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  1. Madridi
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    Hey guys,

    Well, as the title says, I am looking to build a relatively high end PC for my friend's 17 year old son.

    I have build 3 PC in 2009/2010, the only problem I have now is that I haven't kept up with released CPUs and parts since then so I have no idea what's good or recommended and how they are in terms of compatibility, and I'll be really honest in saying that I don't have much time in my life these days to research them.

    In any case, the budget is huge. Around $3000.. Might be a tiny bit flexible as well.

    Please recommend me a build that is considered relatively high end and future proof. Alternatives for parts would also be appreciated.

    Buying from newegg will not be an option since they don't accept international credit cards/shipped to freight addresses (at least they didn't back in 2009/2010). So I'll be buying mostly everything from Amazon

    Any help would be appreciated. Thanks!

    Thanks!
     
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    Does this 17 year old know computers in any way? If so then in my experience they likely have strong opinions, even if not grounded in reality (because it is shiny, because it is what some youtube type uses.....), on what parts to buy and may even have specced out/made a little wishlist. If so you probably want to loop them in and if necessary explain in detail why something they might have picked is a bad idea.

    Does this $3000 include monitors (a couple of decent 4k displays will drain that very quickly), keyboards (if you are buying something that nice you probably do not want a $5 Dell thing you found on a flea market as much as a nice mechanical keyboard or something, and a mouse to match), speakers (possibly also a sound card as onboard is not necessarily the best, they work fine for my ears but my ears have been subject to power tools, motorbikes and concerts for many years) and such like?
    Video streaming/capture is also popular among the kids these days so do we have to include anything like that? I have not found any external hardware that I like for video capture/streaming outside of the professional and semi professional video world (at the low end things like the atmos ninja series of devices, and at the mid-high world then black magic atem/intensity range), on the other hand video is something I quite like fiddling with and if it is just for PC then https://obsproject.com/ or one of the ones that comes with your graphics card will probably do and for consoles then you can probably just chuck a piece of AVerMedia or Elgato junk their way.

    Parts wise Intel have just dropped their new line of hardware called skylake and by most accounts it is a notable upgrade, and we are also seeing DDR4 appear (some skylake stuff can still use DDR3 but most will be DDR4). Windows 10 has just appeared and newer versions of directX are likely to only appear there, though how much that will trouble things remains to be see (many games had DX9 compatibility for many years after DX10 and even DX11 became a thing not because people were still on XP but because that was what the PS3 and 360 used).
    What I will say is the skylake motherboards I have seen thus far have been terrible if you are used to 2009 era stuff -- said 2009 and older higher end boards were basically the server boards of 3 years prior with a lick of paint and a slight tweak. Today the "high end" boards for skylake at least don't do nice things like dual network ports, tend to be a bit limited on the ports they have and I would be surprised to see many of them still working in a decade. Yeah you put the graphics cards in and play but it is a drop off compared to the older stuff.
    Back in the core2 era stock cooling was great (you could even overclock* on it), core i stuff was not so good but probably could work and skylake is slightly better but probably still wants to be replaced with something else. Whether you want to go for water cooling is a different matter and one you will want to figure out if said 17 year old can be trusted to maintain.
    *oh yeah, overclocking is not really a thing any more. Technically it does exist but you have to think about it and build for it and it is not worth it at all in my opinion.

    USB 3.0 is a properly a thing now (actually USB 3.1 is as well) so you will probably want to account for that in motherboards and cases. It is an actual upgrade over USB2.0 and has fast external hard drives/USB drives that can make great use of it as well as several other things so do not dismiss it.

    Graphics cards themselves... you can go on http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/charts/2015-vga-charts/benchmarks,186.html as well as any of us. As ever the really high end stuff costing twice as much as the thing below will maybe gain you 20% on a good day so do not bother unless you really like burning money. SLI is actually something that kind of works now, not really well enough for me to truly advocate for it but back when it was only good if you wanted 4 monitors and did not want a matrox triple head thing or you wanted to make graphics driver devs cry.

    I seem to recall when we were all discussing the build of yours you refer to we had to consider the power requirements a bit. Things are quite a bit better today but if you do decide to stick three high end graphics cards in a motherboard and in turn drive several massive 4k screens it can get tricky.
     
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    Use pcpartpicker.com pick parts that fit your budget at the lowest prices on the net.

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    Here's a build I made for 2k that does 4K easy at a solid 30-40FPS http://pcpartpicker.com/p/3LhnBm
     
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    The new Skylake series is worth a look when it comes to CPUs. The highest end of those is the 6700K and it has a MSRP of $339 so should fit in the budget.
    As far as GPUs go the GTX 980 (or Ti) is a good future-proof option, SLI them if one is not enough, but stay away from the Titan X as it's simply not worth it. ASUS/MSI make good ones. Those will cost around $500 a piece, or a little more. A single 980 can probably handle 4K gaming pretty well but two of them in SLI should handle anything you throw at them in 4K for the foreseeable future.
     
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    Thanks for the help guys :)

    @Xenon Hacks: I'll check that out, thanks.
    @The Real Jdbye: Thanks for the suggestion, I'll be probably looking into these. I was also looking at the GTX 980 so I'll probably be going with that. I won't be going for SLI thogh. A single card will be more than enough as I understand he is a somewhat of a casual gamer but my friend wants the PC to be future proof as well, hence the complication setting the balance between mid range and high end.
     
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    In my opinion it would be better to spend less on the PC initially, and upgrade it as needed later on. This is because hardware gets better all the time, so a future proof PC won't be future proof for very long, so he would end up with a better PC in the end if he spent maybe $1500-2000 on it now and saved the rest for future upgrades.

    But based on what you are saying I think $3000 is a much larger budget than needed anyway.
     
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    @FAST6191 : nice to see that you remember me. Yes, you were one of the main people to help me with my build. I knew nothing at the time and all info you provided was very helpful and I ended up doing everything myself. Thanks a lot :)

    As for my friends soon, I have never met him before. All I am going with is what my friend (his father) told me. I asked most of the questions you had asked but I mostly got vague answers.

    So, from what I understand. He says he knows stuff, but my friend doesn't trust that. He says it seems like he's talking out of his ass lol, and yes, from what I got, it seemed like he's influenced by what other people have and such.

    Yes, the $3000 will include monitors, keyboards, mouse, case, etc.. But I won't be going for any high end monitor like 4k. I'll probably go with a $200 or so for a 24 inch monitor that's capable of doing 1080p with high refresh rate. That's more than enough in his case. Keyboards and mice might not necessarily be gaming ones. For now I am more concerned about major parts rather than peripherals. Not sure video capturing is his thing, but I would imagine a relatively high end GPU, CPU AND RAM should be enough to take care of that problem. As for soju cards, I'll stick to an on board one (if the motherboard has one to begin with). I don't consider these major parts, these are just preferences.

    Thanks for the info on intel processors. Yeah, I heard that they went down in price (and RAM too), but I haven't been following anything since sandy bridge I believe, so I didn't know what the current trend is.

    What stopped me was the info about motherboards. That's very interesting to read about. So at the time of my build I went with the Asus Rampage III extreme. It was the top of the line and had everything I needed. Is there any motherboard that is somewhat complete as that? Dual network port will not matter in his case. But it would nice to have a motherboard with somewhat rich features.

    What do you mean overclocking is no longer a thing? As in, almost no gain with overclocking? I overclocked my PC (i7-930) from 2.8 to 4.0 stable build.. Couldn't get 4.2 to stabilize. The only thing I needed to buy was a noctua CPU cooler (can't remember the model number but it was the best in the market at the time) with push/pull San Ace fan set up (Again, best fans at the time). My initial thought was to have a similar cooler set up to mine, but water cooler is define toy off the table. It's just the matter of stock, or something specific.

    As for USB 3.0, already had that in mind. For RAM, any particular ones you heard good things about? I remember back when I built my PC, I Remember only particular ones were recommended. Especially tri-channel ones since that was the thing at the time. So I am not sure what to look for now for this build.

    PSU, overkill I know, but at the time I decided to go with Corsair gold certified 1200w PSU for $280 I believe. I thought I'd future proof it since I am throwing lots of money on it anyway. I am wondering if I should do something similar for this build. Is that PSU still the best in the market?

    Thanks again for all your help. I hope I didn't miss anything
     
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    My suggestion is to wait and see how NVIDIA deals with async computing. So far NVIDIA dominates the DX11 market but since you said you want something future proof, you should wait a couple of days until GoW Remasterd comes to PC. It will have DX12 so a bench wont be an issue.
     
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    The thing is, we live in Qatar, and all of these will be imported from the US. In addition to the case, this will definitely be around 50 lb at least. My friend has family studying in the US, so he plans to have it shipped back with them.

    Given this scenario, I am trying to get high end parts in the initial build (especially heavy ones like PSU.. I don't want to buy a 750w for example and then replace it for a 1200w in a couple of years.. Just as an example) and having luxury addons for later (such as specific mouse, keyboard, sound card, additional GPU for SLI, etc..)

    Yeah, $3000 is the budget, but I don't necessarily have to go anywhere close to that.

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    I would've waited, but my friend is looking to give it to him as a graduation gift + a late birthday present (on the 18th).. So apparently waiting is an issue.

    However I don't think I will be ordering it for at least a week until I settle on the parts. So if you do have any news by then please do let me know
     
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    Only the most OP setups with multiple Titans etc. will need a PSU that powerful. That said, it certainly won't hurt to have a more powerful PSU as long as it is a quality one with a good 80 PLUS rating.
     
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    Yeah I know. I haven't made a decision of what I want to go with. I'll do that once I get the parts picked out. Price will also be a factor. I mean if it turns out the difference between the one I pick and this one is something negligible in the budget like $50 or so, then I'll probably go with the high end one in that case. It wouldn't be the case though if the price is, lets say, doubled.

    So yeah I think my main concern right now is the case (I have the cooler master HAF 922 mid tower, great airflow + looks nice. I wonder if there is anything better released in the last few years), CPU, MOBO, RAM, and GPU. I'll add stuff like SSD, HDD, and PSU in later stages
     
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    I have the same case but it does collect dust like crazy, I probably wouldn't go with that case again if I got a second chance.
     
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    Time to go full retard

    PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

    CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0GHz Quad-Core Processor ($359.99 @ NCIX US)
    CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($24.89 @ OutletPC)
    Motherboard: Asus MAXIMUS VIII HERO ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($219.99 @ SuperBiiz)
    Memory: Kingston FURY 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2666 Memory ($112.91 @ Amazon)
    Storage: Samsung 850 Pro Series 512GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($231.89 @ OutletPC)
    Storage: Hitachi Deskstar 7K2000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($72.00 @ Amazon)
    Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 390X 8GB Tri-X Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($399.99 @ Newegg)
    Video Card: Sapphire Radeon R9 390X 8GB Tri-X Video Card (2-Way CrossFire) ($399.99 @ Newegg)
    Case: Fractal Design Define R5 w/Window (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case ($115.99 @ SuperBiiz)
    Power Supply: EVGA 850W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($117.99 @ NCIX US)
    Total: $2055.63
    Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
    Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-09-14 07:41 EDT-0400



    (Still almost $1000 to spare, I guess I could only go so far.)
     
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    Here you go, this configuration will keep him up and running for the next 7 or so years on ultra. I would recommend you an AMD card since its cheaper but since youre not from the US Im recommending something thats more reliable. The particular NVIDIA model is much cooler than the AMD counterpart and it has the 0db technology or whatnot which basically means that the fans will not spin til a certain temperature point. By doing so the fans last longer which is also a plus, and with its architecture it consumes way less power than the competition. As for the storage I put a 500 gb SSD but IMHO thats an absolute overkill 120-250 is more than enough because SSDs are mostly used for system apps and the OS. As for the PSU, you shouldnt have to worry about it since as technology advances newer architectures are being developed which in terms means that they draw less and less power which can be seen in the latest Skylake i7!

    Edit: As for the case I would strongly recommend buying a High tower such as the Storm Trooper for ventilation purposes. Oh and it looks amazing ;)
     
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    Yeah it does. It's my first PC so I have nothing to compare it against. But I assumed any case with good airflow would have the same issue.
    That being said, it never was that bad for me. I clean it out once every year or year and a half, and it's mostly really surface cleaning.
    Any suggestion for an alternative?
     
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    I heard Fractal Design are good. They look nice too.
     
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    Thanks for this. I think the CPU is the one I am going with, and the motherboard seems exactly what I am looking for, and the RAM looks great. SSD is probably this as well or the EVO series. I personally have the pro (although its 256GB)

    Cooler: No way, that still works on LGA1151? I have an additional one I bought since my LGA 1366 set up. It works??
    Storage: Why Hitachi? WD Caviar black served me great over the years. Any particular reason or just a preference?
    Video card: Thanks but I am not going for crossfire or SLI
    Case: Seems bad for airflow.. comments?
    Power supply: I'll keep that in mind. Thanks!
     
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    144Hz 1080p (or something slightly higher resolution but not 4K) refresh rate monitors can probably be had for about the same as 60Hz 4K ones as 4K has dropped pretty drastically in price this last year or so, not to mention I am not convinced of the virtues of 144Hz outside of 3d and first person.

    Motherboards. With skylake stuff coming out then every vendor out there is spamming my inbox with it all, I then went and had a look and was not impressed with what I saw. The older high end motherboards were basically server or workstation grade motherboards but with a slightly lesser warranty and maybe a dropped feature or two that most people that are not building servers or workstations would not care about -- for games I do not care about redundant power supplies, anybody builds me a server without such things and they would probably be fired on the spot. All the skylake stuff I saw reminded me of the old "military spec" joke of "specced high but made by the lowest bidder", or perhaps in this case they let the gaming people have a go at things and the results were predictable -- shiny and with lots of seemingly nice features but I would still rather it had been made by a proper engineer and proven in server/workstation world. Maybe in a few months then some other vendors will get some stuff out there that is more like what I want but right now I would not build a machine I want to last for me, that said even with the later core i motherboards I was not as impressed as the later core 2 stuff. MSI look like they might be onto something but that is still best of a bad bunch for me.

    RAM. Get the fastest bandwidth you can/your motherboard supports. The timings matter so very little. If you buy the cheapest junk there is (but with nice numbers) then expect problems down the line, if you get something halfway reputable then any issues will just be bad luck. I do not know if it will be an option with what is out there but I would not bother with ECC RAM.
    I am not sure what amount of RAM we are suggesting these days (games use a lot but motherboards have somewhat outpaced them -- video and virtual machines can get there very quickly) but above 16 you would want to have a reason.
    RAM is cheap and easy to replace and during the active lifetime (DDR4 is new and probably going to be around for a few years yet) it only tends to go down in price.

    For proper overclocking you will probably have to buy the unlocked processors and boards to match, you can do some minor stuff with lower end gear but these days it is pretty much a game for people with too much money and the gains are far more modest than they ever have been really. Granted I have not properly gone into the skylake overclocking stuff yet (more just keeping aware) but Intel is not in the habit of making it easier for people these last few years. Back in the core2 era it was odd if you did not overclock, older and you were basically leaving lots of performance on the table and even into the earlier core i stuff it was still doable by those that wanted it. As time went on the gains became less and the aggro became more.

    PSU. I would cheap out on most things but this but I am sure you recall all that. I would get a power calculator and try for that -- it might be gold certified but that will be when it is drawing 1200W, if you only end up with 700W of power draw at the most intense point then the efficiency has a nasty habit of dropping.

    Oh and as it had not been mentioned then SSDs are definitely the way forward for this sort of thing. You can get some reasonably sized ones for not a lot right now and if you want to go crazy then some of the PCIe SSDs are blisteringly fast.
     
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    Hitachi is now HGST, owned by Western Digital. They make the hard drives with the lowest failure rate out of all, so on average a HGST/Hitachi drive will last you longer (plus, the DeskStar drives happen to be among the cheapest, so there's no reason not to go with them)
    That build looks good but I would go with a bigger HDD and maybe a more powerful PSU as I'm not sure how well that will handle dual GPUs. I might also have gone with Nvidia instead, not that there's anything wrong with AMD GPUs, they seem to give better bang for your buck most of the time. Nvidia is just slightly ahead when it comes to power consumption and drivers.
    The case is certainly not designed for maximum air flow but stuff like the HAF 922 with massive fans is rather overkill, and the Fractal Design cases seem to be very popular. It should do the job just fine.
     
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    Thanks for this. CPU check, MOBO Check, Storage check.

    RAM: poster above you seems like he had the better option.
    Cooler: Thanks. How is it compared to the Noctua D15 I believe?
    Video card: A bit pricey. I was looking at something in the $400-500 range. Any other suggestion or is this absolutely the best?
    Case: Good point. I assumed I was going with a mid tower. No reason to do that. I'll ask my friend if it matters
    PSU: Seems a bit expensive for a 850w, why not this: http://www.amazon.com/Corsair-HX100..._n_feature_keywords_two_browse-bin:6906988011