If Guaido is recognized as a legitimate president of Venezuela, why not Hillary for America?

[Saiyan Lusitano]

The EU and America recognize Juan Guaidó as the President of Venezuela so who's to say Hillary, Nancy Penosi or Chuck Schummer aren't the President of America?

Maduro remains to be the genuine President of Venezuela. Whether people from outside Venezuela like it or not, outsiders should not interfere nor try to claim who's the president. But what's happening? Countries are trying to cause even more chaos, without naming names.

 

[b17bomber]

IT WAS HER TURN

 

[VinsCool]

That's not how it works.

 

[osaka35]

The EU and America recognize Juan Guaidó as the President of Venezuela so who's to say Hillary, Nancy Penosi or Chuck Schummer aren't the President of America?

Maduro remains to be the genuine President of Venezuela. Whether people from outside Venezuela like it or not, outsiders should not interfere nor try to claim who's the president. But what's happening? Countries are trying to cause even more chaos, without naming names.

Do you understand why there might be contention about him being considered President? And how that's different than the US election results and process?

 

[Xzi]

The EU and America recognize Juan Guaidó as the President of Venezuela so who's to say Hillary, Nancy Penosi or Chuck Schummer aren't the President of America?

I dunno, maybe ask Trump. He's the one recognizing the opposition in Venezuela. He wants to send troops down there too. The only purpose seems to be using it as another distraction from his problems at home.

 

[osaka35]

To bring everyone up to speed:

"Maduro—who assumed power in 2013 following the death of his predecessor, Hugo Chávez—put himself forward in 2018 for reelection to a second term. He officially won by an overwhelming margin, but the elections themselves were marred by violence and manipulation, leading most of the international community to reject the results. This created an opening for the National Assembly. In conversation with the United States and other interested parties, it began to explore the possibility of invoking Article 223 of Venezuela’s 1999 constitution, which addresses vacancies in the office of the president by appointing the head of the National Assembly, currently Guaidó, as interim president until elections can be held. The National Assembly invoked this provision shortly thereafter and Guaidó officially accepted on Jan. 23, in front of a mass anti-government demonstration. The Trump administration’s statement of recognition came just hours later, leaving little doubt that the effort was coordinated."

source: https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-does-it-mean-united-states-recognize-juan-guaidó-venezuelas-president

 

[Captain_N]

does this question really have to be asked. Hillary ran a shit campaign. She and her media thought it was gonna be handed to her on a silver plate. Trumps presidency is legit. As for Venezuela, the current leader made bad decisions that all but destroyed the country. They have so much oil but the leader had to be a bloody socialist and screw the people. It is no wonder why the people dont want that jack ass.

 

[Xzi]

Trumps presidency is legit.

I wouldn't go that far. From an outside perspective, the 2016 US election was just as questionable and potentially rigged as Venezuela's election. Almost even worse in a way since Clinton won the popular vote. Rigging the electoral college in a couple states is potentially far easier than rigging the election on a national level.

On the bright side, states representing 32% of electoral college votes have passed legislation to eliminate the electoral college altogether. If that number reaches 50%, electoral college goes bye bye and people's votes can start mattering again.

 

[chrisrlink]

thing is the electoral college is a flawed system that let a biggot into one of the highest positions in the USA i'd say after trump leaves the american people should do massive pressure to lawmakers to undo the EC and make our system popular vote

 

[Joe88]

 

[Xzi]

The wheels of justice turn slowly, but grind exceedingly fine. Right now Mueller has Stone dead to rights on seven charges, word is Trump Jr is next. We might not see a Clinton presidency, but we might see a Pence, McConnell, or Pelosi presidency depending on how many people had their hands in the Russian honeypot. Worst case scenario, Trump's a lame duck for the next two years and he starts another unnecessary war as a last desperate attempt to try to drum up support for re-election. I think, rather I hope that Americans learned something from GWB in that regard and don't fall into the same trap again.

 

[Taleweaver]

They have so much oil but the leader had to be a bloody socialist and screw the people.

You have no idea what socialism means, right?

 

[osaka35]

I wouldn't go that far. From an outside perspective, the 2016 US election was just as questionable and potentially rigged as Venezuela's election. Almost even worse in a way since Clinton won the popular vote. Rigging the electoral college in a couple states is potentially far easier than rigging the election on a national level.

On the bright side, states representing 32% of electoral college votes have passed legislation to eliminate the electoral college altogether. If that number reaches 50%, electoral college goes bye bye and people's votes can start mattering again.

Here's hoping. Next is getting rid of first past the post, making voting registration automatic, making voting days holidays, fixing the campaign finance and nearly every other campaign related system, fixing the revolving-door, etc., etc., etc.

 

[dAVID_]

Trump is not (known to be) an illegitamate president.
On the other hand, Maduro set up dummy elections which were blatantly fake.

 

[sarkwalvein]

Oranges and apples...
Wait, at least oranges and apples are both kind of round. Not a good analogy.

PS: And in the end (and avoiding the USA comparison that really has no place in this because it just doesn't have anything in common)
no matter the "legitimacy" of the thing the "president" (in a quite de-facto way) is the one that holds the power, in this case and at least for the moment still Maduro, but it looks quite flimsy.

PS2: And the only reason he is there is due to external interest, influence and intervention. Venezuela is not a real democracy. If Guaidó gets to be president it will not be a real democracy either, all the democratic processes in the country are broken and adulterated; if this changes it will not be from one day to another, it would be a process requiring decades.

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I wouldn't go that far. From an outside perspective, the 2016 US election was just as questionable and potentially rigged as Venezuela's election. Almost even worse in a way since Clinton won the popular vote. Rigging the electoral college in a couple states is potentially far easier than rigging the election on a national level.

On the bright side, states representing 32% of electoral college votes have passed legislation to eliminate the electoral college altogether. If that number reaches 50%, electoral college goes bye bye and people's votes can start mattering again.

That's not true, it was questionable in some aspects, but it was nothing even similar to what is happening in Venezuela. I would suggest you to read some more about it, a lot, better if you read it in Spanish from South American sources.

This is not mainly an American problem. I know you all love to think of it that way, you say it's just "some circus that Trumps is using to redirect attention from other problems" (and sure it is partly, but it is not only that). The more affected countries in all of this are countries from South America (probably Colombia more than any other), it is a South American problem mainly... It also annoys the USA, Russia, China, the EU, etc., foreigners with assets or interests in the region.

 

[Xzi]

This is not mainly an American problem. I know you all love to think of it that way, you say it's just "some circus that Trumps is using to redirect attention from other problems" (and sure it is partly, but it is not only that). The more affected countries in all of this are countries from South America (probably Colombia more than any other), it is a South American problem mainly... It also annoys the USA, Russia, China, the EU, etc., foreigners with assets or interests in the region.

We're basically saying the same thing. I meant that it's a foreign matter that Trump is getting involved in to distract from domestic issues. Not that it was primarily an American problem or American-manufactured.

 

[bodefuceta]

Yes! Good boy, you know orange man bad. Two extra food stamps deposited in your account

 

[Xzi]

Yes! Good boy, you know orange man bad. Two extra food stamps deposited in your account

Would be funny if blue states weren't footing the bill for all these do-nothing red states. The economy is dependent on California and New York, not so much on Bumfuck Methtown in Kentucky or Wyoming.

 

[bodefuceta]

Would be funny if blue states weren't footing the bill for all these do-nothing red states. The economy is dependent on California and New York, not so much on Bumfuck Methtown in Kentucky or Wyoming.

Very tolerant and relevant as well! This is how we do it in our great democratic community. Next in line, please! Try not mentioning the state who least uses food stamps this time and keep attacking bad orange man

 

[SagaP]

Maduro is not a legitimate president, he kick out the parliament and made one of his own, then he called elections with the permission of this fake parliament in which only those who he allow could participate, finally recently he was sworn for presidency on the supreme court, breaking constitutional ruling, because the Oath has to be made in the parliament.
Guaido didn't declare himself president, he is the president o the parliament we elected, and when no president is in charge is the duty of the president of the parliament to take the charge of intern president until fair and democratic elections are held.
This is not a fight of ideologies is a fight against a regime, and we need the external help.