Hawaii Government Introduces 4 Bills Regulating The Sale Of Games With Micro-transactions.

Discussion in 'GBAtemp & Scene News' started by Meteor7, Feb 14, 2018.

  1. TotalInsanity4

    TotalInsanity4 GBAtemp Supreme Overlord

    Member
    18
    Dec 1, 2014
    United States
    Under a rock
    That'd be nice, but technically shovelware isn't imminently harmful to anyone and some people do enjoy those games (I guess? I'd assume???)
     
  2. Oakmontowls

    Oakmontowls Member

    Newcomer
    1
    Nov 14, 2016
    United States
    Actually the bill includes this tidbit:
    "Retailer" means any person who offers video games for sale, including resale by the purchaser, through any means, including sales outlets, catalogs, or the Internet.
    It would still be illegal online as well which would force online retailers like steam to enforce age restrictions on the purchase of these games (assuming a system isn't in place already)
     
    TotalInsanity4 likes this.
  3. TotalInsanity4

    TotalInsanity4 GBAtemp Supreme Overlord

    Member
    18
    Dec 1, 2014
    United States
    Under a rock
    Steam already has age restrictions enforced, assuming the account buying has the correct birthday put in
     
  4. Foxi4

    Foxi4 On the hunt...

    pip Reporter
    26
    Sep 13, 2009
    Poland
    Gaming Grotto
    You don't get to decide what other people do with their money - you can tell by how the money is in their wallet, not yours. If they want to squander it on stupid virtual items then that's their choice to make. It's not a "scam", they get exactly what they paid for and it's none of your business. Technically speaking all of gaming is a massive waste of time and money, it's not productive whatsoever, but we're not up in arms about it because guess what, it's fun. For some people spending hundreds of dollars on FIFA points and opening packs is fun, and it's not your place to judge that. If it's not your money, it's not your problem and none of your business.
     
    DarthDub likes this.
  5. TotalInsanity4

    TotalInsanity4 GBAtemp Supreme Overlord

    Member
    18
    Dec 1, 2014
    United States
    Under a rock
    Oh excuse me, let me rephrase that:

    Dang, can't exploit kids' underdeveloped and impressionable minds that react very strongly to the dopamine releases that opening a winning loot box triggers anymore
     
  6. VartioArtel

    VartioArtel Advanced Member

    Newcomer
    2
    Oct 3, 2012
    United States
    If they are Battlefront 2 wouldn't survive even without Lootboxes.
     
  7. Captain_N

    Captain_N GBAtemp Maniac

    Member
    4
    Mar 29, 2010
    United States
    lol this effectively bans every cell phone game....
     
  8. Memoir

    Memoir Just a Memory

    Member
    17
    GBAtemp Patron
    Memoir is a Patron of GBAtemp and is helping us stay independent!

    Our Patreon
    Jun 24, 2007
    United States
    Somewhere, over there!
    That's wishful thinking.
     
  9. Foxi4

    Foxi4 On the hunt...

    pip Reporter
    26
    Sep 13, 2009
    Poland
    Gaming Grotto
    Kids don't have income, they're given money by their parents. If their parents are okay with it, it's also none of your business.
     
    DarthDub likes this.
  10. TotalInsanity4

    TotalInsanity4 GBAtemp Supreme Overlord

    Member
    18
    Dec 1, 2014
    United States
    Under a rock
    What do you define as a "kid"? I've had a job where I make a predictable income since I was 14
     
  11. Foxi4

    Foxi4 On the hunt...

    pip Reporter
    26
    Sep 13, 2009
    Poland
    Gaming Grotto
    That's commendable. I'm sure you worked hard. Hard enough not to have some old farts sitting around the table telling you what you can and can't spend your money on. Last I checked, you did the work, not them.
     
    DarthDub likes this.
  12. TotalInsanity4

    TotalInsanity4 GBAtemp Supreme Overlord

    Member
    18
    Dec 1, 2014
    United States
    Under a rock
    Hilarious, but again you're downplaying the fact semi-random loot boxes like these are DESIGNED to be addictive. Obviously the iniial rounds are your choice, but let's not pretend that teenagers aren't stupid and inherently bad at devision-making
     
  13. Foxi4

    Foxi4 On the hunt...

    pip Reporter
    26
    Sep 13, 2009
    Poland
    Gaming Grotto
    You know you're at the brink of western civilisation's downfall when people are just clamoring to be less free. Kids very well might be bad at the decision-making and I'm quite happy seeing them making mistakes when they're kids and they can still learn from it than when they're adults and the stakes are much higher. You are shifting the burden of childrearing from the parents to the government, and I'm not okay with that. The government is not your dad, it's not your friend, it's a big pointing-guns-at-things machine. Your trust in their good judgement is not only misplaced, it's dangerous.
     
    DarthDub likes this.
  14. TotalInsanity4

    TotalInsanity4 GBAtemp Supreme Overlord

    Member
    18
    Dec 1, 2014
    United States
    Under a rock
    Oh good God if that's your position then we're done here
     
  15. Foxi4

    Foxi4 On the hunt...

    pip Reporter
    26
    Sep 13, 2009
    Poland
    Gaming Grotto
    Except it absolutely is. Government does not exist without the capacity for coercion, it has no power if it doesn't have the tools to enforce its will. It's armed to the teeth, which is why it should use coercion only when absolutely necessary. You can believe that it's there to wrap a blanket around you, but if you cross it, it doesn't send elves to your door, it sends armed enforcers. If it wasn't armed, it wouldn't be able to protect you, and you could argue that it only exists to protect you from external threat, which makes it a pointing-guns-at-things machine.
     
  16. SkittleDash

    SkittleDash Loading...

    Member
    4
    GBAtemp Patron
    SkittleDash is a Patron of GBAtemp and is helping us stay independent!

    Our Patreon
    Oct 21, 2015
    Japan
    Hope's Peak Academy
    ...I spy a typooooooo~! ;)
     
  17. FAST6191

    FAST6191 Techromancer

    pip Reporter
    19
    Nov 21, 2005
    United Kingdom
    I suppose we then have to figure out what harms are being done.
    If we start with the premise that it is causing harms then in this case 21 seems outrageously high an age, especially if we do a relative comparison to other potentially dangerous or at least seriously consequential things (driving, marriage, military type stuff, weapons, dealing with credit, various drugs) within the same legal system, some of those also being financial in nature. Never mind elsewhere in the world (I still find 21 being the legal age for booze to be mind boggling). The follow on consequences to that as far as people being able to make them, advertise them (I presume game devs/pubs don't just piss away the sorts of advertising budgets many games get just for fun or because they are feeling charitable to advertising companies) and such like also warrant some consideration -- the US quite famously having no other legal age enforcement on media and there being many hard fought cases to avoid it.

    Assuming said premise is true is rather strong from where I sit though and Foxi4's position of "maybe people should be allowed to make their own fuckups" is not without merit (indeed it would be a fundamental underpinning of most legal systems that get considered free). If there is an epidemic of some form (society wide or some notable group within it) then there might stand to be an enforced thing, however that would be the sort of thing someone has to qualify.

    On the matter of the rules at hand there were also discussions in previous threads on the differences between purely cosmetic, game altering equivalents* and pay to win. Should we resolve my age problems above, and also figure out the issues of parental responsibility, there may also be room for further nuance as far as having it be an opt in service or specialist version of the game, whether you can grind your way there (and the time investments required) and similar things. Straight banning of things is then often seen to be rather heavy handed, and I dare say history would also demonstrate that as well.

    *be it something equivalently powerful (maybe half damage, double speed fire from the existing two points sort of thing) or a totally different way to play (health restore gun or something).

    Equally you may have misread Foxi4 as one of the taxation = theft set where I very much doubt he would fall into that one. The reverse equivalent for you would be accusing you are being one of the "think of the children" set.

    From a practical aspect it is unlikely to bother me as you will never catch me paying for such things, and indeed if it is dropped then less distasteful systems may return. To that end I am mostly left with the debate on whether it is a justified removal of liberties, the other part being whether this age enforcement might be a back door of some form.
     
    TotalInsanity4 likes this.
  18. Anunnymous

    Anunnymous Advanced Member

    Newcomer
    3
    Oct 27, 2007
    United States
    You've obviously never had a gambling problem, or been a kid for that matter. Depending on the age and the maturity level, money doesn't have much value yet. Addiction is a real thing and it affects everyone differently, regardless of age. I appreciate that you're naive to the fact that kids will give up if they don't get what they want, but that's definitely the minority situation. (for most adults too) All it takes is for them to get something good just one time, or even hear that their friend got something good one time. Or in the case of Pay-to-Win games, all it would take is for someone to beat them and them get frustrated or for someones character to "look cooler" than their's. Plus, it's probably not really their money. They got it from somewhere. While I agree, they can spend it on whatever they want. You'd hope they spend it on something a little more responsible.
     
  19. KingVamp

    KingVamp Haaah-hahahaha!

    Member
    10
    Sep 13, 2009
    United States
    Netherworld
    The targeting of gambling addicted people and kids aside, I would think you would be up in arms and want companies to stop ruining games with more and more moneymaking schemes and actually just simply make good games again.

    Not to mention, you are acting like the government shouldn't put any restrictions and laws on anything people get their hands on, which is ridiculous.
     
    TotalInsanity4 likes this.
  20. Foxi4

    Foxi4 On the hunt...

    pip Reporter
    26
    Sep 13, 2009
    Poland
    Gaming Grotto
    Only reasonable restrictions in instances where there are externalities involved. You can't drive drunk because you're endangering others, nobody cares about whether you live or die. As for ruining games, markets are self-regulating - if people didn't want lootboxes ,they wouldn't buy them in droves. Stop protecting people from themselves, that's not your job.
     
Loading...
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice