Question Find a short to Ground on Nintendo Switch Motherboard

Discussion in 'Switch - Exploits, Custom Firmwares & Soft Mods' started by ZetShock, Jan 28, 2018.

  1. Pluupy

    Pluupy _(:3」∠)_

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    Just curious, but how does one go about fixing a shorted component (solder)? Also how would you identify and find that same component at a retailer to replace the bad component?
     
  2. Rauliki

    Rauliki GBAtemp Regular

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    Find Louis Rossmann channel on youtube.
     
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  3. FAST6191

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    While that is a great channel ( https://www.youtube.com/user/rossmanngroup/videos ) I am not sure it is quite a learning one if the person asking the question is like the one you quoted.
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    Shorted how is the next question.
    Some components will fail closed circuit and conduct far more than they did. This is less common than failing open circuit where things lose connection or conduct far less than they did.

    If it is shorted solder then first check that the components don't mind it -- many times a chip will have multiple pins going to ground or being grounded and some electronics designers will then common up said pins. No sense getting worried about a perfectly OK design decision.
    Anyway visual inspection, possibly with significant magnification (something like a mantis scope is the standard for people doing it for real but a more conventional microscope or even a jeweller's loupe will do in a pinch), is the first step.

    If it is not supposed to be shorted then the videos above take care of how to fix it as part of an install, works as well here.

    Do also check that the PCB came out OK -- they are made in various ways but often via chemicals which can fail to remove some part of the copper they are supposed to. It is also possible for it to remove too much but that is not short as much as open circuit.

    Identifying the component?
    They tend to have numbers on top.
    They might have part numbers or clues on the board in the silkscreen layer (all the usually white or black text you see on boards, does not have to mean anything but usually does).
    https://octopart.com/
    https://www.findchips.com/
    Some people will make diagrams of the device, nice manufacturers even release them for you (or may be legally compelled to release them in some cases).
    If you have a working one then you can compare it.
    There are parts identification devices these days too. Though for most you will have to desolder it to test.

    Equally if you know what you are doing as far as electronics you can predict what things should be, or at least what they are likely not.
    If we are to cover the basics then


    electronics companies
    Here is my list, most of these are the UK versions but they will have them in most places and might even redirect you there.
    http://www.scan.co.uk/
    http://www.sparkfun.com/
    http://www.ownta.com/
    http://proto-pic.co.uk/
    http://cpc.farnell.com/
    http://www.element14.com/community/index.jspa
    http://www.jaycar.co.uk/
    http://uk.mouser.com/Home.aspx
    http://www.rapidonline.com/
    http://www.anglia.com/product_search/product_search/index.asp
    http://uk.farnell.com/
    http://uk.rs-online.com/web/
    http://www.digikey.co.uk/
    http://uk.futureelectronics.com/en/Pages/index.aspx?OL=GB&Language=en-GB
    http://www.maplin.co.uk/
    http://www.pamir.com/
    http://bitsbox.co.uk/
    http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/st...splay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001
    http://octopart.com/
    http://www.findchips.com/
    http://ebluar.com/
    http://discoazul.co.uk/
    http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/index.php?cPath=50_74

    Many times if you find the failed component then you can change it for that and hopefully get something running again. Other times you might have to figure out what its functionality was and replicate that or exceed it. Indeed basic rule of troubleshooting is check voltages, second is check fuses and generally when looking at circuits you will tend to find people break it down into its functions -- this is the power supply section, this is the input, this is the driver, this is some other output...
    Other times still you will want to have some serious electronics knowledge (there is a reason it is considered a profession) but don't get too hung up on that.
     
  4. LineoftheDead

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    Just an update for OP. the board I had mentioned (3 volts being pushed to a 1.8v rail) wound up having a direct path to the CPU/GPU chip (not sure what these are actually called). I scraped the trace off of the board to verify this was the shorts location (along with the help of schematic & boardview). Fuck acer

    so yeah, as I mentioned before, if its only taking 1.8 volts, dont increase the voltage
     
  5. ZetShock
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    Alright so finally an update again:

    I ended up determining that the processor itself most likely had the short by tracing to the point with lowest resistance between the 1.8v and ground rail using a precise multimeter. The resistance became lowest (I believe it went down to 0.4 Ohms) when measuring a resistor on the back side of the pcb, right where the cpu is on the other side. Desoldering these components near the are showed that I still had a short circuit, and all surrounding components were not the fault as I got a higher resistance to ground from the 1.8v rail on them. Judging by that either the CPU was faulty or a trace got messed up internally. Again, schematics would be great but we will probably never see any for consoles like these. Since I only had the switch for troubleshooting and because it was not mine, I dont really care too much about it.
    I suppose this thread can be used for discussion now.

    By the way, for people that still remember; my personal Switch that I fixed by heating the pcb up (and possibly reflowing the cpu) is still doing great, I wonder if it is a temporary or permanent fix though, but so far no issues!
     
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