Hacking DIOS MIOS! GC ISO Loader proof of concept (Starfox Assault)

[WiiPower]

Bad news, read Crediar's post again, he said if it's released as open source then it will be GPL. I made the same mistake.

 

[robo989]

Seems ridiculous to me to not allow backups.

In fact it makes sense to only allow backups and not burnt discs. People make far too much money selling rare games and generally cashing in on their "collectable" items.

Nintendo\Developers generate zero income from Gamecube games now as they are not in production and not sold new at retail.

In my opinion there is nothing wrong at all playing a gamecube backup that you do not legally own for this reason. Nobody gains by you playing a genuine copy except people who own the copies who fancy making a quick buck. Nintendo certainly don't benefit in any way shape or form.

Or have I missed something?

 

[toejam316]

Bad news, read Crediar's post again, he said if it's released as open source then it will be GPL. I made the same mistake.

Any reason specifically as to why it was a mistake, and why you can't change the licensing on your additional code?

 

[WiiPower]

Bad news, read Crediar's post again, he said if it's released as open source then it will be GPL. I made the same mistake.

Any reason specifically as to why it was a mistake, and why you can't change the licensing on your additional code?

Same mistake because i also had in mind that it's "if it's released then under the confitions of the GPL". We will see that license he will use, and then we can speculate if he used GPL code and if it's a GPL violation or not. I do remember that there was a sneek release that was a GPL violation and was removed because of this.

 

[pro2oman]

Bad news, read Crediar's post again, he said if it's released as open source then it will be GPL. I made the same mistake.

Sorry wiipower beat me to it...

 

[WiiUBricker]

So there's no way a "piracy version" of DIOS MIOS will happen.

 

[Kayot]

Well if it were me and I wanted to implement some sort of anti-piracy method, I'd just use the hardware code as a key to encrypt the contents of the iso. I'd also put in 7z compression and a scrubber to shrink the iso as much as possible. I'd try to upgrade WBFS to accept GC games and support said encryption and compression nativity. A tall order but well worth it.

If people are going to pirate they will pirate. Riivolution is an example of anti-pirate measures. It was a pain patching the English patch into Fatal Frame 4 when Riivolution could do it easyer but I didn't have a copy. Mind you I was later happy that I did it as I didn't bother installing Riivolution on my Wii (Family wii has it.) However it's a pain patching NSMB levels as I test them out but I accept that as I don't want to borrow the game from my sister's (20mi drive) and don't want to buy another copy that will collect dust after I'm done with it. So Riivolution isn't useful for someone like myself.

As for this, if it works I do have a few original GC games I can dump with it. Unfortunately the Gamestop (the 3 around me anyway) and CD Record Exchange don't carry GC games anymore and the classics are hard to come by short of E-Bay if your lucky. I've read enough negative reviews for GameFly to last me a life time. So this is good for people with huge GC collections, very select GC collections, or people that have a few good games and access to friends who have huge GC collections, or very select GC collections.

We will see.

 

[Helsionium]

I honestly have no idea how this AP should be able to work.
He can't be using one of the Wii's keys, we all know them or at least are able to get them from our Wii.
He can't be using a key hardcoded in the binary - that would be plain stupid, even if obfuscated.
He can't be using an online authentication method - it would lock out all those without WiFi access on their Wii.

So what other options remain?
Regardless of how it is accomplished, if there really is a strict AP, it would just get reverse-engineered eventually. I think everyone in the Wii homebrew scene should know that by now.

 

[Kayot]

Shhh, let him release it first then we'll see about getting our GC iso's on it. If we find a way, woot. If not wode. I'm still in denial that this will work. I hope it does, but as time goes by I find myself becoming cynical in general about everything.

 

[lakaiskateboarding]

I absolutely have no problems with having the AP patches. I already have al the Gamecube games I wanted and you can get them pretty cheap nowadays.

Also, does the GC really have that many good titles that it is too expansive to buy them all? I don´t think it has.

 

[joybeba6679]

He can release this 10000000000000 times if he wants, if people that dont own GC games, yes from the dead console, and dont know anyone that does, cant use it, then he can play with it all he wants. This is just his way of showing us that it could be done, and for that you dont have to release something with restrictions, simple as that.

 

[Kayot]

True about the titles thing. I've only found a few that were any good. Wind Waker is Zelda and a must have. Not a fan of the 3D Mario games. Starfox is ok. Evolution is pretty good. Four Swords is also a classic. Zelda OoT, MQ, and MM are better as Wad Files and even better on my computer since I have a N64 to USB device. I mainly want this so I can put the games on the Wii. My server system is strong enough to emulate GC games at 60FPS through Dolphin. In a few more upgrades it'll probably be strong enough to emulate Wii games at full speed too.

 

[Bladeforce]

Well if it were me and I wanted to implement some sort of anti-piracy method, I'd just use the hardware code as a key to encrypt the contents of the iso. I'd also put in 7z compression and a scrubber to shrink the iso as much as possible. I'd try to upgrade WBFS to accept GC games and support said encryption and compression nativity. A tall order but well worth it.

If people are going to pirate they will pirate. Riivolution is an example of anti-pirate measures. It was a pain patching the English patch into Fatal Frame 4 when Riivolution could do it easyer but I didn't have a copy. Mind you I was later happy that I did it as I didn't bother installing Riivolution on my Wii (Family wii has it.) However it's a pain patching NSMB levels as I test them out but I accept that as I don't want to borrow the game from my sister's (20mi drive) and don't want to buy another copy that will collect dust after I'm done with it. So Riivolution isn't useful for someone like myself.

As for this, if it works I do have a few original GC games I can dump with it. Unfortunately the Gamestop (the 3 around me anyway) and CD Record Exchange don't carry GC games anymore and the classics are hard to come by short of E-Bay if your lucky. I've read enough negative reviews for GameFly to last me a life time. So this is good for people with huge GC collections, very select GC collections, or people that have a few good games and access to friends who have huge GC collections, or very select GC collections.

We will see.

Easy to bypass so wouldnt be worth the hassle of coding it

 

[thesund0g]

Shhh, let him release it first then we'll see about getting our GC iso's on it. If we find a way, woot. If not wode. I'm still in denial that this will work. I hope it does, but as time goes by I find myself becoming cynical in general about everything.

Welcome to adulthood.

 

[Kayot]

Yea, that's what I'm told anyway. Something about crushing student loan debt due to for-profit school that the government has no intentions of stopping while enforcing private loans with the same protections as government loans without the same rights.

Don't go to ITT it will ruin your life. All you'll get is a 50K hole in your pocket and a "You get out of it, what you put into it" BS mentality. Avoid any school that is nationally accredited. You want regional accreditation. There's a piece of good advice the school consolers wont give you.

Anyway, I became an adult a while back. My jaded outlook has taken root ever since ITT and has only grown the older I get. I can't do great things if the world wont let me. To sum it all up, things would have been better if I wouldn't of ever started using a computer. But I digress, hind-sight is 20/20 and there are no redo's. Let us just hope that my pessimism on this particular subject can be cured.

 

[OncleJulien]

histoire intéressante, frère.

 

[bugaveli]

and i thought i went off topic lol

 

[Kayot]

Sorry about that. I'll be good.

 

[panmusic]

Just a question and I apologize if this has been answered already.
Is it certain that DIOS MIOS will work with SNEEK or UNEEK only?

(As I don't know anything about nand emulation,I trully hope that a noble soul releases a detailed tutorial about DIOS MIOS when the right time comes...)

 

[Kayot]

Basically, it requires SNEEK.

A Q&A is here.

For all intents and purposes it's not really worth it. It requires of ton of over head, has several flaws including sound related issues, and isn't going to be overly developed. He's mainly releasing it to prove that it can be done.

It shorts out the MIOS so you can no longer play GC backups since it effectively replaces the MIOS. So far it seems he has no intention of ever putting support for it back in. So to play GC backups, you'd have to pull out the SD card and reboot the Wii with your currently patched MIOS to play GC backups from DVD assuming you have a drive that can read them.

A few quote of interest are:

DIOS-MIOS will NOT be opensource.

Interesting. Are the game dumps dumped with DIOS MIOS going to have some kind of security/anti-piracy signature that allows DIOS MIOS only to launch them?
Obviously, I'm sure you will understand that I won't share ANY details.

Is the only compatibility issue you've run into the audio streaming? Any ideas for workarounds apart from the 3 wire solder?
Yes, well there could be a VERY complicated software way but I don’t plan on doing that.

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And what's about people who's Wii DVD drive is broken?
Tough luck ...

So, if you can play your legitimate GC games now, you can play them via this. If not, you're out of luck as this doesn't help you one bit. Plus you probably can't dump them with another wii and have them work on yours since what every encryption he has in mind is to stop piracy. I can't see doing this if you have less then five games. SNEEK on the other hand looks good. I may use that one if it doesn't break the USB Loader or the GC backup loader.