Hacking Gateway 3DS - First 3DS flash card?!

[Redhorse]

According to Nintendo life

"...in the final stages of design. By going public, however, it opens up the likelihood of Nintendo taking whatever action it can to prevent the device spreading like the R4 cards. For its part, Nintendo has made clear that it will utilise system updates and the far more advanced online infrastructure of the 3DS — in comparison to the DS family of systems — to prevent the use of flashcards and brick offending systems"

I would say it's real enough... enough for someone to consider this a potential threat. But the top line says it all, What? to Give N more ammo to block it? Leave well enough alone, they'll figure it out if it's important enough to them.. I'm sure they (N) have paid code writers who are at least as good as the best on this site, otherwise they would not stay in business so long (NOTE: I said at least as good, not better).
This is why I personally fail to understand why anyone desiring to sell these would talk with anyone, prior to the moment of sale. Any 'review requests', or Bulk sales requests, offer cammo to hide within the real reqests, one or two Nintendo employees or lawyers (or some other villian) trying to stop it before it starts....

'Loose Lips Shink Ships'

 

[Vappy]

Does someone know how reliable p4rgaming.com is?

Not at all. They're a satire site.

 

[nitehack]

I guess that conversion of micro SD - ROM they do with a FPGA. Does mean that they know the communication protocol of 3DS cartridge?

 

[:-infern:]

"Not promoting piracy" when all their demos show ROMs being loaded. I find thag very hard to believe.

 

[ferret7463]

"Not promoting piracy" when all their demos show ROMs being loaded. I find thag very hard to believe.

In the same way as "A government that works for the people" They are just trying to cover their 6.

 

[Devin]

In the same way as "A government that works for the people" They are just trying to cover their 6.

"Not promoting piracy" when all their demos show ROMs being loaded. I find thag very hard to believe.

It is a satire website. As you can see with all this other "news".

http://www.p4rgaming.com/

 

[natkoden]

Steven Spielberg Still Unsure of What Halo Is


that confirms it

 

[mrSmiles]

well saw the news on pulse, going to be interesting.

may have to actually buy a 3ds when this card releases, may have a hard time finding this in stock at first though so i'll end up having to wait for a bit.

 

[MacDonalds]

sale of 3ds will go way up

 

[nukeboy95]

sale of 3ds will go way up

3rd party support will go down

 

[marksteele]

3rd party support will go down

Because we all know most third parties don't make shovelware

 

[natkoden]

Because we all know most third parties don't make shovelware

you can attribute sovelware to piracy

 

[ferret7463]

3rd party support will go down

This device will have as much effect on sales as a third party case holder. Most people are too lazy or stupid to try this.

 

[synce]

you can attribute sovelware to piracy

I attribute shovelware to people buying shovelware.

 

[natkoden]

I attribute shovelware to people buying shovelware.

this is kinda like "What came first, the chicken or the egg?", but I don't see someone buying shovelware prior to it's existence, lol

 

[vini9157]

3rd party support will go down

ds says hi

 

[2ndApex]

this is kinda like "What came first, the chicken or the egg?", but I don't see someone buying shovelware prior to it's existence, lol

Except they're still completely unrelated.

 

[NinSyeiko]

Wonder what Nintendo will say about this.

anything :v

nintendo games will still sell like hot bread

nintendo is nintendo, do you understand?

 

[Foxi4]

According to Nintendo life

"...in the final stages of design. By going public, however, it opens up the likelihood of Nintendo taking whatever action it can to prevent the device spreading like the R4 cards. For its part, Nintendo has made clear that it will utilise system updates and the far more advanced online infrastructure of the 3DS — in comparison to the DS family of systems — to prevent the use of flashcards and brick offending systems"

Okay, first of all, Nintendo cannot brick offending systems. In fact, the users would be entirely entitled to take legal action againts Nintendo if that was the case. If the user feels like putting a piece of soggy toast into their system, he or she is entirely entitled to do so because it's his or her system. The worst Nintendo can do is ban the offending user from using online features, and I'm not even sure if the 3DS's infrastructure supports such functionality - the DS certainly didn't and on the Wii you could only get banned on specific servers for specific games, not from WFC altogether.

As for preventing the device from spreading, this can be done in some countries, but we all know that flashcarts are not banned all around the world, just in a handful of countries. At the end of the day, a flashcart is just an adapter, an SD card is just rewritable storage. Owning either is not breaching any laws whatsoever - it's the act of pirating that's illegal and an owner of a flashcart isn't automatically a pirate.

I would say it's real enough... enough for someone to consider this a potential threat. But the top line says it all, What? to Give N more ammo to block it?

And here we bump into the question of "how?". If it's actually a cartridge emulator and does not use any system exploit at all, it cannot be blocked per-se unless Nintendo finds an abnormality of some kind in the data it feeds the system and uses that as a hook to detect flashcart use, and such an abnormality isn't necessarily there. It's not like a difference between burned and pressed discs - if there will be no difference at all in how the cartridge works, it's just undetectable and as such unblockable.

Leave well enough alone, they'll figure it out if it's important enough to them.. I'm sure they (N) have paid code writers who are at least as good as the best on this site, otherwise they would not stay in business so long (NOTE: I said at least as good, not better).

Every system Nintendo has ever created was hacked. Coders are always doing their best to prevent hackers from hacking a system but no protection is bulletproof.

This is why I personally fail to understand why anyone desiring to sell these would talk with anyone, prior to the moment of sale. Any 'review requests', or Bulk sales requests, offer cammo to hide within the real reqests, one or two Nintendo employees or lawyers (or some other villian) trying to stop it before it starts....

'Loose Lips Shink Ships'

Nintendo will get their hands on the cart anyways, prior to release or post-release - it makes very little difference. As for the "lawyers", I already touched upon this subject. It's just rewritable storage and an adapter - you can't feasably ban such a device world-wide. The movie industry tried with VHS recording, the game and movie industry tried with DVD burning, the music industry tried with CD burning and MP3 sharing but none succeeded because by themselves, those solutions are not infringing upon anything - it's the users that break the law using the devices in an illegal fashion.

nintendo games will still sell like hot bread

nintendo is nintendo, do you understand?

Nintendo isn't Mount Olympus and the people working in this company aren't Gods - the fact that they're "Nintendo" doesn't make their systems or games magically sell, which can be illustrated by the massive failure of the Virtual Boy, poor performance of the Nintendo 64 and the crushing defeat of the Gamecube.

 

[natkoden]

Okay, first of all, Nintendo cannot brick offending systems. In fact, the users would be entirely entitled to take legal action againts Nintendo if that was the case. If the user feels like putting a piece of soggy toast into their system, he or she is entirely entitled to do so because it's his or her system. The worst Nintendo can do is ban the offending user from using online features, and I'm not even sure if the 3DS's infrastructure supports such functionality - the DS certainly didn't and on the Wii you could only get banned on specific servers for specific games, not from WFC altogether.

As for preventing the device from spreading, this can be done in some countries, but we all know that flashcarts are not banned all around the world, just in a handful of countries. At the end of the day, a flashcart is just an adapter, an SD card is just rewritable storage. Owning either is not breaching any laws whatsoever - it's the act of pirating that's illegal and an owner of a flashcart isn't automatically a pirate.


And here we bump into the question of "how?". If it's actually a cartridge emulator and does not use any system exploit at all, it cannot be blocked per-se unless Nintendo finds an abnormality of some kind in the data it feeds the system and uses that as a hook to detect flashcart use, and such an abnormality isn't necessarily there. It's not like a difference between burned and pressed discs - if there will be no difference at all in how the cartridge works, it's just undetectable and as such unblockable.


Every system Nintendo has ever created was hacked. Coders are always doing their best to prevent hackers from hacking a system but no protection is bulletproof.

Nintendo will get their hands on the cart anyways, prior to release or post-release - it makes very little difference. As for the "lawyers", I already touched upon this subject. It's just rewritable storage and an adapter - you can't feasably ban such a device world-wide. The movie industry tried with VHS recording, the game and movie industry tried with DVD burning, the music industry tried with CD burning and MP3 sharing but none succeeded because by themselves, those solutions are not infringing upon anything - it's the users that break the law using the devices in an illegal fashion.

Tell that to Microsoft... didn't prevent them for banning thousands of users.