Hacking ISO loading and piracy...

[shredman]

this iso loading nonsense i getting way out of control........

nintendo is a company that has, ever since the big boys came to town (sony,microsoft...),
been punching well above its weight division. I for one was glad that a company like Nintendo
had made such a stunning comeback. It defies belief that a company languishing in 3rd place last
gen could now dominate the industry.

i would argue for nintendo's very own survival - it needed this kind of turnaround in order to
keep potential suitors away from trying to swallow up the company in a takeover - or essentially
marginalising it.

already we can see that nintendo struck gold with its new interactive control mechanism - the money
that nintendo is currently 'printing' with wii and ds will set it up to compete in an ever more expensive
industry in the next gen...

should we as gamers decide that we would rather kill nintendo's income stream than buy their games and
support them - i think that eventually we will see nintendo's demise sooner rather than later

iso loaders do nothing but encourage piracy

before anyone points out to me that piracy is not that bad and actual losses are really unattribuable
due to an inability to quantify how much is actually lost - ie how many pirates would actually have bought
the games they copied/downloaded...

the music industry is proof that the ease of piracy does nothing to actually put money into the pockets of
artists... for example....in our lifetime we will never see another thriller album (as a piece of trivia - artists
make their money these days by touring....)

homebrew and piracy tread a fine line that sometimes cross over one another but I would rather see
nintendo bring some of their videogaming joy to the world than be subject to a video game industry
bereft of nintendo and full of nothing but darl reality and realism - i like my mushrooms

and warp
pipes - go karting and innocent dungeon crawling adventure games

so,
if the iso loader works...

RIP nintendo

SHREDMAN

 

[King Zargo]

My thoughts exactly.

 

[djprotoss]

this iso loading nonsense i getting way out of control........
I agree, it does seem to be somewhat dominating the topics regarding the wii, but
QUOTE(shredman @ Sep 16 2008, 08:31 AM) so,
if the iso loader works...

RIP nintendo

SHREDMAN

You mean RIP nintendo in the same way it doesn't make any money out of the DS since flashcarts came out?
I'm not convinced. In practical terms, a working iso loader (one which somehow avoids being disabled by firmware updates) will only get used by a small (if significant) propotion of all the wii owners. For one thing, remember the target demographic for the wii is much, much wider than the traditional gamer types, and I can't see many people outside of the geeks who will use such a thing.

 

[skedone]

lol people piracy has NEVER NEVER killed a console in fact during a resent study showed that piracy has a loss of 0.001 % in sales so how could it even be the coarse of a console downfall. i could go in to this more but i wont. lets just say i run a website dealing with all this (r-force.org_ if anyone wants a look and find out what i mean .

 

[maggot666]

PS2 rip with hd loader, memor32, swap disk etc.? NO

 

[Joewolf2]

I agree will skedone, piracy never killed a console. Heck it can even make the sales better.

One example is the PSP when Dark_alex made his open edition firmware, that the PSP started to sell like hot cakes.

 

[Seraph]

It makes me laugh when I see topics like these...do people think there are that many pirates out there? And if it was enough to kill Nintendo, wouldn't Nintendo be doing more to stop people that are already pirating? Although there is probably a bit more pirates on the DS due to the crappy R4 and everyone telling everyone about it. Ones that probably haven't pirated games before the R4, which they still buy today.

 

[linkinworm]

there are those of us that legit backup games, as i shown in my videos, mario and zelda

 

[Wabsta]

I think the same way.
Dreamcast anyone?

This could be the end of nintendo you know...

 

[deadrabbit]

Nintendo has done the unthinkable and sold its product to a completely untapped demographic - the casual user and the technophobe. These guys (and kids and parents etc) are not entertaining piracy, they are happily lining the pockets of Nintendo. At any on time a torrent tracker has a few thousand people on it, in the grand scheme of things the loss via piracy is far outweighed by legitimate consumers.
Besides that, the majority of pirates have a modchip - a soft mod solution such as the ISO loader will have a small set of adopters, maybe the few who are not able to solder the chips themselves (and the like) but are still within the community.

NB- People keep mentioning the Dreamcast, but you forget that the system just starting becoming a success story before it was abandoned - the take up was just too little too late. By the time it got good third party backing SEGA had already decided to close its hardware wing of operations to cut its losses (it was an expensive bit of kit to build - like the ps3 today).

 

[Jacobeian]

bullshit, the DS is easily and highly pirated and still bring lot of money to Nintendo

no, what cause a company/console to disappear is:

1/ the lack of appealing games
2/ the lack of hype

the wii is hype and will eventually die because of those crappy games coming out from everywhere, not from a poor backup or iso loader used by 5% of consumers

More over, a big part of the Wii audience is composed by other people than geeks or "hardcore"gamer like we found on the internet, they just buy the games and don't feel the need (if they even have the knowledge it's possible) to "try" all the isos that come out of the web like the average gbatemper will do !

 

[_CARLOX_]

You know, it's been soo easy to pirate games on the PS2 (backups and isos) and the freaking console keeps selling, there are even some games coming out for it.

Did piracy killed the PS2?

Clearly it was the winner last generation and it refuses to die.

Maybe something like that could happen to Wii.

 

[deadrabbit]

You know, it's been soo easy to pirate games on the PS2 (backups and isos) and the freaking console keeps selling, there are even some games coming out for it.

Did piracy killed the PS2?

Clearly it was the winner last generation and it refuses to die.

Maybe something like that could happen to Wii.

No the PS3 killed the PS2! (Sony have just spent their nine years worth of profits to get the PS3 to this point!)

Source

 

[spinal_cord]

3/ the lack of fanboys.

The sony playstation did far better after cheap cd burners came onto the market, the dreamcast however failed because nobody wanted one, nothing to do with piracy.

 

[Hpzone]

I don't really understand all the problems. They're really lacking at producing some decent games, and most producers are really producing sh*t. Also, regions are damn annoying, since almost every game takes a couple of months to hit Europe. For me personally, I haven't had more fun playing on the Wii after I modded it.

I think Nintendo (and the most other producers) can thank theirselfs for all the people like me who don't want to waste any more money on crappy games. They threw in their on windows. I've happened to have more than fourty pirated games, and not even five of them where even worth the DVD. No wonder people look forward to piracy, it's not worth the money. So it might just hit the company and the producers, but it's their own fault.

My two cents...

 

[Edgedancer]

For anyone that thought that piracy killed the Dreamcast, that is not entirely true. It had horrible 3rd party support. Even EA steered clear of it and we all know how much they like money. The only good games really came from first or second parties.

 

[teonintyfive]

You mean RIP nintendo in the same way it doesn't make any money out of the DS since flashcarts came out?
I'm not convinced. In practical terms, a working iso loader (one which somehow avoids being disabled by firmware updates) will only get used by a small (if significant) propotion of all the wii owners. For one thing, remember the target demographic for the wii is much, much wider than the traditional gamer types, and I can't see many people outside of the geeks who will use such a thing.

You have to BUY flashcards.

 

[mcj]

This isn't the end of Nintendo. Show me some hard facts that piracy killed any system. Dreamcast died due to lack of support by 3rd party publishers.

Sorry to flame, but you have no clue what you are talking about.

 

[rainrix]

You're afraid it's the end of Mario Games, don't worry if Nintendo disappear, Mario will show up on the PS3 and the XBOX, just like Sonic. BWAHAHAHAHAA.

 

[hollowtip]

For anyone that thought that piracy killed the Dreamcast, that is not entirely true. It had horrible 3rd party support. Even EA steered clear of it and we all know how much they like money. The only good games really came from first or second parties.

Well, the Dreamcast never had a large user base to begin with as well. After the Saturn, Sega's reputation really suffered, and the casual and moderate crowd didn't want to own a shitty system. Of course it wasn't a shitty console, but past failures with the Sega CD, 32X, and the Saturn made it hard for people to believe that this was going to be a console that had a large library of awesome titles. The Dreamcast had a good start out of the gate because of the hardcore and game industry enthusiasts, but it never caught on to the mainstream. You could say piracy killed the Dreamcast and have a legitimate argument, but it was on shaky ground to begin with because of it's reputation, shitball third party support, and shallow pockets. In other words, piracy sure as hell wasn't the only factor that caused the Dreamcast to fall.

As for the loader news and the Nintendo wii's potential demise:

Anyone that thinks on either extreme - meaning it's going to "kill" the Wii or increase game sales - is absurd. With that being said, any workaround that allows the bypassing of security measures to prevent illegitimate software to boot is bad news for software sales. Any argument you come up with that claims otherwise goes against simple common sense. Whether you want to believe it or not, a large portion of people that are going to use this loader would buy a lot of the games they end up downloading or ripping because of this development. But on the other hand (and what a lot of people have already mentioned) there isn't going to be a large percentage of people that are going to fumble through the necessary steps to make working backups. After all, much of the wii's user base is made up of casual gamers (which again, a lot of you already have mentioned) that aren't going to bother with the hassle with installing the homebrew channel and patching their Isos. But we'll have to wait and see how easy the process actually is.

People are getting way too over dramatic about how this is going to impact the big N and the industry in general. Nintendo is too invested in the console (you couldn't say the same about Sega and the Dreamcast) to let it just "die," and the user base and backing of the console is too large to erode completely.