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Here's the thing:
The US Declaration of Independence, the Preamble, allows for the People to take back the Government for the People in the event the Government no longer represents the People, becomes Authoritarian, Abuses it's Authority, goes against the People, stuff like that, with the 2nd Amendment being a means for the People to do so.

This does not mean that People can do this, just because someone Lost an Election, especially if that Person claims it was Stolen, without any Proof, just because that Person wants to stay in, and be a Dictator.

However, with how our Country is, I have no doubt this will have to be done, eventually. With Companies pouring Money into Elections, with Officials staying in Office for far longer than they should, just to benefit them, and make sure they stay in Office somehow, even though they go against what the People want (example: The People, most of the People, want to expand Social Security, and Medicare, but Republicans want to scrap it, along with VA Benefits, against what the People want, and are willing to hold the Country hostage, apparently to do it). Along with Churches trying to push Religious Views/Beliefs, which is against the 1st Amendment (Congress make no law respecting an establishment of religion - which also means no forcing Religious Views or Beliefs, such as being against Abortion, or against P*** (yeah, they want to Ban it), and even the far Right wanting to ditch the Seperation of Church and State, claiming Gov should not tell Religion what to do, but rather Religion should tell Gov what to do). Also, again, the Preamble of the DoI, the 2nd Amendment being a means for the People to do this when/if needed, and yet there are those who want to Ban Weapons, Gun Control like crazy, and even those wanting to get rid of the 2A. Basically a means of trying to limit the People's ability to fight back if the Gov ever decides to say the hell with the People, and start stripping People of our Rights even more, and try to force more control over the People.
But most importantly, if you were the Government, how would you want to make sure the People would want to get rid of Weapons???? You would make sure incidents happen, especially in certain areas. Then, when People no longer have means of Defending themselves, or the Country or being able to take it back, then you can do whatever you want to them. Or, by my other Theory, with how it has been established for Trump, if he started siding with Foreign Countries that are Hostile to our ways, then the People would not be able to fight back against them.
 

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So are the walls closing in around dRumpf or is this the beginning of the end? So hard to tell these days. Hopefully, Jack Smith will be more successful than MuellerTime and the p0rn lawyer Avenatti.

I will however, enjoy watching the KLANtifa leftists cry again when things don't go the way they thought they would, again.
 
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Here's the thing:
The US Declaration of Independence, the Preamble, allows for the People to take back the Government for the People in the event the Government no longer represents the People, becomes Authoritarian, Abuses it's Authority, goes against the People, stuff like that, with the 2nd Amendment being a means for the People to do so.
the declaration isn't the constitution. the declaration is not a binding contract, it's political theory. the constitution says you can't overthrow the US gov.
 

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People wholly unbothered by Trump policies hoping he goes to jail for the 4th time. Don't you want to be like them?

People wholly unbothered by anything Trump does are not the same ones that want him to go to jail for the 4th time, so which of the two are you asking if one wants to be like? Those unbothered by Trump policies, or the ones wanting him to go to jail?
 

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the declaration isn't the constitution. the declaration is not a binding contract, it's political theory. the constitution says you can't overthrow the US gov.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, –That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
 
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still not a legally binding contract. go read the bill of rights and all of the articles of the constitution and show me where it is legal to foment an insurrection or commit sedition. remember, we have a LEGAL system, not a JUSTICE system.

the declaration of independence was basically "fuck you Britain we are making our own country", and the constitution is "here is our new countries government and base laws".
 

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People wholly unbothered by anything Trump does are not the same ones that want him to go to jail for the 4th time, so which of the two are you asking if one wants to be like? Those unbothered by Trump policies, or the ones wanting him to go to jail?

Show us where Trump hurt you?
 

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Show us where Trump hurt you?
Not sure why you support Trump so much. Bet you believe that Trump had every "Right" to grab the Classified Documents, right? Saying he could Declassify whatever he wanted, even without a Process to do so? Another Country's Defensive abilities, Classified Information on another Country's Citizen? This is not a Dictatorship.
By the way, I could care less about Trump or Biden, so dont start on that crap. This Country is supposed to be our "Leaders" representing The People, not themselves and their own Interests.

Speaking of which, @omgcat - So you are saying the Idiots in Office, and our own Government can just strip our Rights when they want, and say to hell with the People, and we should just bend over and take it? I dont think so. The Declaration lays the foundation, so that, not only for us, but if ANYONE in another Country, not just our own, comes to the realization that the Government is Abusive, overreaching their Authority, going against the People, then The People have the Right, and should have the means to take back their Government, so they can be better Represented, and make the Country work for them, as it should.
 

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So you can't even answer your own question that made no sense in the first place. Just some stupid deflection that makes even less sense. Seems like I hurt you.

It was rhetorical and makes sense.

Not sure why you support Trump so much.

It's not in support of Trump that I am so irreverent of the same chorus that has occupied the news space for nearly a decade, without any positive movement.

It leaves me curious how individuals, here, have been personally affected by Trump.*
 
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Not sure why you support Trump so much. Bet you believe that Trump had every "Right" to grab the Classified Documents, right? Saying he could Declassify whatever he wanted, even without a Process to do so? Another Country's Defensive abilities, Classified Information on another Country's Citizen? This is not a Dictatorship.
Every other president was allowed to take classified documents. Why is Trump different? Can you show where in the law it says that the president is not the ultimate declass authority.

Keeping documents classified creates a dictatorship. The less we know about our government, the more dictatorial it becomes. Trump was declassing documents during his entire term and the DOJ fought him every inch of the way. How does any government agency have authority over the president if all executive branch employees serve at the pleasure of the president and can be fired by him for any reason?
By the way, I could care less about Trump or Biden, so dont start on that crap. This Country is supposed to be our "Leaders" representing The People, not themselves and their own Interests.

Speaking of which, @omgcat - So you are saying the Idiots in Office, and our own Government can just strip our Rights when they want, and say to hell with the People, and we should just bend over and take it? I dont think so. The Declaration lays the foundation, so that, not only for us, but if ANYONE in another Country, not just our own, comes to the realization that the Government is Abusive, overreaching their Authority, going against the People, then The People have the Right, and should have the means to take back their Government, so they can be better Represented, and make the Country work for them, as it should.
The left don't even understand the oath that every government employee, military and law enforcement take. To defend the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Last I checked, the government qualifies as a domestic entity that is constantly attacking the Constitution. Just look at the DHS/FBI actually paying Twitter to censor people's voices and attacking their 1st Amendment rights.

Leftists, please pay attention to the following:

The oath does not say to defend the US government or a state government. It states to defend the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic. If private companies can not infringe on our Constitutional rights, guess who that leaves? Federal and state governments. With many quotes from multiple Founders who wrote the Constitution say that it is our civic duty to keep our governments in check, it is obviously clear what is expected of the citizenry.
 

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The oath does not say to defend the US government or a state government. It states to defend the Constitution from enemies foreign and domestic
Newsflash: Trumpo and his capitol 6 followers are domestic enemies.
Keeping documents classified creates a dictatorship.
Hot WOKE take!
Every other president was allowed to take classified documents. Why is Trump different? Can you show where in the law it says that the president is not the ultimate declass authority
Can you show in the law where it says the president IS the ultimate declass authority?
 
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