Gaming Is the DS doomed?

[Panzer Tacticer]

Civilization is due out next month. Yeeeeeeehhhaaaaawwwwww

Hey not all of us give a rat's ass for playing with a pretend guitar hehe

Age of Mythology is in the works, and that's major fun.

I know of a couple of other true military sims under development as well.

And if your "favs" were as good as mine are, you'd still be playing them wouldnya

Simcity
Panzer Tactics
Steel Horizon
Age of Empires

Some games never stop performing.

 

[concealed identi]

Wow, I can't believe how worked up some people are getting in this thread

I think there's definitely a lot of good games left for the DS, but I think it'll be viewed in the future as a great idea that wasn't taken advantage of. I'm sure future handhelds will implement the touch screen or double-screen in some way, and in that way the DS will be very revolutionary, but I think it'll be viewed somewhat as a disappointment in that it wasn't used to its potential for the most part.

Also, I think piracy has had a big effect on the DS's software library, since 1) it's probably the most pirated system in history, and 2) it's skewed sales towards the market that actually buys games, which are parents and less tech-savvy adults. So when most of your sales are coming from educational software and games bought for kids, you're going to see a larger focus on developing and releasing this kind of software.

 

[Private|Par]

Panzer, you just reminded me about Civilization. Sweet... If there's download play, I can see that almost over-taking Halo at my parties.

 

[phenixz]

1) it's probably the most pirated system in history

Hi,
Personally I think that it's the PSP which is the more pirated system. Since not long ago, you didn't really need to buy something to use 'homebrew' on it. And (for the period being), it's the most selling handled system in Japan.
So is the PSP also doom?

And for the subject, these months are really slow and not a lot of games : Yes ... but I think there're really some good games so few 'shovelware' and more good games, what to ask more?

 

[concealed identi]

1) it's probably the most pirated system in history

Hi,
Personally I think that it's the PSP which is the more pirated system. Since not long ago, you didn't really need to buy something to use 'homebrew' on it. And (for the period being), it's the most selling handled system in Japan.
So is the PSP also doom?

And for the subject, these months are really slow and not a lot of games : Yes ... but I think there're really some good games so few 'shovelware' and more good games, what to ask more?

Yeah, but the PSP has had all of the firmware updates / anti-piracy / bricking issues. It might not be difficult for a teenaged computer geek, but I think most people aren't up to scouring the internet trying to find out which version of the PSP is compatible with which firmware and how to load it properly without bricking it. Whereas I've met a huge number of people with DS flashcarts, which for the most part is just drag-and-drop.

I've met tons of 8-12-year-old kids with flashcarts and see people on the subway all the time with them...I doubt there's so many like that with PSP.

I read a statistic at some point that predicted how many DS owners also have a flash cart, and it was a really high percentage...but I don't want to bring it into the discussion since I don't know it in detail and have no idea what techniques they used to arrive at that conclusion.

 

[Pimpmynintendo]

1) it's probably the most pirated system in history

Hi,
Personally I think that it's the PSP which is the more pirated system. Since not long ago, you didn't really need to buy something to use 'homebrew' on it. And (for the period being), it's the most selling handled system in Japan.
So is the PSP also doom?

And for the subject, these months are really slow and not a lot of games : Yes ... but I think there're really some good games so few 'shovelware' and more good games, what to ask more?

Yeah, but the PSP has had all of the firmware updates / anti-piracy / bricking issues. It might not be difficult for a teenaged computer geek, but I think most people aren't up to scouring the internet trying to find out which version of the PSP is compatible with which firmware and how to load it properly without bricking it. Whereas I've met a huge number of people with DS flashcarts, which for the most part is just drag-and-drop.

I've met tons of 8-12-year-old kids with flashcarts and see people on the subway all the time with them...I doubt there's so many like that with PSP.

I read a statistic at some point that predicted how many DS owners also have a flash cart, and it was a really high percentage...but I don't want to bring it into the discussion since I don't know it in detail and have no idea what techniques they used to arrive at that conclusion.

I don't think it is necessarily fair to go by total numbers if we are doing this. It should probably be percentage-wise since a lot more people own DS's so a lot more people probably do pirate them but if we did this percentage-wise PSP hands down. Also it isn't that hard to find out on the internet how to put custom firmware on a psp.

 

[Raestloz]

Yeah, I heard PSP used DVD-like thing as its game cart, just smaller. I wonder how PSP owners get their games? PSP games are about 700 MBs (I tried to download a Crash Bandicoot for my friend, and when I saw the filesize is 1,5 GB I said:"Just try to find it yourself, OK?"). While NDS Flashcarts utilized microSDs, which are very easy to use, PSP owners used those DVDs (what was its name again? U-something) I wonder how they play those ISOs?

 

[Joe88]

Yeah, I heard PSP used DVD-like thing as its game cart, just smaller. I wonder how PSP owners get their games? PSP games are about 700 MBs (I tried to download a Crash Bandicoot for my friend, and when I saw the filesize is 1,5 GB I said:"Just try to find it yourself, OK?"). While NDS Flashcarts utilized microSDs, which are very easy to use, PSP owners used those DVDs (what was its name again? U-something) I wonder how they play those ISOs?

the PSP uses UMD's (Universal Media Disk)

ISO's are fairly easy to obtain
I have over 34 DVD+R (4.3GB) full of just PSP ISO's

there run off the built in memory card, the memory stick, I think the most is 16GB it out right now, but not sure
anyway I have 4GB, works fine for my needs, 1GB was too small

the only thing you really have to supply your self is the USB cable, I had 3 already that fit the PSP
1 from a camera, a mp3 player, and a cybiko xtreme
so I never had to buy anything extra besides the memory

 

[Raestloz]

Yeeeaaahhhh. That's it! UMD!

So, PSPs got memory cards too? That explains a lot, I thought you have to burn every game into your UMD, which is a hell. And I never heard of an UMD burner either, only CD/DVD/Blu-Rays

 

[Joe88]

lol, only one can dream about a UMD buner

anyway, just buy something like this
http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-SDMSPD-4096-...4711&sr=8-4
and just insert it into the PSP

good thing about it is you never have to remove it since the PSP acts like a memory stick reader and writer when USB mode it turned on in the PSP menu

 

[concealed identi]

No matter which system is pirated more, it doesn't change my original point that I used it for...so it doesn't really matter, anyway. I did say 'probably,' but apart from that, if it happened to be the 2nd most-pirated system, it wouldn't change my point at all.

 

[Raestloz]

Now all my questions are answered, thanks!

My buddy wanted to buy a PSP, although I asked him to buy an NDS so we can play together, he said he want to complete me so I have NDS, he got PSP,and we can play each of the console

All this time I wonder what the hell is my friend doing with his PSP

 

[shakirmoledina]

never will the DS die as the GBA is also doing pretty okay

 

[Raestloz]

Sadly GBA will not be supported with the force it needs. NDS game is still pouring like water from a waterfall, but the last GAB game was Yggdra Union, and it's a few months ago

 

[PW1337]

The DS isn't doomed gamewise, there is still so much to come out, I would say it's getting slower, especially this last 2 months, but it's just that. If you say that the DS is doomed because of the lack good games this month, then compare that to the PSP, there aren't any good games for it recently. Let's just wait for E3.

 

[Panzer Tacticer]

Wow, I can't believe how worked up some people are getting in this thread

I think there's definitely a lot of good games left for the DS, but I think it'll be viewed in the future as a great idea that wasn't taken advantage of. I'm sure future handhelds will implement the touch screen or double-screen in some way, and in that way the DS will be very revolutionary, but I think it'll be viewed somewhat as a disappointment in that it wasn't used to its potential for the most part.

Also, I think piracy has had a big effect on the DS's software library, since 1) it's probably the most pirated system in history, and 2) it's skewed sales towards the market that actually buys games, which are parents and less tech-savvy adults. So when most of your sales are coming from educational software and games bought for kids, you're going to see a larger focus on developing and releasing this kind of software.

You might even be correct (about the DS being the most pirated).
But let's keep in mind, that while every DS game can likely find a few sales, and while plenty like my believed Panzer Tactics is never going to be a major big time hit (which is just wrong

), the simple truth is, most Nintendo DS games are utter crap to the majority.
Actually a large dose of DS games are just utter crap to anyone with common sense.

Not that Nintendo making "great" games would make them any less easy to pirate. But I sure would feel a bit better about buying impulse DS games if the ratio of shit to decent titles wasn't so shifted in favour of the garbage.

 

[phenixz]

Yeah, but the PSP has had all of the firmware updates / anti-piracy / bricking issues. It might not be difficult for a teenaged computer geek, but I think most people aren't up to scouring the internet trying to find out which version of the PSP is compatible with which firmware and how to load it properly without bricking it. Whereas I've met a huge number of people with DS flashcarts, which for the most part is just drag-and-drop.

I've met tons of 8-12-year-old kids with flashcarts and see people on the subway all the time with them...I doubt there's so many like that with PSP.

Yes but not that's because you look at last generation of flashcard (in DS Slot) which aren't so old.
Because before between the passtrhu and other 'not so well written' conversion program and with all the abscond parameters, it wasn't so easy to use (but more fun! )

QUOTE(concealed identity @ Jun 13 2008, 07:37 AM) I read a statistic at some point that predicted how many DS owners also have a flash cart, and it was a really high percentage...but I don't want to bring it into the discussion since I don't know it in detail and have no idea what techniques they used to arrive at that conclusion.

Sorry but that kind of statistics always makes me laugh ... If you listen to the industry of (Games/Musics/Films/...), they always loose million of billion of million of (choose your currency) due to the EVIL pirate's. And despite that, it's one of the best year for Nitendo ... go figure!

 

[concealed identi]

Yeah, but the PSP has had all of the firmware updates / anti-piracy / bricking issues. It might not be difficult for a teenaged computer geek, but I think most people aren't up to scouring the internet trying to find out which version of the PSP is compatible with which firmware and how to load it properly without bricking it. Whereas I've met a huge number of people with DS flashcarts, which for the most part is just drag-and-drop.

I've met tons of 8-12-year-old kids with flashcarts and see people on the subway all the time with them...I doubt there's so many like that with PSP.

Yes but not that's because you look at last generation of flashcard (in DS Slot) which aren't so old.
Because before between the passtrhu and other 'not so well written' conversion program and with all the abscond parameters, it wasn't so easy to use (but more fun! )

Why would the fact that there was a time when it wasn't so widely pirated even matter? My point is that it's easy to pirate NOW. If anything, that would help my point, since there seemed to be a lot more high-class titles coming out then.


Either way, my point is that the demographics that AREN'T pirating DS games (people buying education software and buying games for kids) en masse skews sales for those demographics, especially when those demographics are arguably the largest for the DS as it is. I'm not trying to turn this into a lecture about why pirating is bad, but instead just state what I think the reality of the situation is.

 

[SleepingDragon]

Band Brothers alone keeps the DS from being "doomed", not to mention several other quality titles that can only be done on the DS.

 

[arjuna]

I live in the Philippines and I say the DS there is practically dead. Dead coz the sales of the DS on the open and black market is null. But don't get me wrong though I think the DS is a great handheld. I have one and planning to buy another one for my wife. I also have a supercard rumble, which I purchased with my DS lite. I love Nintendo for moving away from the standard controller and standard games. XX/YY was a funny adult game, Metroid Hunter was great alternative to standard FPS games, and Elite Beat agents was definetly a blast. I think that the DS overall is doing great, on top of its game but sooner or later without games that used more interactiveness except GH: On Tour, it'll die. Because the DS I guess is more geared towards being more "FUN" than "HARDCORE."
By the way I have the following games this month: FF: Revenant wings, Professor Layton, TWEWY and Zelda. I know, kinda late for me to have these games, I got hooked by MMO's. LOL!
I also have GH coming through mail...