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Have 3.4E, boot2v3 (with bootmii), black screen issues, and YUV (or whatever you call it) cables.
GC disc: Green then Black screen
Wii disc: No video signal.

Tried with r34. (every r21+ doesn't work)

PAL Wii from 2008, using real NAND.
 
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Just to get it out there, I'm having great compatibility with r26 still. All subsequent versions after that still resulted in games booting, but they tend to freeze. Sometimes it's a black screen after the splash screens are shown, and sometimes it's just a freeze a few seconds into gameplay.

Still can't get NMM to work either. Keeps saying a bunch of card functions aren't found along with unknown commands. Not sure if I done something wrong when compiling or if it's a problem with the code.

I'm using a PAL Black Wii, real nand, 4.2E.
 

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Ok, it looks like it's the boot2 version afterall. Somebody with boot2v2 or 3 and system menu 4.3 around?
 

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Status update:
The black screen issue is tracked down to 1 line of code:
//val &= ~0x04;

If this is uncommented, the games display something, but get read errors. It's expected to get read errors if this line is just uncommented, because the async reads can't work this way.

Anyways, this might be related to some different software setup. I'd like to know what:
1. System menu
2. Actual boot2 version(not the BootMii boot2 version, and if BootMii boot2 is installed at all does not matter)
people have who have or not have the black screen issue.

I got system menu 3.2E, boot2v2(or maybe 3) and i got the black screen issue.

If somebody updated to 4.2 or 4.3 via online update, or if the wii came with 4.2 or 4.3, then the Wii has boot2v4, if not it's boot2v2 or 3.

Ok, it looks like it's the boot2 version afterall. Somebody with boot2v2 or 3 and system menu 4.3 around?


I have the black screen issue..
Boot2v3(with BootMii), SM4.3E(Custom Theme)

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Update: I updated Boot2v3 -> Boot2v4 and changed my SM4.3E back to orginal. Still black screen issue (r30).
 

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I have boot2v2 and 4.3E. To update boot2 I have to download the wad with NUSD and just install it with wad manager?
 

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my first wii 4,1e boot2v2 - r21 is ok, r21+ is black screen
my second wii 4.3e boot2v4 - no black screen at all
 

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Ok, somebody willing to update his boot2 to confirm this to 100%?
I updated Boot2v3 -> Boot2v4 and changed my SM4.3E back to orginal from a themed one. Still black screen issue (r30 and PostLoader 3.60.3).

Hmm, that's really odd, from the 10 reports it really looked like this is the relevant difference. Can you boot a retail GC game from the disc channel and try again? If that doesn't change it, i'm clueless.
 

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Ok, somebody willing to update his boot2 to confirm this to 100%?
I updated Boot2v3 -> Boot2v4 and changed my SM4.3E back to orginal from a themed one. Still black screen issue (r30 and PostLoader 3.60.3).

Hmm, that's really odd, from the 10 reports it really looked like this is the relevant difference. Can you boot a retail GC game from the disc channel and try again? If that doesn't change it, i'm clueless.
Darn now I have to go get some of my moving boxes to find a retail gc game (a lot of boxes). Maybe someone else can try it otherwise I will try it later The boxes is in a storage place. Never mind found one with the rest of the Wii games.


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Update:
Tested with r30 and retail Mario Kart from Disc Channel, doesn't work, same black screen issue. :blink:
Also tested with r21 (know it worked before but just to be sure) and this works with disc channel)

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Update2:
Tested with r34 and retail Mario Kart from Disc Channel, works. But from SD still Black screen with Zelda Four Sword (Pal)
 

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MY FIRST WII WITH BLACK SCREEN

sysCheck v2.1.0b16 von Double_A und R2-D2199
...laeuft auf dem IOS58 (rev 6176).

Region: PAL
Systemmenue 4.1E (v450)
Priiloader installiert
Laufwerksdatum: 13.02.2007
Homebrewkanal 1.0.8 benutzt IOS58
Hollywood v0x11
Konsolen-ID: xxxxxxxx
Boot2 v2
Es wurden 244 Titel gefunden.
Es wurden 49 IOS gefunden, von denen 6 funktionslos (Stub) sind.

IOS4 (rev 65280): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS9 (rev 1034): Trucha Bug
IOS10 (rev 768): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS11 (rev 256, Info: rev 10): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, Flash Zugriff, NAND Zugriff
IOS12 (rev 526): Trucha Bug
IOS13 (rev 1032): Trucha Bug
IOS14 (rev 1032): Trucha Bug
IOS15 (rev 1032): Trucha Bug
IOS16 (rev 512): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS17 (rev 1032): Trucha Bug
IOS20 (rev 256, Info: rev 12): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, Flash Zugriff, NAND Zugriff
IOS21 (rev 1039): Trucha Bug
IOS22 (rev 1294): Trucha Bug
IOS28 (rev 1807): Trucha Bug
IOS30 (rev 2816, Info: rev 2576): ES Identify, Flash Zugriff
IOS31 (rev 3608): Trucha Bug
IOS33 (rev 3608): Trucha Bug
IOS34 (rev 3608): Trucha Bug
IOS35 (rev 3608): Trucha Bug
IOS36 (rev 3608): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Zugriff
IOS37 (rev 5663): Trucha Bug
IOS38 (rev 4124): Trucha Bug
IOS40 (rev 3072): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS41 (rev 3607): Keine Patches
IOS43 (rev 3607): Keine Patches
IOS45 (rev 3607): Keine Patches
IOS46 (rev 3607): Keine Patches
IOS48 (rev 4124): Keine Patches
IOS50 (rev 5120): Trucha Bug
IOS51 (rev 4864): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS52 (rev 5888): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS53 (rev 5663): Trucha Bug
IOS55 (rev 5663): Trucha Bug
IOS56 (rev 5662): Trucha Bug
IOS57 (rev 5919): Trucha Bug
IOS58 (rev 6176): USB 2.0
IOS60 (rev 6400): Trucha Bug
IOS61 (rev 5662): Keine Patches
IOS70 (rev 6912): Trucha Bug
IOS80 (rev 6944): Trucha Bug
IOS202[60] (rev 65535, Info: Hermes-v55.1): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS222[38] (rev 65535, Info: hermes-v5.1): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS223[37] (rev 65535, Info: Hermes-v55.1): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS224[57] (rev 65535, Info: hermes-v5.1): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS247[57] (rev 20, Info: rev 20): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS249[56] (rev 21007, Info: d2x-v7): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS250[57] (rev 65535, Info: d2x-v7): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS251[56] (rev 20, Info: rev 20): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS254 (rev 65281): BootMii
BC v6
MIOS v10

MY SECOND WII WITHOUT BLACK SCREEN

sysCheck v2.1.0b16 von Double_A und R2-D2199
...laeuft auf dem IOS58 (rev 6176).

Region: PAL
Systemmenue 4.3E (v514)
Priiloader installiert
Laufwerksdatum: 14.07.2008
Homebrewkanal 1.0.8 benutzt IOS58
Hollywood v0x11
Konsolen-ID: xxxxxxxx
Boot2 v4
Es wurden 74 Titel gefunden.
Es wurden 48 IOS gefunden, von denen 10 funktionslos (Stub) sind.

IOS3 (rev 65280): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS4 (rev 65280): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS9 (rev 1034): Keine Patches
IOS10 (rev 768): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS11 (rev 256): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS12 (rev 526): Keine Patches
IOS13 (rev 1032): Keine Patches
IOS14 (rev 1032): Keine Patches
IOS15 (rev 1032): Keine Patches
IOS16 (rev 512): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS17 (rev 1032): Keine Patches
IOS20 (rev 256): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS21 (rev 1039): Keine Patches
IOS22 (rev 1294): Keine Patches
IOS28 (rev 1807): Keine Patches
IOS30 (rev 2816): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS31 (rev 3608): Keine Patches
IOS33 (rev 3608): Keine Patches
IOS34 (rev 3608): Keine Patches
IOS35 (rev 3608): Keine Patches
IOS36 (rev 3608): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Zugriff
IOS37 (rev 5663): Keine Patches
IOS38 (rev 4124): Keine Patches
IOS40 (rev 3072): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS41 (rev 3607): Keine Patches
IOS43 (rev 3607): Keine Patches
IOS45 (rev 3607): Keine Patches
IOS46 (rev 3607): Keine Patches
IOS48 (rev 4124): Keine Patches
IOS50 (rev 5120, Info: rev 4889): Keine Patches
IOS51 (rev 4864): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS52 (rev 5888): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS53 (rev 5663): Keine Patches
IOS55 (rev 5663): Keine Patches
IOS56 (rev 5662): Keine Patches
IOS57 (rev 5919): Keine Patches
IOS58 (rev 6176): USB 2.0
IOS60 (rev 6400, Info: rev 6174): Keine Patches
IOS61 (rev 5662): Keine Patches
IOS70 (rev 6912, Info: rev 6687): Keine Patches
IOS80 (rev 6944): Trucha Bug
IOS202[60] (rev 65535, Info: Hermes-v55.1): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS222[38] (rev 65535, Info: Hermes-v55.1): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS223[37] (rev 65535, Info: Hermes-v55.1): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS224[57] (rev 65535, Info: Hermes-v55.1): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS249[56] (rev 21006, Info: d2x-v6): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS250[57] (rev 65535, Info: d2x-v6): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS254 (rev 65281): BootMii
BC v6
MIOS v10
 

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MY FIRST WII WITH BLACK SCREEN
Code:
sysCheck v2.1.0b16 von Double_A und R2-D2199	  
...laeuft auf dem IOS58 (rev 6176).

Region: PAL
Systemmenue 4.1E (v450)
Priiloader installiert
Laufwerksdatum: 13.02.2007
Homebrewkanal 1.0.8 benutzt IOS58
Hollywood v0x11
Konsolen-ID: xxxxxxxx
Boot2 v2
Es wurden 244 Titel gefunden.
Es wurden 49 IOS gefunden, von denen 6 funktionslos (Stub) sind.

IOS4 (rev 65280): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS9 (rev 1034): Trucha Bug
IOS10 (rev 768): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS11 (rev 256, Info: rev 10): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, Flash Zugriff, NAND Zugriff
IOS12 (rev 526): Trucha Bug
IOS13 (rev 1032): Trucha Bug
IOS14 (rev 1032): Trucha Bug
IOS15 (rev 1032): Trucha Bug
IOS16 (rev 512): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS17 (rev 1032): Trucha Bug
IOS20 (rev 256, Info: rev 12): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, Flash Zugriff, NAND Zugriff
IOS21 (rev 1039): Trucha Bug
IOS22 (rev 1294): Trucha Bug
IOS28 (rev 1807): Trucha Bug
IOS30 (rev 2816, Info: rev 2576): ES Identify, Flash Zugriff
IOS31 (rev 3608): Trucha Bug
IOS33 (rev 3608): Trucha Bug
IOS34 (rev 3608): Trucha Bug
IOS35 (rev 3608): Trucha Bug
IOS36 (rev 3608): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Zugriff
IOS37 (rev 5663): Trucha Bug
IOS38 (rev 4124): Trucha Bug
IOS40 (rev 3072): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS41 (rev 3607): Keine Patches
IOS43 (rev 3607): Keine Patches
IOS45 (rev 3607): Keine Patches
IOS46 (rev 3607): Keine Patches
IOS48 (rev 4124): Keine Patches
IOS50 (rev 5120): Trucha Bug
IOS51 (rev 4864): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS52 (rev 5888): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS53 (rev 5663): Trucha Bug
IOS55 (rev 5663): Trucha Bug
IOS56 (rev 5662): Trucha Bug
IOS57 (rev 5919): Trucha Bug
IOS58 (rev 6176): USB 2.0
IOS60 (rev 6400): Trucha Bug
IOS61 (rev 5662): Keine Patches
IOS70 (rev 6912): Trucha Bug
IOS80 (rev 6944): Trucha Bug
IOS202[60] (rev 65535, Info: Hermes-v55.1): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS222[38] (rev 65535, Info: hermes-v5.1): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS223[37] (rev 65535, Info: Hermes-v55.1): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS224[57] (rev 65535, Info: hermes-v5.1): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS247[57] (rev 20, Info: rev 20): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS249[56] (rev 21007, Info: d2x-v7): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS250[57] (rev 65535, Info: d2x-v7): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS251[56] (rev 20, Info: rev 20): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS254 (rev 65281): BootMii
BC v6
MIOS v10

MY SECOND WII WITHOUT BLACK SCREEN
Code:
sysCheck v2.1.0b16 von Double_A und R2-D2199
...laeuft auf dem IOS58 (rev 6176).

Region: PAL
Systemmenue 4.3E (v514)
Priiloader installiert
Laufwerksdatum: 14.07.2008
Homebrewkanal 1.0.8 benutzt IOS58
Hollywood v0x11
Konsolen-ID: xxxxxxxx
Boot2 v4
Es wurden 74 Titel gefunden.
Es wurden 48 IOS gefunden, von denen 10 funktionslos (Stub) sind.

IOS3 (rev 65280): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS4 (rev 65280): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS9 (rev 1034): Keine Patches
IOS10 (rev 768): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS11 (rev 256): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS12 (rev 526): Keine Patches
IOS13 (rev 1032): Keine Patches
IOS14 (rev 1032): Keine Patches
IOS15 (rev 1032): Keine Patches
IOS16 (rev 512): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS17 (rev 1032): Keine Patches
IOS20 (rev 256): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS21 (rev 1039): Keine Patches
IOS22 (rev 1294): Keine Patches
IOS28 (rev 1807): Keine Patches
IOS30 (rev 2816): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS31 (rev 3608): Keine Patches
IOS33 (rev 3608): Keine Patches
IOS34 (rev 3608): Keine Patches
IOS35 (rev 3608): Keine Patches
IOS36 (rev 3608): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Zugriff
IOS37 (rev 5663): Keine Patches
IOS38 (rev 4124): Keine Patches
IOS40 (rev 3072): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS41 (rev 3607): Keine Patches
IOS43 (rev 3607): Keine Patches
IOS45 (rev 3607): Keine Patches
IOS46 (rev 3607): Keine Patches
IOS48 (rev 4124): Keine Patches
IOS50 (rev 5120, Info: rev 4889): Keine Patches
IOS51 (rev 4864): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS52 (rev 5888): Funktionslos (Stub)
IOS53 (rev 5663): Keine Patches
IOS55 (rev 5663): Keine Patches
IOS56 (rev 5662): Keine Patches
IOS57 (rev 5919): Keine Patches
IOS58 (rev 6176): USB 2.0
IOS60 (rev 6400, Info: rev 6174): Keine Patches
IOS61 (rev 5662): Keine Patches
IOS70 (rev 6912, Info: rev 6687): Keine Patches
IOS80 (rev 6944): Trucha Bug
IOS202[60] (rev 65535, Info: Hermes-v55.1): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS222[38] (rev 65535, Info: Hermes-v55.1): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS223[37] (rev 65535, Info: Hermes-v55.1): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS224[57] (rev 65535, Info: Hermes-v55.1): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS249[56] (rev 21006, Info: d2x-v6): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS250[57] (rev 65535, Info: d2x-v6): Trucha Bug, NAND Zugriff, USB 2.0
IOS254 (rev 65281): BootMii
BC v6
MIOS v10
@[member='mistre']
Please use the "spoiler" function if you have that much of text. (and "code" function for the logs)

By the way, here is my sysCheck log (DML r34)(I'm having the black screen issue with games from SD, retail games from disc channel works though)
Code:
sysCheck v2.1.0b17 by Double_A and R2-D2199
...runs on IOS58 (rev 6176).

Region: PAL
System Menu 4.3E (v514)
Priiloader installed
Drive date: 2007.02.13
Homebrew Channel 1.0.8 running on IOS58
Hollywood v0x11
Console ID: xxxxxxxx
Boot2 v4
Found 296 titles.
Found 53 IOS on this console. 4 of them are stub.

IOS4 (rev 65280): Stub
IOS9 (rev 1034): No Patches
IOS10 (rev 768): Stub
IOS11 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug, NAND Access
IOS12 (rev 526): No Patches
IOS13 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS14 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS15 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS16 (rev 512): Stub
IOS17 (rev 1032): No Patches
IOS20 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug, NAND Access
IOS21 (rev 1039): No Patches
IOS22 (rev 1294): No Patches
IOS28 (rev 1807): No Patches
IOS30 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug, NAND Access
IOS31 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS33 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS34 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS35 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS36 (rev 3608): No Patches
IOS37 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS38 (rev 4124): No Patches
IOS40 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug, NAND Access
IOS41 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS43 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS45 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS46 (rev 3607): No Patches
IOS48 (rev 4124): No Patches
IOS50 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug, NAND Access
IOS51 (rev 4864): Stub
IOS52 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug, NAND Access
IOS53 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS55 (rev 5663): No Patches
IOS56 (rev 5662): No Patches
IOS57 (rev 5919): No Patches
IOS58 (rev 6176): USB 2.0
IOS60 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug, NAND Access
IOS61 (rev 5662): No Patches
IOS70 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug, NAND Access
IOS80 (rev 16174): Trucha Bug, NAND Access
IOS202[60] (rev 65535, Info: hermesrodries-v6): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS222[38] (rev 65535, Info: hermesrodries-v6): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS223[37] (rev 65535, Info: hermesrodries-v6): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS224[57] (rev 65535, Info: hermesrodries-v6): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS236[36] (rev 65535, Info: rev 3351): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Access
IOS240[56] (rev 21008, Info: d2x-v8beta(r41)): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS245[38] (rev 17, Info: waninkoko-v17): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS246[58] (rev 21008, Info: d2x-v8beta(r41)): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS247[38] (rev 21008, Info: d2x-v8beta(r41)): Trucha Bug, ES Identify, NAND Access
IOS248[37] (rev 21008, Info: d2x-v8beta(r41)): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS249[56] (rev 21008, Info: d2x-v8beta(r41)): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS250[57] (rev 21008, Info: d2x-v8beta(r41)): Trucha Bug, NAND Access, USB 2.0
IOS254 (rev 65281): BootMii
BC v6
MIOS v10

Report generated on 2012/02/08.
 

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Does seem like it could be the boot2 version interfering, but I'm not giving up my bootmii for DIOS MIOS. atleast not until the Wii U is out and hacked anyway...
 

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Hollywood v0x11.
Boot2 v3.
System Menu v481 (4.2U).
BC v6.
MIOS v10.

r21~r30 black screens
I really like to help testing but I cant access r31+


Edit:
some one PMed me r32 a few hours ago but since I am new, I discovered only by now.
Thank you guys and also FIX94 for r34

r32, r34 black screens

and sorry for "typo", r21 works, r21+ black screens
 

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hi IceIceBird,i'm sorry,i have forget this.i must only think on black screen and not black screen and will help was i can. :(
 

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Does seem like it could be the boot2 version interfering, but I'm not giving up my bootmii for DIOS MIOS. atleast not until the Wii U is out and hacked anyway...
Giving up bootmii?! You do know bootmii can be installed on boot2v4? It's the new boot1 on newer wii's that prevents bootmii as boot2.
 
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    It would be funny to pick up a girl in a real expensive car, then next date show up in a piece o shit car just to see her reaction. If she was real, it wouldn't matter.
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    Everyone is disposable and replaceable, lies and deception are the coin of the realm. I have never felt so alone and so at odds with the world.
  • K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2:
    I don't think we should see others as disposable just if they can show any glimps of care about humanity should be forgiven
  • Xdqwerty @ Xdqwerty:
    @BigOnYa, she would leave you inmediately
    +1
  • Psionic Roshambo @ Psionic Roshambo:
    For a time I considered creating a new big bang. Wipe the slate clean and start from scratch....
  • K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2:
    Your closest friend probably talks negative about you the most
    +1
  • Psionic Roshambo @ Psionic Roshambo:
    I know I talk shit about that Ken guy constantly lol
    +1
  • K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2:
    Yeah I just had to consile it's a age thing and I can get erect
    +1
  • BigOnYa @ BigOnYa:
    Right.. Take a number
  • SylverReZ @ SylverReZ:
    @BigOnYa, Binkinator is still around you guys. I just saw him in one of the Discord servers that I'm in.
    +1
  • K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2:
    People get more mad when they learn you aren't as dimwitted as they think
  • Xdqwerty @ Xdqwerty:
    @SylverReZ, that guy who was dissappeared?
  • Psionic Roshambo @ Psionic Roshambo:
    My favorite thing about that Ken, if they talk bad about others to you. They doing it to you too.
  • Psionic Roshambo @ Psionic Roshambo:
    Always remember that
  • K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2:
    More or less then they drop you and blame you when you find out
    K3Nv2 @ K3Nv2: More or less then they drop you and blame you when you find out