Hello all, except noobs (please, if you aren't 100% sure what the f*8k you're talking about, don't answer, thanks, reduce the noise, k?) Does anyone know exactly what to look for in the version information when looking at the IOSes already installed on one's Wii? I've yet to see a definitive answer to this question. I prefer Title_Lister to check my IOS versions because it seems to have more information, but if you use Any Title Deleter and know which revisions are new and which are pre-System Menu 3.3, I'd like to know. Personally, I think I got the new versions of IOS30 and IOS31 that came out June 16, 2008 with System Menu 3.3 (version 1). However, I since downgraded using cIOS downgrader (to install Starfall). I didn't install the Oct. 23 update, I used the custom IOS51 installer and Shop Channel fix instead. I don't need fake-signed discs right now, but I may someday. Thanks!