Do we need 32 bit OSs anymore?

what do you use

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With Ubuntu saying that it will drop 32bit images and then changing they minds and saying they support some select packages and what not because of WINE and steam.

imo the decision to drop 32 bit was a good move. why maintain something which is used by almost nobody any more. put effort and time into 64 bit.

imo Microsoft should drop 32 bit too.


what are your thoughts?

I haven't taken the plunge into the rabbithole that is running Steam Proton yet, but why would it require a 32-bit image? Windows 10 is, last I checked, only in 64-bit, and Steam runs perfectly fine for yours truly on there.

While I know there are other players in the Linux space when it comes to distros, it'd be pretty bad if the biggest, most popular distro's support for one of the biggest digital distribution platforms (regardless of what you think of their policies when it comes to paying devs when, IMHO, devs and publishers should try to work within their means, but what do I know) was dropped and the community was left to pick up the broken pieces everywhere.

I think there should be some support for legacy software/hardware out there in some form or fashion because you never know if you're gonna need it as some posts have gone into detail with in this thread! It says a lot when people are building older PC's for these kinds of games just to be able to play them again without having to deal with software problems. Kind of like people wanting to have the original systems and keeping them around for preservation's sake.
 

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Although the majority of home computers now-a-days have 64 bit processor, 32 bit operating systems still hold a place in this world. Amongst the majority of the older machines that are still running that are IMMENSELY vital to sustaining the world's cogs but are old enough to be 32 and hell, sometimes even 16 bit with the case of the United States' armed branches as an example, there are also still times where 32 bit operating systems are just the better solution. 64 bit operating systems tend to be bulkier, and while that works on a home setup of 6+ GBs of RAM, that might not work out for a simple, 2 GB machine that has a slow processor and slower hard drive.

On top of that, there's also nothing or a very limited variety of commodities akin to WoW64, a Windows on Windows "VM" of sorts(it's not really a VM) that supports 32 bit software on their 64 bit operating systems, akin to WoW32(if that even exists, I know their 32 bit operating system STILL support 16 bit programs and I assume it's through a similar method to how their 64 bit operating systems support 32 bit programs.) The thing is, Linux and MANY other operating systems simply do not have this luxury, and thus are restricted to their respective programs. This means that if you got rid of the 32 bit Linux builds or what have you, you get rid of all that 32 bit software that might be decades old without any sort of replacement.

Finally, the VM argument. This is idiotic on so many levels, but I'm not as into Linux as I am Windows, so I can't say very much on a technical standpoint, other than the hardware might be too slow to support this, and according to a friend who knows more about Linux than me, the audio is extremely tricky to work with. This all makes Linux gaming basically impossible because of the amount of 32 bit games, as well as a few other things with CPU intensive programs that might run fine on bare bones hardware but not so much in a VM.

In conclusion:Throwing away 32 bit OSes entirely is a bad idea. Even if you had a WoW64-like option on your respective operating system, allowing you to run the software you definitely throw in the trash normally(see Windows XP Itanium-64, which doesn't have WoW64 and is a horrible nightmare to get through) upon moving to a 64 bit OS, the hardware might not be up to speed to handle it.

Edit 1:For some ungodly 2:56 AM mind bending reason, I called WoW64 WoW32, and thus have corrected it.
 
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64-bit Linux will still support 32-bit apps and games... It's the 32-bit OS they're axing. Not 32-bit applications altogether. Use your brains guys. Those will just be phased out and replaced by their 64-bit counterparts slowly over time.
 

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64-bit Linux will still support 32-bit apps and games... It's the 32-bit OS they're axing. Not 32-bit applications altogether. Use your brains guys. Those will just be phased out and replaced by their 64-bit counterparts slowly over time.
No, they're axing 32-bit applications too. 64-bit Linux does not have any way to run 32-bit applications. This is why a large majority are making such a big stink about it on the Linux end.
Edit:It appears I am mistaken, as such a thing does exist. It is called Multilib. I am not a Linux user, which explains my lack of knowledge here. However, it does not come with most distributions and you're SOL if you don't know that it exists and don't go actively looking for it.
 
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many low end tablets, laptops and 2-in-1s use 32 bit because it uses less storage, i only have 32GB on mine so i'm forced to use x86 on my acer tablet

why they always cheap out on storage is absolutely beyond me, the CPU is capable of x64 but they put bare minimum for some unknown reason, wasn't like this in 2006-2011 when you'd get like 200gb on a really super cheapo netbook
 
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many low end tablets, laptops and 2-in-1s use 32 bit because it uses less storage, i only have 32GB on mine so i'm forced to use x86 on my acer tablet

why they always cheap out on storage is absolutely beyond me, the CPU is capable of x64 but they put bare minimum for some unknown reason, wasn't like this in 2006-2011 when you'd get like 200gb on a really super cheapo netbook
In my opinion, netbooks should have stuck with mSATA SSDs.
 

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many low end tablets, laptops and 2-in-1s use 32 bit because it uses less storage, i only have 32GB on mine so i'm forced to use x86 on my acer tablet

why they always cheap out on storage is absolutely beyond me, the CPU is capable of x64 but they put bare minimum for some unknown reason, wasn't like this in 2006-2011 when you'd get like 200gb on a really super cheapo netbook

When I looked it up in the past, it's not possible to load 64bit OSs on allot of the cheap tablets because they use a 32bit UEFI (at least the ones I've looked into).

A reason given was a bug or something.
 

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If you want to run 16 bit applications and games then 32 windows is needed. Most will run them in virtual machines....
 

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I haven't taken the plunge into the rabbithole that is running Steam Proton yet, but why would it require a 32-bit image? Windows 10 is, last I checked, only in 64-bit, and Steam runs perfectly fine for yours truly on there.
Then you haven't looked hard enough. Windows 10 is available in both 64bit and 32 bit versions and the 64bit version also supports 32bit applications while the 32bit version also supports 16bit applications.
 

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Valve just needs to make a 64-bit Steam client. Kind of pathetic they haven't yet.
There is one for macOS but you have it's not the "default" and you have to download it from someplace other than the typical Steam download page. It's likely it'll come to other operating systems later, though.

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64-bit Linux will still support 32-bit apps and games... It's the 32-bit OS they're axing. Not 32-bit applications altogether. Use your brains guys. Those will just be phased out and replaced by their 64-bit counterparts slowly over time.

No, Ubuntu originally stated they were dropping support for 32-bit app packages (by dropping support of 32-bit libs) as well. They backpedaled and said they would support SELECT 32-bit app packages, but this was after the negative reception.
Other Linux distros can continue to support these libs, of course, but Ubuntu was the one Steam chose to primarily support, which is why a lot of Linux Steam users are upset. I moved to Manjaro following the initial announcement.
 
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There is one for macOS but you have it's not the "default" and you have to download it from someplace other than the typical Steam download page. It's likely it'll come to other operating systems later, though.
It is the default download now, though last time I checked, existing versions don't upgrade the initial process to 64-bit.
 
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