Hacking DIOS MIOS (not DML) is back?

[Foxi4]

Do some research on Class types of SD Cards. You would be surprised on what turns up . Lol I can record a video right now of Star Fox Assault, Super Smash Bros Melee, and a few others running at full speed, no audio slow down what so ever. If your SD Card is not formatted to the highest amount of clusters, I suggest doing that. It helps a lot.

Try Sonic Gems Collection, Super Mario Sunshine and other games that actually use sound streaming and you'll see what I'm talking about.

 

[Shano56]

No need to go accusing people of being a "noob" or annoying. I didn't notice the quote that crediar said compatibility would be the same as DML. I've personally never heard of anyone loading Wii titles from their SD card... and you say you bought your "class 4" sd card for $15 new well I bought the same size thumb drive for the same price new. Personally I prefer USB because of the greater storage capcity and quicker read/write speeds. I understand you are perfectly content with your sd card, thats great. Works for some people like you. Others not. Besides, if you only care about loading from SD (DML) why do you bother posting to this thread about USB loading, just to shoot down anyone saying they will probably have better luck spending their money on USB storage than SD storage - obviously your opinion is biased.

 

[crwys]

Do some research on Class types of SD Cards. You would be surprised on what turns up . Lol I can record a video right now of Star Fox Assault, Super Smash Bros Melee, and a few others running at full speed, no audio slow down what so ever. If your SD Card is not formatted to the highest amount of clusters, I suggest doing that. It helps a lot.

Try Sonic Gems Collection, Super Mario Sunshine and other games that actually use sound streaming and you'll see what I'm talking about.

I don't own those games so I can't test them.
Even if you are right the whole point of this was if a SD Card or a USB Device was a better choice.
In this case an SD Card would be the better choice. We don't know when or even if DM will be released. But right now we do have DML.
And if you are buying a USB Drive you are much better off buying a bigger size one than 32gb such as 500 or so.

@Shano56
And as for you once again for the 3rd, 5th or whatever time in a row, you are wrong.
Check here
http://www.amazon.co...b+micro+sd+card
Even cheaper now on amazon 4 to 8 bucks.
I have a 2.5tb USB External drive and a few SD Cards.
My opinion is not based on what is better.
Its based on people saying what is better (such as your self) saying one thing is better than another.
Like you just said "I am perfectly content with my sd card that works great. Works for some people like you. Others not."
This is what I have been saying the whole time and you started off arguing against it.

Sure a USB Device for the Wii may be better in every way than an SD Card (Besides that it can't load GC Games) as in Speed and Size amount (and costing maybe a little bit more).
But the point is, people will buy what is more convenient to them.
For example those who share their SD Card with their camera, computer, and so forth.
Everyones set up is different and will own different storage devices based on what they own and how they can be used.

 

[Gaiaknight]

i have played mario sunshine from start to finish using DML 1.3 only using a class 4 sd card and it ran at full speed just like how i remember it being on the gamecube

 

[Foxi4]

I don't own those games so I can't test them.
Even if you are right the whole point of this was if a SD Card or a USB Device was a better choice.
In this case an SD Card would be the better choice. We don't know when or even if DM will be released. But right now we do have DML.
And if you are buying a USB Drive you are much better off buying a bigger size one than 32gb such as 500 or so.

Okay... how do I put it bluntly for you...

Let's assume that the speed is the same (it's not, but for the sake of the argument) and that the compatibility, as mentioned by the creator, is the same aswell.

Wii takes SDHC cards, which are restricted to 32 gigs max. HDD's don't have that restriction, assuming that you'll be using FAT32, the only restriction you have is the 4 gigs per file, which is not a problem as all Gamecube games are under that size due to the medium used. So.

A clean Gamecube image is about 1,6 gigs big. Let's use clean ones in our calculations.

32/1,6 = 20
HDD = Whatever size you want = However many games you want.

HDD wins. Flawless Victory.

So yes, if you don't like swapping mediums, which is the very idea behind loading games from mediums other than discs, the HDD is the natural choice due to capacity alone.

 

[crwys]

I don't own those games so I can't test them.
Even if you are right the whole point of this was if a SD Card or a USB Device was a better choice.
In this case an SD Card would be the better choice. We don't know when or even if DM will be released. But right now we do have DML.
And if you are buying a USB Drive you are much better off buying a bigger size one than 32gb such as 500 or so.

Okay... how do I put it bluntly for you...

Let's assume that the speed is the same (it's not, but for the sake of the argument) and that the compatibility, as mentioned by the creator, is the same aswell.

Wii takes SDHC cards, which are restricted to 32 gigs max. HDD's don't have that restriction, assuming that you'll be using FAT32, the only restriction you have is the 4 gigs per file, which is not a problem as all Gamecube games are under that size due to the medium used. So.

A clean Gamecube image is about 1,6 gigs big. Let's use clean ones in our calculations.

32/1,6 = 20
HDD = Whatever size you want = However many games you want.

HDD wins. Flawless Victory.

So yes, if you don't like swapping mediums, which is the very idea behind loading games from mediums other than discs, the HDD is the natural choice due to capacity alone.

Nice try but this is only the case for people that actually own and play 20gc games lol.
In my case, I don't. I only have 8gc games and only like 4 I play occasionally.
The only time you would need a USB over SD is if you had a game that was too slow to keep up with the audio and in my case the SD Card has no problems with the games I load.
So I wouldn't need a USB Device.
So once again its back down to user preference if they need a USB or SD device.

i have played mario sunshine from start to finish using DML 1.3 only using a class 4 sd card and it ran at full speed just like how i remember it being on the gamecube

AH HA. Thank you!
Now that is flawless victory. Lulz

 

[Foxi4]

Nice try but this is only the case for people that actually own and play 20gc games lol.
In my case, I don't. I only have 8gc games and only like 4 I play occasionally.
The only time you would need a USB over SD is if you had a game that was too slow to keep up with the audio and in my case the SD Card has no problems with the games I load.
So I wouldn't need a USB Device.
So once again its back down to user preference if they need a USB or SD device.

I, me, I, I, me, me, me. Crediar's not programming this for you only, it's for all the potential users.

Don't get me wrong now, I'm not doing this to bash you for having a different opinion, but the general opinion is that USB loading is better. This is why WBFS was deprecated by FAT32 - to load homebrew off the drive. This is why SD loading was put on the side track in favour of the USB port for loading Wii games - to load them faster and better. This is what people want.

Not you, not me - people in general.

I'll be honest with you, a year or two back I had a whooping +/- 200 games on my DS, 250+ gigs of Wii games on my HDD. Do you really think that I would limit myself to a maximum of 20 if I didn't have to? Of course I wouldn't because it's convenient not to have to worry about this.

 

[crwys]

Nice try but this is only the case for people that actually own and play 20gc games lol.
In my case, I don't. I only have 8gc games and only like 4 I play occasionally.
The only time you would need a USB over SD is if you had a game that was too slow to keep up with the audio and in my case the SD Card has no problems with the games I load.
So I wouldn't need a USB Device.
So once again its back down to user preference if they need a USB or SD device.

I, me, I, I, me, me, me. Crediar's not programming this for you only, it's for all the potential users.

Don't get me wrong now, I'm not doing this to bash you for having a different opinion, but the general opinion is that USB loading is better. This is why WBFS was deprecated by FAT32 - to load homebrew off the drive. This is why SD loading was put on the side track in favour of the USB port for loading Wii games - to load them faster and better. This is what people want.

Not you, not me - people in general.


I'll be honest with you, a year or two back I had a whooping +/- 200 games on my DS, 250+ gigs of Wii games on my HDD. Do you really think that I would limit myself to a maximum of 20 if I didn't have to? Of course I wouldn't because it's convenient not to have to worry about this.

Thats cute how you completely changed the subject after you realized how wrong you are.
"I, me, I, I, me, me, me"
Damn right, I, me, I, I, me, me, me.
Its because this whole point was about user preference.
I can't speak for anyone else and I am giving an example of MY self.
And we are not talking about Wii games we are talking GC games. You completely changed the subject because you were caught in the wrong.
GC Games are not being made any more so chances are you aren't going to have 20+ GC games in the future if you only own like 8 now.
And I never said Crediar was programming it for me so don't even try and put words in my mouth.
My posts have I and ME in it because I and giving examples about ME. MY user preference pertaining to this whole argument on what would be better to use an SD Card or USB Device.
Even if Crediar released DM. I still wouldn't use it because DML already works just fine with probably just as fast loading speeds. I noticed they were about the same in the Star Fox Assault Youtube video since those are one of the games I play. We are talking milliseconds here, which don't matter.

You have anything to say about this?

i have played mario sunshine from start to finish using DML 1.3 only using a class 4 sd card and it ran at full speed just like how i remember it being on the gamecube

 

[Foxi4]

Thats cute how you completely changed the subject after you realized how wrong you are.

Point out where was I wrong. Where? Where is the fatal mistake that I made?

You just fail to intake the very idea that USB loading is superior than SD loading in every way imaginable. Dios Mios was originally intended for USB use, it's the technical difficulties that made it a SD loader. This conversation is over, you're like an stubborn donkey going all "eyore!" whenever I'm giving you counter arguments.

[yt]fqs9DYisSsg[/yt]

You have anything to say about this?

i have played mario sunshine from start to finish using DML 1.3 only using a class 4 sd card and it ran at full speed just like how i remember it being on the gamecube

He must've had a really sh*tty Gamecube or that's one godlike SD or he's just talking out of his a*s. I don't know and I don't particularily care.

 

[crwys]

Thats cute how you completely changed the subject after you realized how wrong you are.

Point out where was I wrong. Where? Where is the fatal mistake that I made?

You just fail to intake the very idea that USB loading is superior than SD loading in every way imaginable. Dios Mios was originally intended for USB use, it's the technical difficulties that made it a SD loader. This conversation is over, you're like an stubborn donkey going all "eyore!" whenever I'm giving you counter arguments.

Oh I will get to that in a second.
And actually DML already loads one game just as fast as DM (as shown in the video) so in my case its not superior and every way imaginable.
And here are the points where you are wrong which you have ignored twice now which is quite funny.

Try Sonic Gems Collection, Super Mario Sunshine and other games that actually use sound streaming and you'll see what I'm talking about.

i have played mario sunshine from start to finish using DML 1.3 only using a class 4 sd card and it ran at full speed just like how i remember it being on the gamecube

I have a class 8 SD which is far faster than your class 4

This is all assumption.

All in all, USB > SD anytime

This is also false because it depends on user preference.
I don't need a USB for DM since the games I own load just as fast and play with no problems on DML from my SD Card.
(This is comparing the loading speeds from Crediar's Star Fox Assualt video to my Star Fox Assault being loaded from DML)
So you are wrong here as well because if there are other people in my same situation, All in all, it is not USB > SD anytime.

And I am sure there are some other few things I can point out but there is a start for you.

Oh and btw check http://gbatemp.net/topic/326225-dios-mios-not-dml-is-back/page__view__findpost__p__4213989
That is not flawless victory.

He must've had a really sh*tty Gamecube or that's one godlike SD or he's just talking out of his a*s. I don't know and I don't particularily care.

What does owning a really shitty Gamecube have to do with anything? First off DML is for Wii, second how would a really shitty Gamecube improve a games loading speed.
No he has an SD that is formatted to the highest clusters and I have already told you to do this plenty of times.

 

[Gaiaknight]

Thats cute how you completely changed the subject after you realized how wrong you are.

Point out where was I wrong. Where? Where is the fatal mistake that I made?

You just fail to intake the very idea that USB loading is superior than SD loading in every way imaginable. Dios Mios was originally intended for USB use, it's the technical difficulties that made it a SD loader. This conversation is over, you're like an stubborn donkey going all "eyore!" whenever I'm giving you counter arguments.

[yt]fqs9DYisSsg[/yt]

You have anything to say about this?

i have played mario sunshine from start to finish using DML 1.3 only using a class 4 sd card and it ran at full speed just like how i remember it being on the gamecube

He must've had a really sh*tty Gamecube or that's one godlike SD or he's just talking out of his a*s. I don't know and I don't particularily care.

no i didnt have a shitty gamecube no out of the ordinary SD card but the speed difference between DML r59 and dml 1.3 is really big before i upgraded to dml 1.3 r59 took like 20 seconds between loading screen when you first boot up the game now with the same sd card and 1.3 its instant.

 

[ShinyLatios]

Hmm, aren't we going slightly off-topic here? this is for DIOS MIOS discussion, not to discuss whether you prefer USB or SD more...

Spoiler

besides USB > SD any day IMHO, for any argument already mentioned above me.

lol

 

[crwys]

Its nice to see Crediar working on DM again. I am just saying that I will never use it.
The games I own have no problems with DML.
I'm sure many others will use it though.
But if we are talking about a person buying a Wii just to play 5-10 gamecube games on it through SD or USB. Its not USB > SD Any Day. Its user preference, that is what this has been about.

 

[Foxi4]

Its nice to see Crediar working on DM again. I am just saying that I will never use it.
The games I own have no problems with DML.
I'm sure many others will use it though.
But if we are talking about a person buying a Wii just to play 5-10 gamecube games on it through SD or USB. Its not USB > SD Any Day. Its user preference, that is what this has been about.

Have Wii games, Gamecube games and all your homebrew on the HDD vs. Having the same stuff on a small SD.

C'mon. Size matters here, and SD's aren't the largest medium size-wise here. It's not necessary for you, but it's vital for others which is what I was getting at all along.

 

[crwys]

Its nice to see Crediar working on DM again. I am just saying that I will never use it.
The games I own have no problems with DML.
I'm sure many others will use it though.
But if we are talking about a person buying a Wii just to play 5-10 gamecube games on it through SD or USB. Its not USB > SD Any Day. Its user preference, that is what this has been about.

Have Wii games, Gamecube games and all your homebrew on the HDD vs. Having the same stuff on a small SD.

C'mon. Size matters here, and SD's aren't the largest medium size-wise here. It's not necessary for you, but it's vital for others which is what I was getting at all along.

Yea and what I was getting at is that it is all user preference.
You admit its not necessary for me, so that means its possible its not necessary for others as well.

 

[wiismodrome]

Have Wii games, Gamecube games and all your homebrew on the HDD vs. Having the same stuff on a small SD.

IMO, that is the big attraction of DIOS MIOS... all Wii/GC games plus other media (e.g. movies in WiiMC) available via USB HDD, with no need for messing around with limited capacity SD cards.

 

[Gaiaknight]

i agree having everything on one hdd is overall the best way to go especially sense i have 195 wii games and 75 gamecube games and all that would be impossible to fit on a sd card hell i already store all my gamecube games on my hdd and just transfer them to an sd card when i want to play one which is why im so excited for dios mios to be released that way i wont have to constantly copy and delete games when i want to play a different one

 

[crwys]

Have Wii games, Gamecube games and all your homebrew on the HDD vs. Having the same stuff on a small SD.

IMO, that is the big attraction of DIOS MIOS... all Wii/GC games plus other media (e.g. movies in WiiMC) available via USB HDD, with no need for messing around with limited capacity SD cards.

I can load my Wii games and my DML GC Games off the same USB Loader GX. There is no messing around there. Its all in the same place, on different storage devices.
I already owned a 16gb micro sd card that came with my phone and I bought a 32gb for it and put the 16gb in my Wii.
That is where the user preference comes in.

 

[pepxl]

Well all in all SD cards have advantages a USB does not and visa versa, you wouldn't carry a USB stick and cable for say an Android phone because it has higher capacity, you just wouldn't do it, were as you wouldn't spend money on 30 SD cards to put your wii related games, apps whatever on when a nice USB size drive will do for the price you spent on the cards in the first place.

Weird, yes i know but at the end of the day the user decides what they want to use for what situation they please, even if others disagree

 

[crwys]

Well all in all SD cards have advantages a USB does not and visa versa, you wouldn't carry a USB stick and cable for say an Android phone because it has higher capacity, you just wouldn't do it, were as you wouldn't spend money on 30 SD cards to put your wii related games, apps whatever on when a nice USB size drive will do for the price you spent on the cards in the first place.

Weird, yes i know but at the end of the day the user decides what they want to use for what situation they please, even if others disagree

Probably a much better explanation of how I tried to explain it.
And yes, exactly.