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Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States
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Oh, so instead of "the truth will prevail", it's "what prevails, is the truth". Okay. I understand what side of honesty you fall on in that respect, but the court phase has just started, and I've only gaven my input as a witness. Don't mind me!
This is how to be a joke. You can pretend I'm saying something controversial. Pretend is the operative word here. I really hope "fake it til you make it" doesn't become the new National Anthem btw. I've had enough Kardashians myself.
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Fact check: No court has decided anything, because the suits and legal actions were only filed today.
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When you object to process changes and aren't going to accept those changes as legitimate thats when you raise the issue, beforehand.
Americans stated in the millions we were not going to trust millions of mail in ballots showing up at 3 am, do not change the process. Stop breaking elections.
Blogs that post false information, LumInvader is a troll that believes whatever big brother and the ministry of truth declare to be true.
Citations:
http://www.statesponsoredagendadrivenmisinformation.com
Zerohedge is also a conspiracy theory aggregator with QAnon stories popping up in their "political" section:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/introduction-q
This is why we fact-check your links because they usually end up just like this one -- untrustworthy with a strong focus on conspiracy peddling.
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Your "fact-check" conveniently ignores all of Trump's court cases that have been dismissed, which was summarized in the link you clearly didn't read.
He lost because he didn't deliver the Wall to the people.
Where is the wall President Trump, we only expected the wall from you.
Well looks like the Mexicans didn't pay for the wall and he didn't want to use his secret Chinese bank account.
Where is the wall President Trump, we only expected the wall from you.
Well looks like the Mexicans didn't pay for the wall and he didn't want to use his secret Chinese bank account.
That method as a way to try to find out if voter fraud is happening is fine btw. Havent looked at the claims of what irregularities are found.
Whats pretty much BS is that:
https://www.zerohedge.com/political...ns-election-fraud-after-analyzing-mail-ballot
Because the primary data source is NYT which is being scraped, so if that goes away - the 'back up and distribute means' effort is useless.
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Because the shared .csv is a shared .csv, a few KB in size. In one file. For this you dont need a distributed effort to back it up. Name it Barbies Shopping spending, place it on dropbox. Done.
also - the effort to 'distribute it - for everybody to see' is pretty useless, because people literally have no idea, what looking at a .csv with numbers would mean.
also - a guy writing a scraper to scrape NYT published vote count data isnt an "anonymous" data scientist.
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This is before looking into the eleged fraud in the data.
But on a positive not - this IS how you would find election fraud in this election (if it was there), the other 20 examples brought forward by Trumpists are not (functionally impossible/useless). So good on you, you are learning.
Wow, you are just finding out that mail votes are scewed towards democratic votes. The thing I told you would happen five days (?) before the election, and then complained the day after the election, that so few media outlets were aware of 'could happen' in their reporting.
The reason I told you it might happen? Because It happens im my country for 10+ years, and I looked up a Californa institute of tech paper on 'biases like these happening' three days before the election.
Reasoning goes as follows. Trump tells his voters to vote in person. Democrats do not. The end. Or - demacrats more afraid of covid. The end.
Wow. So much fraud!
That part of the 'obvious voting pattern' is downplayed by the blog as 'some outliers' .
edit: Ah - Zero hedge then "surprisingly finds out" that the answer to 'is this fraud' to "normal distribution with some outliers" is no! Well, how wonderful that this was their introduction into a "voting fraud" article. What comes next must be astonishing, to begin an article with a total waste of time like that.
Possible explaination. The first mail votes that were counted were the first mail votes that came in (first come, first serve), which were the ones actually cast before there were public statements in mail voting made by both camps. Then Trump told his followers, that mail voting was the devil. This scoured the 'normal distribution' of mail votes, from that point forward. As mail votes were cast later (infrequent/new mail voters getting into it, because of covid), there was a statistical trend towards much more democratic votes coming in per mail.
For some reason, counting them started right around 4am - which THE PRESIDENT framed as 'votes found at 4 a.m. or something" without proof (the 'found' part, no they were just counted then). So now you are playing with that characterization, which could be a scam.
Also - the idea to scew mail in votes toward becoming mostly democratic, came from republicans. Their entire election PR was, stay away from mail in votes, they can be fraudulent. Thereby they created a self fulfilling prophecy.
One easy way to find out.
By what percentege were democrat votes scewed (higher than) than republican votes, arriving per mail - and does that make sense for the scenario? If you want - even resolved by 'time they were counted'.
That would be the intersting part. Answer D/R ratio per timeunit votes were counted was mostly 1:1 in all examples given, even at the 'most extreme' (as proposed by that blog).
In that case, the ratio increases from 'republican favoring' to 'roughly equal' - that 'this should not happen' is based on what? That the D/R ratio of voters casting their mail votes later cant change to 'roughly equal' (in that case). Why?
This might be a sampling issue. So as mail votes counted first are actually NOT shuffled in the mail system, and counted by fewer vote counters, their chances to be 'outliers' (votes in one county being counted only, which could vote early and was early to be counted in first come first serve) are high.
As more and more vote counters shift to counting mail votes, the amount of mail votes counted every hour increases, which increases the number of mail votes counted, which decreases the chance of the D/R ratio to break out in extreme ways.
The more mail votes are counted (in an hour) - the more 'stable' the D/R ratio of 1:1 becomes.
edit: This also is false:
Most mail in votes are cast in population dense areas (cities), where delivering those mail in votes also takes longest, as the postal system becomes clogged with the additional demand.
Polling centers are not that far separated from rural voters, that that would result in additional days being added to the shipping time. For a significant amount of 'rural voters'.
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edit: The most reasonable explaination for that 'statistical anomally' is "larger counties being started to be counted", btw.
So lets say mail votes are not 'randomized' in the postal system, but arrive in a 'first come, first serve' order. At first you have smaller counties allowing mail votes/having many voters already familiar with mail in voting. At some point later in time, a larger city 'enables their mail in vote process'.
As the amount of 'vote counters' you have stays roughly the same (in comparison to city/county size), the following happens.
Small city, small different city, small different city, small different city, New York, New York, New York, New York, New York, ...
Because small different cities might have extreme different biases in D/R ratio, but New York City might not have - you get less outliers.
Don't know if thats the reason, but its a possible one.
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I, for one, wanted to see him "lock her up". My disappointment is immeasurable. Instead, it seems we got her-squared.
Sadly the wolverine watchmen's were not so wolverine after all, or even watchmen's for that matter.
Oh the woe is me, Mr. Trump must be weeping, I feel sad for him already. American's should have a re-election since it was a fraud.
On the Brightside the transitional procedure is still at hand, and we don't know when this lovely man will hand down the helm,
or the real question being if will he ever?
Also - on the zerohedge article above:
"Its a data source, that only media has access to - and "we" have not."
Votes get counted by the voting places, then uploaded to a central database, thats then shared with media, who does the reporting.
Votes do not get counted by the votingplaces, then uploaded to a central dartabase, thats then shared with candidates, who then do the reporting.
Also - if you are a blog, yes - you might not have access to that database. If you are FOX News though, you have. Or the New York Post. Or...
And yes - if you have none of the major media outlets in your camp anymore - its tough - but thats self inflicted. And I'm sure you could sue to get access to that data later on. (Someone find out.)
Actually - you could have a guy in every one of your polling places, uploading results as the night goes on, and create that database yourself.
This literally was, counting places taking up the phone and reporting results every hour - before everyone switched to shared databases.
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And the explanation, that you get 'high fluctuating outliers' (in D/R voting ratio), because 'mail is randomized in the mail system sufficiently', in something equivalent to an 'aggregate number you announce every hour or so' is exactly the opposite of what should happen.
If mail vote was sufficiently randomized. In an aggregate number of votes per hour - you would see hardly any outliers. You would see middle of the road averages all the way.
Just in case someone needed to have that spelled out.
"Its a data source, that only media has access to - and "we" have not."
Votes get counted by the voting places, then uploaded to a central database, thats then shared with media, who does the reporting.
Votes do not get counted by the votingplaces, then uploaded to a central dartabase, thats then shared with candidates, who then do the reporting.
Also - if you are a blog, yes - you might not have access to that database. If you are FOX News though, you have. Or the New York Post. Or...
And yes - if you have none of the major media outlets in your camp anymore - its tough - but thats self inflicted. And I'm sure you could sue to get access to that data later on. (Someone find out.)
Actually - you could have a guy in every one of your polling places, uploading results as the night goes on, and create that database yourself.
This literally was, counting places taking up the phone and reporting results every hour - before everyone switched to shared databases.
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And the explanation, that you get 'high fluctuating outliers' (in D/R voting ratio), because 'mail is randomized in the mail system sufficiently', in something equivalent to an 'aggregate number you announce every hour or so' is exactly the opposite of what should happen.
If mail vote was sufficiently randomized. In an aggregate number of votes per hour - you would see hardly any outliers. You would see middle of the road averages all the way.
Just in case someone needed to have that spelled out.
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Trump supporters are trying to hand wave over legitimate votes.
How do we know that there aren't fraudulent votes for Trump?
It's farcical to suggest that democrat runs states must be fraudulent if they don't elect Trump, if they are democrat run states then that would suggest they have a majority of democrat voters.
Trump knew he could lose, so he laid the foundations by claiming mail in votes were fraudulent, then when he started losing he stepped up the rhetoric and claimed he won the election before the count was finished. He is just burning his integrity right now.
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Is it just me that finds it a little fishy that the star witness Trump has to the fake claims of voter fraud is a convicted pedophile??
https://metro.co.uk/2020/11/09/dona...sex-offender-as-voter-fraud-witness-13565064/
https://metro.co.uk/2020/11/09/dona...sex-offender-as-voter-fraud-witness-13565064/
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