Homebrew Freeshop gets DMCA'd on Github...

[Lightyose]

That is the NEW Director of Nintendo. He could be in Japan, but who knows if he told NOA to research this stuff... He is serious now. (Maybe) It could be a GOOD thing. Because, if they are actually serious, they could make great consoles and games. Just like there is a downside, there should be a good side...

 

[LuxerWap]

You wish lmao.

Haha! True.

 

[Noroxus]

That is the NEW Director of Nintendo. He could be in Japan, but who knows if he told NOA to research this stuff... He is serious now. (Maybe) It could be a GOOD thing. Because, if they are actually serious, they could make great consoles and games. Just like there is a downside, there should be a good side...

This is a bit offtopic but I have a feeling the new director is focusing on the wrong things like their bad mobile gaming attempt (10$ for Super Mario Run like srsly) and focus on copyright protection etc instead of actually focusing on games ppl wanna see but thats just imo

I really hope Switch will be good...

/offtopic-end

 

[Lightyose]

This is a bit offtopic but I have a feeling the new director is focusing on the wrong things like their bad mobile gaming attempt (10$ for Super Mario Run like srsly) and focus on copyright protection etc instead of actually focusing on games ppl wanna see but thats just imo

I really hope Switch will be good...

/offtopic-end

I did say "maybe".

 

[Noroxus]

I did say "maybe".

overlooked the "maybe", my bad

 

[Thunder Hawk]

Actually, with all of the argument going on with fangames and piracy, I'm actually glad that Nintendo is finally taking action. Ever since the take down of that ROM site that use to have Nintendo games, Nintendo isn't playing around. Especially banning players online on Pokémon before release.

I'll bet $100, the Switch will be the most protected system of any other systems.

"Actually, with all of the argument going on with fangames and piracy, I'm actually glad that Nintendo is finally taking action."

Nintendo taking action against fan games that earn profits like that one mobile(?) game that may or may not still exist but I forget the name of it? Sure, I agree.
Nintendo taking action against fan games/rom hacks such as Prism, Uranium, etc? No. Why would you be glad about that?

"Ever since the take down of that ROM site that use to have Nintendo games" I don't know which one that is, sorry. But if they were hosting the content themselves instead of linking to those games via various dropbox/mega/etc links like those other sites, then I would understand Nintendo's reasons.

"Especially banning players online on Pokémon before release."

Everyone was banned if they went online, legit cart or not. The people who pirated them and thought playing online days before release was a good idea, those people made a big mistake. Iirc, The people who had the games early could appeal provided they have proof that they received the game before release.

"I'll bet $100, the Switch will be the most protected system of any other systems."

I'll like to see you send that $100 to the first person/group who cracks it.

Why did I was my time typing this?

 

[_Shebang]

The model data u can pull from the eShop CIA doesnt mention Nintendo at all if I recall correctly. So if the logo itself isnt somewhere in the US Copyright register they can say all they want its not copyrighted.
I'd have to check the banner data again tbh

It would take you about 4 seconds to search up how copyright works in the case of things you create:

In all countries where the Berne Convention standards apply, copyright is automatic, and need not be obtained through official registration with any government office. Once an idea has been reduced to tangible form, for example by securing it in a fixed medium (such as a drawing, sheet music, photograph, a videotape, or a computer file), the copyright holder is entitled to enforce his or her exclusive rights.

 

[Lightyose]

overlooked the "maybe", my bad

Don't worry, it happens to us all.

 

[LuxerWap]

"Actually, with all of the argument going on with fangames and piracy, I'm actually glad that Nintendo is finally taking action."

Nintendo taking action against fan games that earn profits like that one mobile(?) game that may or may not still exist but I forget the name of it? Sure, I agree.
Nintendo taking action against fan games/rom hacks such as Prism, Uranium, etc? No. Why would you be glad about that?

"Ever since the take down of that ROM site that use to have Nintendo games" I don't know which one that is, sorry. But if they were hosting the content themselves instead of linking to those games via various dropbox/mega/etc links like those other sites, then I would understand Nintendo's reasons.

"Especially banning players online on Pokémon before release."

Everyone was banned if they went online, legit cart or not. The people who pirated them and thought playing online days before release was a good idea, those people made a big mistake. Iirc, The people who had the games early could appeal provided they have proof that they received the game before release.

"I'll bet $100, the Switch will be the most protected system of any other systems."

I'll like to see you send that $100 to the first person/group who cracks it.

Why did I was my time typing this?

I have mixed feelings with fangames. I like some of them, but it does fell like your using Nintendo's IP without permission. That my tiny gripe about it. The negative side of fangames us just that there are so many I don't like because they were crappy. I really do not care if a fan game gets taken down. I still have Pokémon Prism.

It's CoolRom (dunno if I'm allowed to say that.)

If that was so, then why didn't Nintendo ban players with rewiew copies of Super Mario Maker 3DS for going online before release?

I didn't say that it wasn't gonna get cracked, just saying that it's gonna be the mist protective.

 

[SoraK05]

I have been out of it for some time, and didn't realize a software like this existed.
In the Wii days already, it was possible to make a software like NUSDownloader support custom ticket data and a list of shop titles, and make it simple to download a WAD and pack it directly from Nintendo's servers.

I think there is a reason it didn't happen. The reason is because people were aware of a discipline to not do it. There is some software which should generally not make it to the public, and even in private should be used within limitation.

Even though hacking allows one to be able to cheat in games, this should not be exploited for people to cheat online in games. It disturbs the entire peace of a public online infrastructure, and if one wants to cheat, one should think about doing it privately with friends (private server).

A software like this makes it very easy to pirate, and to the masses. I understand hacking days have changed and it is easier for 'laymen' to make software. I am coming from a place where I have witnessed companies attempt to stop piracy, and watched sceners and preservationists attempt to help support the legal ability to make 'backups' and 'preserve', and the benefits of hacking like 'usb loading of games instead of discs for longer use of hardware, and to load games faster' for example.
Companies know it is practically impossible to stop piracy and hacking, and in a world where even something like Denuvo has been hacked, it brings things ups.


This software easily allows masses to simply bombard Nintendo's own servers and download files. No public software (in the world) should allow one to simply just hook into Nintendo's or other companies servers and simply go at it.
When it comes to the general line regarding piracy / preservation (and what one does with their life circumstance), things of this nature are not supposed to be so easy to get. Sceners go through a lot to be able to distribute wads and isos, and these are generally supposed to be the only way people get material. It shouldn't be an insult to injury to have raw access to play around with Nintendo's servers and add load and costs onto them unnecessarily when wads and isos are an option.


Even if some things are not defined specifically, people should learn about 'discipline'. It is 'discipline' which will help the chain regarding hacking and sceners / preservationists, and people in their day to day lives as they should ideally look to 'wean' off piracy and not make it as easy as this.
All I can say is I can only recommend at a time like this, that people consider 'discipline', and that the community supports some software like this not generally existing (in the public for sure), for not disrupting flow. It means people like the modders of GBATemp not allowing this kind of software on the forum.

My 2 cents.

 

[Domino101]

since they too so long im guessing they started with the biggest threat first, cia angel is next, I hope not

 

[dubbz82]

I'll bet $100, the Switch will be the most protected system of any other systems.

You didn't watch any of 33c3 did you? They can't even work out how to protect boot Rom or how to properly use RSA. Switch will be no different.

 

[LuxerWap]

You didn't watch any of 33c3 did you? They can't even work out how to protect boot Rom or how to properly use RSA. Switch will be no different.

Honestly, no. What is 33c3?

 

[x65943]

I have been out of it for some time, and didn't realize a software like this existed.
In the Wii days already, it was possible to make a software like NUSDownloader support custom ticket data and a list of shop titles, and make it simple to download a WAD and pack it directly from Nintendo's servers.

I think there is a reason it didn't happen. The reason is because people were aware of a discipline to not do it. There is some software which should generally not make it to the public, and even in private should be used within limitation.

Even though hacking allows one to be able to cheat in games, this should not be exploited for people to cheat online in games. It disturbs the entire peace of a public online infrastructure, and if one wants to cheat, one should think about doing it privately with friends (private server).

A software like this makes it very easy to pirate, and to the masses. I understand hacking days have changed and it is easier for 'laymen' to make software. I am coming from a place where I have witnessed companies attempt to stop piracy, and watched sceners and preservationists attempt to help support the legal ability to make 'backups' and 'preserve', and the benefits of hacking like 'usb loading of games instead of discs for longer use of hardware, and to load games faster' for example.
Companies know it is practically impossible to stop piracy and hacking, and in a world where even something like Denuvo has been hacked, it brings things ups.


This software easily allows masses to simply bombard Nintendo's own servers and download files. No public software (in the world) should allow one to simply just hook into Nintendo's or other companies servers and simply go at it.
When it comes to the general line regarding piracy / preservation (and what one does with their life circumstance), things of this nature are not supposed to be so easy to get. Sceners go through a lot to be able to distribute wads and isos, and these are generally supposed to be the only way people get material. It shouldn't be an insult to injury to have raw access to play around with Nintendo's servers and add load and costs onto them unnecessarily when wads and isos are an option.


Even if some things are not defined specifically, people should learn about 'discipline'. It is 'discipline' which will help the chain regarding hacking and sceners / preservationists, and people in their day to day lives as they should ideally look to 'wean' off piracy and not make it as easy as this.
All I can say is I can only recommend at a time like this, that people consider 'discipline', and that the community supports some software like this not generally existing (in the public for sure), for not disrupting flow. It means people like the modders of GBATemp not allowing this kind of software on the forum.

My 2 cents.

I like a lot of your points, but the reason "freeshop" didn't happen on the wii is simply b/c Nintendo didn't offer most full retail titles on nus at the time. It had nothing to do with discipline. The wii scene was way larger than the 3ds scene has ever been, someone would have made it if s/he thought that it was worth it.

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Honestly, no. What is 33c3?

Hacker conference held every year. Last year smea presented.

https://gbatemp.net/threads/33c3-ha...ntendo-console-hacking-talk-scheduled.454547/

 

[Platinum Lucario]

I do have a feeling that the website containing all the 3DS title keys will receive a C&D notice from Nintendo, freeShop certainly won't be the last Homebrew app to be targeted, I can guarantee you that the Homebrew Launcher website will also receive a C&D notice from Nintendo, just because "it uses exploits that circumvent hardware protection and security measures and creates a loophole for piracy to be created". Enterprises can either be very nice, or very nasty when it comes to protecting their IP, and the enterprises will get away with it because it perfectly fits into the violations of copyright laws in any country, even the US.

There's nothing we can do to stop them, all we can do is defend ourselves. Anyone (such as myself) who really wants fan games and Homebrew to remain safe and to replace copyright law entirely with something completely fair and balanced, as well as a new type of entertainment economy where the government pays for the digital content instead of the consumer, should beg to the government or vote for candidates during elections that well and truly support ROM hacking, reverse engineering, fan games, free speech and copyright law removal to replace it with something fair and balanced. Copyright law is ancient and completely outdated, it was only useful back in the days long before PCs became available. Instead, politicians are trying to revive copyright law that never works in any way, shape or form and destroys the economy, imo.

You didn't watch any of 33c3 did you? They can't even work out how to protect boot Rom or how to properly use RSA. Switch will be no different.

Switch runs on a chip based off Nvidia Tegra X1. In other words, it's modified and will be very different from the original model of the Nvidia Tegra X1. And I wouldn't be surprised to know if it protects it's bootrom with a series of encryption keys. In fact, it probably won't even be called a "bootrom", it's more than likely it would be a series of startup sequences on different sections of the CPU. There were limitations on what developers could do using the 3DS CPU, because it was designed in that way at hardware level.

 

[Pandaxclone2]

Just throwing my 2 cents towards Nintendo's actions; I have no problem with Nintendo protecting their copyrights and trying to prevent piracy wherever it can. They're a company trying to prevent losses through piracy and I get that.

That being said however, it doesn't prevent me from laughing at their semi-hilarious attempts at times of preventing piracy/copyright infringement. Aside from that banner/logo stuff they basically have nothing else to nail freeshop for, not to mention that if they were truly trying to get full-blown serious with this you'd think they would be attacking other similar apps like CIAngel, but they don't or can't for whatever reason.

tl;dr I'll admit Nintendo has the right to prevent their property from being stolen but come on guys/girls, try a little harder than this. D- for effort, B+ for luck.

 

[SirByte]

Nintendo should concentrate on selling more Mini NES Classic devices and extra gamepads (none are available anywhere at MRSP). Then there's the Mini SNES and Mini N64 for 2017, the Mini GC and Mini FamicomDiskSystem for 2018, MiniWii and MiniWii_U for 2019 to coincide with better dirt-cheap-hardware being available during those years.

 

[x65943]

Nintendo should concentrate on selling more Mini NES Classic devices and extra gamepads (none are available anywhere at MRSP). Then there's the Mini SNES and Mini N64 for 2017, the Mini GC and Mini FamicomDiskSystem for 2018, MiniWii and MiniWii_U for 2019 to coincide with better dirt-cheap-hardware being available during those years.

Nintendo thinks their software is worth way more than it really is. They will never go beyond mini snes because they are not willing to part with 20-30 games for so cheap.

They will continue the virtual console scheme selling 20 year old games for $10 each.

 

[NightScript]

So, what I've been reading through, this is the problem:

Nintendo doesn't want to admit that FreeShop is strait out piracy so they used the logo as an excuse.
Then, my good pal @mariogamer uploaded it elsewhere.

So, what's the conversation going into now?

 

[Drakia]

I do have a feeling that the website containing all the 3DS title keys will receive a C&D notice from Nintendo

Fairly sure the developer of that site will disregard any such notice, and the server is hosted somewhere the DMCA can't touch it