Homebrew ds cart emulation possability?
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It's possible. We have made great strides with emunand and unsigned code and have a much better understanding of the system. The Arm9 processor has DIRECT access to the sd card. I believe that with a modified TWL FIRM it can be done. It may be less efficient than reading from the cart, but the 3ds arm9 is faster than the dsi arm9, underclocked in TWL firm for compatibility reasons.
The 3ds has many resources that do very little in Ds mode, I'm sure a way to compensate for sd card reading can be found.
TLDR: it can be done.
The 3ds has many resources that do very little in Ds mode, I'm sure a way to compensate for sd card reading can be found.
TLDR: it can be done.
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Bull. It's just pointless to do it.
Even if I wanted to spend that much money, I've never even seen it in stock anywhere. Jelly... I'm rocking a 290x. Can't afford Nvidia products
What? It doesn't have to emulate anything. It boots into a DS firmware that runs on the arm9. It IS running of of its hardware. A DS needs to load a firmware too, you know...
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It's a cycle that will never end. It's most likely possible, but no one's working on it as they'll just say, "get a flashcart, it's fucking cheap", as an excuse. Which is true, but just imagine how cool/convenient it would be to be able to play DS roms without a flashcart.Bull. It's just pointless to do it.
Even if I wanted to spend that much money, I've never even seen it in stock anywhere. Jelly... I'm rocking a 290x. Can't afford Nvidia products
What? It doesn't have to emulate anything. It boots into a DS firmware that runs on the arm9.
Bull. It's just pointless to do it.
Even if I wanted to spend that much money, I've never even seen it in stock anywhere. Jelly... I'm rocking a 290x. Can't afford Nvidia products
What? It doesn't have to emulate anything. It boots into a DS firmware that runs on the arm9. It IS running of of its hardware. A DS needs to load a firmware too, you know...
Why don't you re read what I said.... I said THAT IS WHY it boots to a ds mode, so ut can use the DS hardware and not emulate, because it can't.
You can make an emulator to run on DS hardware but you are never going to get game to run at full speed with no issues. I guess if you want to play DS games at 5 fps with no sound if that's your thing.
If it could emulate the DS reliably then Nintendo would cut that hardware out to save costs.
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Yeah. While I don't exactly hate piracy (admit it, we've all pirated something in our lives), I hate having to PAY for piracy. The kills the point, doesn't it? I always get mad at my dad for paying for pirated cable television.
Anyways, something like this would benefit the end user. Flashcarts can still exist, they'd be useful for people on sysNAND 10.4/10.5, just like Sky3DS. But, if you have a CFW, you get the benefit of not needing any sort of flashcart.
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As long as it's free though right?
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I sort of agree but it depends on the situation when paying for piracy. For instance some systems like nes,snes, sega genesis, and even some handhelds like sega game gear, no choice but to buy a flash cart for those for piracy.
People are acting like it will kill them to spend a little money to get what they want, in this case, free ds games. If there was the option for ds games installed on the 3ds then yeah, but otherwise it would just make everything much easier just to get the flashcart.
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I did read what you said. You're just wrong. You dont quite get what emulation is. They use the hardware for other things (bunch of security functions for one) already. It just happens to be directly compatible with NDS, so they were kind enough to give us a way to take advantage of it. That is NOT emulation. That is simply running software.
And apparently you are not getting the what I am saying. So let me spell it out.
The. 3DS. Boots. In. To. Ds. Mode. So. It DOES. NOT. Have. To. Emulate. The. Ds. For. Backwards. Compatability. Because. It. Can. Not. Do. So. reliably.
I never said it was emulating and that was exactly my point. IT'S NOT EMULATING.
Using the hardware that was designed for it is not emulating and that's what DS mode does.
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It's understandable for those older systems you mentioned, but it doesn't really make sense. It made sense during the DS and (maybe even) DSI days, not so much now though. As some have mentioned, (if you're on 9.2 at least) you access to a lot of things within the 3DS, I don't know what exactly (I literally know nothing about how hax, etc work), but apparently people are saying it's possible if people actually care.
Oh yeah, I understand. $10-$20 isn't a lot. Hell, I have a few flashcarts of my own. I'd prefer to cut the middleman though. Just imagine how cool it'd be to see your DS games on your 3DS home screen.
They included the hardware to maintain compatability with the massively successful Ds. They decided to not let it sit there useless in 3ds mode by finding other uses for it. Like a security processor with many features you do NOT want on a security processor.
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Saying it can't is stupid, whether you need to or not. If you really wanted to bother, an HLE could be written to directly load .nds roms in 3ds mode and it could, in fact, be PERFECT (for the simple fact that running arm9 code on an arm11 is trivial if you know how to handle allignment).
All VC is wrapped in an emulator. That's why you can inject roms into them.
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So to be able to programming arm9 code and arm11 code to run DS on 3DS, what is level of programming skill & understanding required?
I meant not DS Emulation but to exploit the DS compatibility hardware within the 3DS
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It was an example. Snes, NES, etc... All emulated. Most GBA stuff can't be seen in the store, but it is there. I can go to the redownloadable software section and download it (I legitimately own all ambassador games).
Look. I know it won't be done. But that should be the only answer. Saying it CAN'T is just false.
@tivu100 you need complete understanding of both arm9 and arm11. There *are* issues with code allignment between the two, but you can configure the arm11 to handle things like the arm9. That's where HLE comes in. So you also need to know how to write a high level emulator.
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Recommendation used to be a DsTwo, but 3ds mode emulators have come far enough that pretty much any r4 clone (provided it's supported on the 3ds) will suffice at this point.
i believe the gba stuff runs on the arm7 proc, without emulation.
https://www.3dbrew.org/wiki/ARM7_Registers
Mann that 970 must take up so much desk space, I will TOTALLY take it off your hands for you, I'll even pay shipping ^.^, it's a great deal!
Ontopic: I feel like DS emulation is one of those "nice to have but not really needed" kinda things. I mean 60% of the people on here probably already have a flashcart from back in the day and another 30% have gateway (blue card is a DS flashcart) so very few people are probably in the OPs situation.
offtopic(again): Is it flashcart or flashcard? I've seen both terms used and I've never figured it out lol
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