If Guaido is recognized as a legitimate president of Venezuela, why not Hillary for America?

[KingVamp]

On the bright side, states representing 32% of electoral college votes have passed legislation to eliminate the electoral college altogether. If that number reaches 50%, electoral college goes bye bye and people's votes can start mattering again.

Not sure how I feel about this. What problems could come up, if the electoral college goes away?

 

[tatripp]

I dunno, maybe ask Trump. He's the one recognizing the opposition in Venezuela. He wants to send troops down there too. The only purpose seems to be using it as another distraction from his problems at home.

Yeah, because overthrowing a dictator that drove a country that should be wealth into complete poverty isn't a good thing.
I haven't heard him say anything about sending troops. I thought it was all economic.

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Not sure how I feel about this. What problems could come up, if the electoral college goes away?

Don't worry about it. It is 100% unconstitutional and will be rightfully struck down by the supreme court.

 

[Xzi]

Yeah, because overthrowing a dictator that drove a country that should be wealth into complete poverty isn't a good thing.
I haven't heard him say anything about sending troops. I thought it was all economic.

There's a lot of oil interests in South America, and John Bolton (Trump's National Security adviser) had "5,000 troops to Columbia" written on a notepad recently.

Don't worry about it. It is 100% unconstitutional and will be rightfully struck down by the supreme court.

Amendments can, should, and have been made to the constitution. If it's passed by states representing more than half of electoral college votes, then there's no choice but to take up the issue on a national level at that point. I don't see how it's unconstitutional to begin with anyway, the constitution says nothing about eliminating the electoral college AFAIK. It's literally just one step in making the entire process more democratic.

Not sure how I feel about this. What problems could come up, if the electoral college goes away?

No issues that I can think of which aren't already inherent to the system. It just equalizes the vote so that people in big cities don't count less than rural voters.

 

[EmanueleBGN]

The "democratic" Countries don't love democracy and elections. They want governments pro-usa, "the goods".
Another question: why Maduro should go away because he's a "dictator" but no one say the same about Macron who has a revolution since December?

 

[sarkwalvein]

The "democratic" Countries don't love democracy and elections. They want governments pro-usa, "the goods".
Another question: why Maduro should go away because he's a "dictator" but no one say the same about Macron who has a revolution since December?

Macron is not a dictator, he's a legitimate democratically elected president with a not so good public image that quite probably will go away when his mandate ends due to the people being able to vote him away. Unlike Maduro.
It's not a good analogy.

There are many examples of true dictatorships or human rights breaking regimes supported by the West if you want to pick one, e.g. just look at Saudi Arabia.

 

[Xzi]

Very tolerant and relevant as well! This is how we do it in our great democratic community. Next in line, please! Try not mentioning the state who least uses food stamps this time and keep attacking bad orange man

I didn't say anything about food stamps. Those states are still a net drain on the economy because they don't produce jack shit, and they're a wasteland culturally. Also, I don't see a good reason to be tolerant of people actively damaging the country with their ignorance. We've got maybe ten years to right the ship, or this country won't last another fifty. Certainly no time to be suffering fools.

 

[Deleted User]

Wont be allowed

 

[Whole lotta love]

Venezuela has a more secure and transparent electoral system than we do, which is why the last election was certified fair by over 1500 election watchdogs.


This is very clearly about getting Venezuela's oil.

 

[sarkwalvein]

Venezuela has a more secure and transparent electoral system than we do, which is why the last election was certified fair by over 1500 election watchdogs.

Bullshit.

 

[Whole lotta love]

Bullshit.

Forbes - Venezuelas Election System Holds Up As a Model for the World
https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbes...lds-up-as-a-model-for-the-world/#16fa9b5771e2

and source on the international observers declaring Maduro's most recent election fair:
http://journalcontent.mediatheoryjournal.org/index.php/mt/article/view/65/56

 

[sarkwalvein]

This is very clearly about getting Venezuela's oil.

There are no angels in this world. If foreigners get involved is because they have their own reasons, both those supporting the regime and those against it: Russia, China, the EU, South America (this one mainly an economical and refugee crisis).

 

[barronwaffles]

I didn't say anything about food stamps. Those states are still a net drain on the economy because they don't produce jack shit, and they're a wasteland culturally. Also, I don't see a good reason to be tolerant of people actively damaging the country with their ignorance. We've got maybe ten years to right the ship, or this country won't last another fifty. Certainly no time to be suffering fools.

Woah, calm down Hitler.

 

[Xzi]

Woah, calm down Hitler.

Exactly like Hitler, if Hitler wanted Medicare for all, tuition-free college, and much greater investment in green energy. The lunacy of the right-wing is that they've somehow convinced themselves that these are bad things. Probably because the right-wing is reduced to nothing but contrarianism at this point; they have no real ideas or policy platforms of their own.

 

[Whole lotta love]

There are no angels in this world. If foreigners get involved is because they have their own reasons, both those supporting the regime and those against it: Russia, China, the EU, South America (this one mainly an economical and refugee crisis).

What a terrible justification for imperialism.

 

[Demon27248]

does this question really have to be asked. Hillary ran a shit campaign. She and her media thought it was gonna be handed to her on a silver plate. Trumps presidency is legit. As for Venezuela, the current leader made bad decisions that all but destroyed the country. They have so much oil but the leader had to be a bloody socialist and screw the people. It is no wonder why the people dont want that jack ass.

Funny then how they overwhelmingly voted for him. If news reports of some rowdy protests from a minority of the population is evidence of popular discontent, then you've convinced me all Americans actually really hate Trump despite him also winning a majority of the vote.

Also, if a completely unelected, pro-West, 'democratic socialist' coup leader is more legitimate than any person that actually participated in the presidential election, then you might as well recognise Bernie as the interim president of the US. I'm pretty sure everyone on reddit really wants him to be. And that's a good representation of the rest of the country right? Right?

 

[barronwaffles]

Exactly like Hitler, if Hitler wanted Medicare for all, tuition-free college, and much greater investment in green energy. The lunacy of the right-wing is that they've somehow convinced themselves that these are bad things. Probably because the right-wing is reduced to nothing but contrarianism at this point; they have no real ideas or policy platforms of their own.

You really, really don't know anything about how the Nazis rose to power - do you?

 

[Xzi]

You really, really don't know anything about how the Nazis rose to power - do you?

I was describing myself there, not Hitler. I thought I made that pretty obvious.

 

[barronwaffles]

I was describing myself there, not Hitler. I thought I made that pretty obvious.

Oh, cool - so exactly like Hitler then.

When are we liquidating the 'cultural wasteland' ?

 

[Xzi]

Oh, cool - so exactly like Hitler then.

When are we liquidating the 'cultural wasteland' ?

I also thought you were being sarcastic with that initial comment. Kind of an outdated meme at this point to call anybody you disagree with Hitler, don't you think?

I said nothing about 'liquidation' or 'cleansing' or other such nonsense. Red states are free to make bad decisions for themselves and continue wasting away as they always have, as long as they recognize that they are in the minority and the the rest of the country will continue to make progress whether they're on board or not.

 

[barronwaffles]

I also thought you were being sarcastic with that initial comment. Kind of an outdated meme at this point to call anybody you disagree with Hitler, don't you think?

I also said nothing about 'liquidation' or 'cleansing' or other such nonsense. Red states are free to make bad decisions for themselves and continue wasting away as they always have, as long as they recognize that they are in the minority and the the rest of the country will continue to make progress whether they're on board or not.

Bro I'm not memeing on anyone - I'm actually in awe at how nonchalant you are when it comes to disenfranchising massive portions of society that you find undesirable. Mad props.

 

[Demon27248]

I also thought you were being sarcastic with that initial comment. Kind of an outdated meme at this point to call anybody you disagree with Hitler, don't you think?

I said nothing about 'liquidation' or 'cleansing' or other such nonsense. Red states are free to make bad decisions for themselves and continue wasting away as they always have, as long as they recognize that they are in the minority and the the rest of the country will continue to make progress whether they're on board or not.

Sounds like you're advocating secession, or another civil war then.