I've found this one to give me the biggest bang for my buck. This book contains absolutely no Romaji, so you have to be comfortable with kana before using this. I wrote more about it in this post. It has the same small form factor as The Kodansha Kanji Learner's Dictionary, so it's easy to take with you anywhere. This book retails for USD $60 (the price I paid for it 12 years ago), and in the link above it's $37 at the time of this writing. At that price, it's a steal.
I rave about Japanese the Manga Way because it's a great supplemental grammar book to your intermediate textbook, it contains useful, real-world grammar (as opposed to textbook grammar), and it's cheap. But Manga Way is more useful for spoken Japanese grammar. The following three books take a more "academic" approach and are useful for spoken grammar, written grammar, formal grammar, literary grammar, and all the other written/spoken styles you'd encounter in Japanese. These were indispensable when I was studying for the JLPT. If you want to expand your fluency beyond video games, anime and manga, these come highly recommended. They are a little pricey, but are by far the best Japanese grammar dictionaries you can find in English. Well worth the investment and worthy of a special place in your personal Japanese library. I still find myself going back to the Advanced and Intermediatevolumes to look up certain grammar points on the odd occasion I read something in Japanese.
  • A Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar: This book is actually good for beginners, as well. It has entries for every grammar point you'll encounter in your first 1-2 years of Japanese, and then some. For each entry, it gives the English definition and a few example sentences showing its usage, in Japanese (kanji and Romaji) and in English. It goes further to explain the grammar in detail (without being too technical), and it even shows sentences in which beginners might misuse the grammar point, then explain why it's wrong (and offer a correct way to say the wrong sentence). If you're studying for the JLPT, this will serve you well for N5 and N4.
  • A Dictionary of Intermediate Japanese Grammar: This book is structured in an identical manner to the first book, and contains more sophisticated grammar that you'll encounter in your first 2-3 years of Japanese. Unlike the Basic volume, it doesn't use any Romaji. Instead, it shows all example Japanese sentences with furigana above the kanji. For JLPT, this book is great for N4 and N3.
  • A Dictionary of Advanced Japanese Grammar: Structured just like the previous two books, this contains grammar that you'd find beyond your 3rd year of Japanese, and is particularly useful for JLPT levels N2 and N1.
  • Kanji Alive: One of the better kanji resources I have found online. It features animated stroke order diagrams, readings, definitions, kanji reference numbers for two of the most popular kanji dictionaries (Kodansha and Nelson), radicals (including the evolution from pictograph to its current form), and hints/mnemonics to help you remember each kanji. It even has audio for all of the examples (male and female voices), custom links to Kenkyusha's excellent online J/E dictionary for additional and more complex examples and the option to view the target kanji in different fonts (kyokashotai, mincho, gothic and gothic-maru). The kanji search options and the way kanji in the results can be grouped and sorted by radical make it really versatile. All for free!
  • Erin's Challenge!: An excellent web resource that introduces natural Japanese using video skits of typical real-life situations, including complete scripts in Japanese and English of all spoken dialogue in the videos, manga and even end-of-lesson questions to test your comprehension. Thanks to iluvfuzz for the contribution!
Coming Soon!

Memrise

Intermediate-Advanced (中・上級)
Now you're really delving deep into the rabbit ninja hole! At this point, you probably have no need for textbooks and should be getting into real literature. At this level of learning, there are very few books that teach in English. From this point on, you have to get used to the idea of learning Japanese--in Japanese.
Coming Soon!

Advanced (上級)



Miscellaneous (その他)

This section contains stuff that I couldn't really classify into the other sections. Although it's all Japanese language-related, anyone from any proficiency level can check these out.
  • How to Play (and comprehend!) Japanese Games: A very handy guide by DS1 (a.k.a., the Legendary Mahjong Warrior) on how to play Japanese games without actually having to know much Japanese. It's a different philosophy and approach to Japanese games from what I offer here, but it's definitely worth a look.
  • Nihongo Resources: This website explains grammar, particles, counters, and contains some other useful information. It even includes a free PDF of the entire contents of the website in book format. The PDF is bare-bones, but the explanations are decent, and hey, it's free! (thanks vbkun!)
 
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Arigato densetsu san! ore wa nihongo ga sukoshi wakarimasu!
ENG: Thanks Densetsu! i know a little bit of japanese!

and im self taught too :P i have kata/hira memorized and working on kanji ATM. btw for the people who are learning kanji, i would recommend essential kanji by P.G.O'Neill. im learning with that right now. gambatte minna! :D
What exactly are you thanking me for :unsure:

I have seen the book Essential Kanji before, but I can recommend an even better one. I consider the The Kodansha Kanji Learner's Dictionary to be one of those must-have books if you're just starting out with learning kanji. I used mine so much that I actually wore out the binding of the first one and had to buy another one for my collection of Japanese reference books.

And just for future reference, you should probably avoid using "ore" to refer to yourself because it can come of as sounding rude in front of certain people. It would be the closest equivalent of souding "ghetto" in Japanese, and if you can imagine a Japanese person learning English from gangsta thugs and how off-putting it woud sound if he spoke that way, you can imagine how out-of-place it would sound for an American (or other non-Japanese speaker) to use "ore" unless you were very comfortable with the language.

Not only that, but if you use "ore," you shouldn't use it with the polite form of a verb (ending in ~masu as in "wakarimasu"). You would have to use the more colloquial dictionary form of the verb (ending in ~ru, as in "wakaru"). If you start out a sentence sounding "thuggish," you need to end it in the same tone. Otherwise, the sentence has no balance.

For example, which of the following two sentences sounds more natural?
  1. "Yo dawg, good lookin' out. You got my back."
  2. "Yo dawg, thank you for your concern. I can count on you."
If you're a native American English speaker, you can easily tell that the second sentence is somewhat...off. That's how "Ore wa nihongo ga sukoshi wakarimasu" probably sounds to a native Japanese. My advice is to just stick to using "watashi" or "boku" to refer to yourself. I do.



Japaneses definitely has its quirkiness and grammatical exceptions (such as words you think are ichidan but end up being yodan verbs instead). A good example would be 帰る (kaeru) to return and comparing it to 食べる (taberu), "to eat".

While both end with a "eru" sound, one is yodan (kaeru) and the other is ichidan (taberu), as they both conjugate in two very different ways. Then there's command form for verbs, which can be tricky as well.
I don't know if it's because I've been learning for a long time, but when I try to conjugate the polite form (-masu form) of either one as if they were the other type of verb, they just sound weird (c.f 食べます vs ×食べります ; 帰ります vs ×帰えます)

Anyway, just dropping a neat trick I learnt from one of my lecturers from when I was doing an elementary course about the あ・い・う・え・お order, since it can reveal conjugations for the yodan verbs.

I'll do this in rōmaji to highlight the point, and I'll use the verb 'kaku' (to write OR to draw) as an example

あ | negative: kakanai → "(I) don't write"
い | stem form (-masu form): kaki(masu) → "(I) write"
う | dictionary / plain form: kaku → "to write"
え | potential form: kakeru → "(I) can write"
お | volitional form: kakou → "Let's write"

You basically replace the last vowel with an あ・い・う・え・お ending to get certain conjugations.
Thanks Inori, I was going to get to this when I had time, but you saved me the trouble and pretty much said everything I would have said, except I've always learned that they were called godan verbs (as opposed to yodan). In fact, I always thought that the reason they were called godan was because of the "5-step" あ・い・う・え・お conjugation you just showed above (for those who don't know, godan means "5-step" and yodan means "4-step").
Unfortunately, this trick says nothing about conjugating the "-te form", which is perhaps the most difficult one to learn.
I just memorized this little nonsensical phrase:

いちり って
みにび んで
き いて
ぎ いで
し して

Sorry to those just starting out and have no idea what the hell this is. It makes much more sense fairly early on in your studies.

even with all my books it's sooooooooo hard to learn without a propper teacher to actually
answer all the questions i have from time to time as i cannot write every single question here,
plus i think it would be very usefull to try out newly learned stuff on others and get a feedback
if its correctly done or not.
Yeah, it would be much better if you have a real teacher to guide you and who can be there to answer every question you have in real time. I wouldn't recommend learning Japanese on your own. But if you post any questions here I'll do my best to answer them. You can always try out what you learn here and I can help you out. There's even an EoF topic where you're required to post in Japanese (no English allowed unless in spoilers) :P
i was saying thanks for starting the thread itself, sorry i wasnt specific. and thanks for the pointers, i didnt know that ore was considered rude. i definitley have to get The Kodansha Kanji Learner's Dictionary soon.
 

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I just started learning Japanese so I'm super far away from actually transulating Japanese. I don't even know all the kana yet but I'm learning. I want to learn a decent about of vocabulary, good grammar, and kana before I start on the kanji. I defantly need to learn kana before the kanji. I bought this game or educational thing for the ds called my japanese coach which should help me with the basic at least. I'm thinking about taking Japanese at the community college I'm going to, but its more of like a torist type class because they only teach you how to speak and read/write kana. But it might be worth it to get started.
If I would learn first grade through 6th grade kanji would that be a good start when I get there?

Also when I learn kana and say first through third grade kanji is there any japanese games that is for kids that doesn't have a high difficultly of reading so I could practice my reading skills?
 

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Welcome to the 'Temp, @[member='iluvfuzz']!

I'm thinking about taking Japanese at the community college I'm going to, but its more of like a torist type class because they only teach you how to speak and read/write kana. But it might be worth it to get started. If I would learn first grade through 6th grade kanji would that be a good start when I get there?
There are about 1,000 kanji to memorize from 1st-6th grade. Not only would learning all of them for a conversational Japanese class be overly ambitious, but it wouldn't necessarily help you for that kind of class, either.


Also when I learn kana and say first through third grade kanji is there any japanese games that is for kids that doesn't have a high difficultly of reading so I could practice my reading skills?
I believe there are some educational DS games for Japanese children that teach them to read (I think there's a Doraemon game, but I can't check at the moment). The approach those games use are only good for native Japanese speaking children. I still think the best way to learn Japanese would be to use a textbook with structured lessons.
 
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I would be learning kanji for fun not for the class. Mostly because there are a lot of games I want to play that are in Japanese but perhaps to learn kanji just for that sole purpose is stupid?

How many kanji would you say you know?
How did you start learning Japanese?
 

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I would be learning kanji for fun not for the class. Mostly because there are a lot of games I want to play that are in Japanese but perhaps to learn kanji just for that sole purpose is stupid?

How many kanji would you say you know?
How did you start learning Japanese?

I think he stated in the first post how he learned :)

If you want a few tips on learning Kanji, I would suggest learning them in context if you only wish to learn them to understand video games. If that's the case, then you can probably save speaking and writing in Japanese for last and focus more on reading and listening. Learn Kanji in words and sentences than in isolation.

Densetsu and others can offer better advice, though :)
 

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Okay I went back and read the first post.
I've decided to learn kana first! I've read on several sites besides just this forum posts that learning kana first is best! I know seven hiragana characters so far. I plan on spending more time on it tomorrow since I don't have class. I'm hoping by mid June I'll have kana down. I think that is a decent amount of time to learn it if I work hard.
I have My Japanese Coach on ds, but I'm going to learn kana before I go back to it. I think there is a setting that lets you change things to mostly kana or something like that.
Kana seems really easy to learn so far. I think I'm going to have to make some flash cards though.
There's a Japanese lady that lives at the place my aunt works. She knows I guess enough English to get by but maybe if I learn the language well enough I can strike a conversation with her. :)
Yeah reading and listening would probably be a good focus for me!
 

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You would have to know Kana to learn Kanji anyway. I believe My Japanese Coach gives you incorrect stroke orders for some of the Kana and Kanji, if I remember correctly. So that wouldn't really help, unfortunately. And I believe it tests you on how many words and Kana you know at the beginning then puts you on a level based on that, which isn't very helpful, because you can know a few words in previous lessons, not all, but they would skip those lessons anyway. I think there's a way to view previous lessons, but I could be wrong.
There are many errors with the game, though. I would just recommend using it for vocabulary, not for writing. Though apparently, people had problems with some of the vocabulary it introduced, as well. Here is one of the topics and a video I found about the game. The topic is from 2009 and I don't know if they've released a newer version of My Japanese Coach with the errors fixed since then.

I recommend LiveMocha, Tae Kim's Guide, memrise.com(For vocabulary), and renshuu.org if you want to learn Japanese online. If you have the money for textbooks, the Genki books are amazing.

You could improve your Japanese speaking skills if you did strike up a conversation with the Japanese lady :)
 

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Thanks for the awesome links Phoenix Goddess!!!
They shall help me on my quest.
I didn't realize that my japanese coach had flaws. I'll have to look up more information on it.
I've heard that the Genki books are good. I'll have to look up more information on that as well.
I think the hardest part will be kanji. I have no idea how many kanji or what kanji would be good to start learning. Originally I thought about just learning kanji the way Japanese kids learn it in school.. like first grade, second grade, and so on. I have no idea if that is a good idea or not.
 

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Kanji really isn't that hard when you learn them in context, to be honest. The hardest part for me is speaking, because you have to come up with sentences from the top of your head and you can't really check what it is you have to say.

There are books and programs that teaches you the easy Kanji first and the harder Kanji down the line. It's also a good thing to learn Kanji radicals when you have a difficult time thinking up a Kanji. You can just think of its radicals to make things easier. You can get a Kanji Dictionary to help you with that, too. I believe Densetsu linked one on the last page :)
 

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Do you know of any good books that teach you kanji radicals?
I saw the link to the dictionary and I found some samples of it online. I think I might have to look into buying it once I get the basics down.
Do you recommend trying to learn the easy kanji first before the hard ones?
 

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Do you know of any good books that teach you kanji radicals?
I saw the link to the dictionary and I found some samples of it online. I think I might have to look into buying it once I get the basics down.
Do you recommend trying to learn the easy kanji first before the hard ones?

Of course. That's how most books and sites will teach you Kanji anyway. With the easy stuff first.
This book just came out earlier this month, but it's the newer version of the Kanji book I have. It teaches you all of the 常用漢字(Jouyou kanji), how to write them, and its radicals. It also gives you four or five vocabulary words of the Kanji in context. I usually put the vocabulary word into ALC and look up example sentences to see how the word is used in a Japanese sentence.
 

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Actually, you don't really have to know any kana before you learn kanji. It is possible to learn kanji without knowing any kana. Just ask any Chinese person living in Japan. Another very famous linguist, James Heisig, memorized all of the kanji before he even mastered the language. He even wrote a series of books sharing his method. The guy who maintains this site, Khatzumoto, became fluent in Japanese and learned kanji before he learned kana.

As for what order should you learn kanji in, you really should be learning them in order of frequency, not in order of difficulty. For example, the kanji 乙 is extremely easy, but it's so rare that it's almost not worth learning. The character 機 is considered "difficult" to write, but it's a very commonly used kanji. Just to illustrate my point, if you know the 1,000 most frequently used kanji, you will be able to read about 75-80% of all Japanese text. If you know 2,000 kanji, you'll be able to read 95% of all Japanese text. Knowing that extra 1,000 in addition to the most frequent 1,000 only accounts for about 15% of kanji that you see in print.

But like PG says, don't learn kanji one by one. Pick them up as you encounter new vocabulary words. And learn the kanji for normal vocabulary words, like "airplane," "beach," "house," etc. Not useless anime crap like 抜刀斎 (battousai). For "airplane," the kanji are 飛行機 (hikouki). For "automobile," the kanji are 自動車 (jidousha). As difficult as some of those kanji look, they're extremely common and much more useful than "easier," rare kanji like 壬 or 巳.
 
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Actually, you don't really have to know any kana before you learn kanji. It is possible to learn kanji without knowing any kana. Just ask any Chinese person living in Japan. Another very famous linguist, James Heisig, memorized all of the kanji before he even mastered the language. He even wrote a series of books sharing his method. The guy who maintains this site, Khatzumoto, became fluent in Japanese and learned kanji before he learned kana.

I was referring to the kun'yomi readings. Knowing Kana would help you with that.
 

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I"ve been using software called Human Japanese. I've been using it to study kana so far. But I've been kind of glancing through out the entire chapters. There are some chapters that art just to take a breather and learn about Japanese culture. So far I"ve learned that futons are different from the futon in Japan. Its not a couch type thing that turns into a bed but a mattress that is thin and used to sleep on. Its thin enough to fold up and put into a closet. Another thing I learned is about Japanese baths. That baths are not a way to get clean but a way to relax. You actually shower before getting into the bath tub. The water in the bath is used for the whole family as well.
I enjoy learning about the culture as well.
 

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I"ve been using software called Human Japanese. I've been using it to study kana so far. But I've been kind of glancing through out the entire chapters. There are some chapters that art just to take a breather and learn about Japanese culture. So far I"ve learned that futons are different from the futon in Japan. Its not a couch type thing that turns into a bed but a mattress that is thin and used to sleep on. Its thin enough to fold up and put into a closet. Another thing I learned is about Japanese baths. That baths are not a way to get clean but a way to relax. You actually shower before getting into the bath tub. The water in the bath is used for the whole family as well.
I enjoy learning about the culture as well.

That's actually a pretty good program to get the basics down and learn a little culture. It teaches vocabulary words and some verbs, too. I did a mini-review on it a few pages back and recommended it. It teaches you the correct stroke order if I recall, but it doesn't help you with Kanji very much(hardly at all, I think.)
 

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Thanks a lot for this thread. It's really helping with my studying japanese :D
You're welcome! It's just that Japanese is probably the most important language to know for this kind of forum (after English, of course). So many people here love Japanese games, J-pop, anime and manga that it just made sense to start a topic on the language.

I did a mini-review on it a few pages back and recommended it.
Sorry, I've been meaning to link to it on the first post. I'll do that right now ;)
 

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Sorry, I've been meaning to link to it on the first post. I'll do that right now ;)

You don't have to >___<
I've been meaning to make mini-reviews for the Intermediate level since it's a little left out and you can always find an assload of things for the Beginner level. So far though all I can recommend for the Intermediate Levels are the Kanken games. They are absolutely AMAZING for Kanji, but you have to know what the menus and instructions say, as well as some of the advanced Kanji they give, thus, Intermediate :lol:

For those who know some Japanese(Kana, verbs, grammar, etc.) and can read some basic Japanese sentences, but not quite on the Intermediate level, 正しい漢字かきとりくん(Tadashii Kanji Kakitori-kun) is very helpful.
 

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Do any of you know any good rpgs that are only in Japansese that I can check out once I know kana and some kanji?
I don't mean games that help you learn. I mean for fun, but I guess they would probably help as well.
 

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Do any of you know any good rpgs that are only in Japansese that I can check out once I know kana and some kanji?
I don't mean games that help you learn. I mean for fun, but I guess they would probably help as well.

The Ace Attorney series and Zelda games on DS. The Zelda game has furigana to help you. Final Fantasy games on DS were pretty easy too after I learned about 400 Kanji and the grammar.
 

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